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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 27 2014 02:01 GMT
#41
Here's my question for you guys.

Supposing you don't open Dshield on support and open one of the gold items instead, do you open gold item + 4 pots, or gold item + 2 pots + ward?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 27 2014 02:04 GMT
#42
depends on if I want to use my trinket ward for side brush (match up dependant)
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 02:06:35
February 27 2014 02:06 GMT
#43
On February 27 2014 10:00 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:55 wei2coolman wrote:
They should just change the Face of the Mountain active with Ohmwrecker, and remove Ohmwrecker as an item.


I think instead of FotM's active's damage component, make it slow surrounding unit until the shield breaks.

Or make the break a small knockback effect rather then damage. All enemies nearby get knocked back a few hundred units.


I have issues with hard CC on an item though. I think it is awfully unfair for certain champions with channel abilities, even if the CC is delayed. Also it might be anti-synergic when casted on a melee champion.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 27 2014 02:12 GMT
#44
On February 27 2014 11:01 Ketara wrote:
Here's my question for you guys.

Supposing you don't open Dshield on support and open one of the gold items instead, do you open gold item + 4 pots, or gold item + 2 pots + ward?

2pot ward.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
February 27 2014 02:18 GMT
#45
Man I hate the forgotten step child top lane.
Retvrn to Forvms
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
February 27 2014 02:19 GMT
#46
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
February 27 2014 02:20 GMT
#47
On February 27 2014 11:01 TeeTS wrote:
My 2 cents:
Kassadin nerfs are a joke. Nerf his CD and range on ult and you have a chance to find the right place for him. With a 3second CD Doubleflash (since it has way bigger range) he will never be in the spot were he is viable but not OP.

Doran´s Shield: Good for the botlane, now you might be able to start with a support item and not lose every trade. I will try out frostfang for sure! BUT bad for top/mid. Because it simply creates new imbalances there now. Champs with build in sustain like Renekton or Nasus will take this hit way easier than champs without that like Riven or Shyvana. It´s a terrible mistake to let this through without any compensation. Also midlane melee assassins like Katarina and Akali are just fucked by this.

Gragas "nerf": lol what a joke. "Hey guys look, we nerfed Gragas, he is fine now! really! We promise!" So this low CD ult AoE burst with the strong relocation effect and silly AP ratio got toned down by 10%? (only AP ratio though) How do you justify, that an Orianna Ult, which is way harder to land, has a 0.7 AP ratio and this still goes with 0.9 even after the nerfs?
And the Shockwave even has a weaker relocation that the cask.

Ryze: this will definately help him. For Ryze fans, this might be enough to be able to play him again. I still see a lot of other midlane picks above him though - he won´t be FotM after this. For toplane I don´t see any chance for him.

Yasuo´s Shield got Rivened. Well it´s a start and allows more counterplay I guess.

Terrify: bad just simply a really bad change. You can`t balance a game only after the fluff. Yes it´s more realistic that you run away from the one that feared you. But jeez this makes the ability just absolutely shitty.

Thing about top lane dshield is that it fucks up bully tops very hard. Blade is not really viable prepatch but starting blade on stuff Riven is viable as you can sustain with it + 2 ls quints. I would say shield change is a nerf to Mundo, Shyv, Nasus, Jax who have slow start ups. While things like Trundle, Renekton, Riven, Udyr its buff.

Ori has 3 damage spell Gragas has 2, shockwave also is way better cc wise in most cases.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
February 27 2014 02:21 GMT
#48
how can you not like the gragas nerf? much better to lessen an OP champs power slightly and see if that and possible meta changes are enough to bring them to a balanced state rather than going full olaf/urgot on every champ that is strong and sees a ton of play.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 27 2014 02:25 GMT
#49
It's a pretty large nerf to rank 1 Body Slam.

Changes its damage when Grag is level 3 from 144+50% AP to 109+50% AP.

I would have preferred a nerf to Grag Q than Grag R but I'll take what I can get.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2014 02:28 GMT
#50
On February 27 2014 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
stop playing lucian/caitlyn/etc and play vayne/twitch/draven/etc and you will see why ADs can carry. the ones that can rarely get pick in competitive games though.


I think a major issue for the carry ADCs is that, as long as your opponents aren't significantly worse than you a Draven/Lucian + Annie/Leona/Thresh will dump on your lane. Either you play safe and lose significant CS, play safe with a dumb support and lose CS + kills, or go ham and feed double kills.

For the Pros its obviously very true, and Draven is super risky for them to try to play because he will have Shyvana on his face.
Freeeeeeedom
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
February 27 2014 02:33 GMT
#51
On February 27 2014 11:25 Ketara wrote:
It's a pretty large nerf to rank 1 Body Slam.

Changes its damage when Grag is level 3 from 144+50% AP to 109+50% AP.

I would have preferred a nerf to Grag Q than Grag R but I'll take what I can get.


I'm pretty happy with the early game nerfs, now we won't have shenanigans like the level 1 Gragas E all-in Voyboy used to get FB on a Lulu on stream today. Granted she failed her flash and mispositioned to begin with, but that was still really stupid how much damage he did with just E and autos.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 27 2014 02:41 GMT
#52
On February 27 2014 11:28 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
stop playing lucian/caitlyn/etc and play vayne/twitch/draven/etc and you will see why ADs can carry. the ones that can rarely get pick in competitive games though.


I think a major issue for the carry ADCs is that, as long as your opponents aren't significantly worse than you a Draven/Lucian + Annie/Leona/Thresh will dump on your lane. Either you play safe and lose significant CS, play safe with a dumb support and lose CS + kills, or go ham and feed double kills.

For the Pros its obviously very true, and Draven is super risky for them to try to play because he will have Shyvana on his face.


its tough but you just gotta deal with it and ignore teammates, sometimes they will be too toxic to handle but oh well. 24-5 with twitch this season and I probably lost lane in 80% of those games. doesnt even matter since his teamfight is just eons ahead of most other ADs.
I come in for the scraps
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 27 2014 02:48 GMT
#53
On February 27 2014 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:28 cLutZ wrote:
On February 27 2014 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
stop playing lucian/caitlyn/etc and play vayne/twitch/draven/etc and you will see why ADs can carry. the ones that can rarely get pick in competitive games though.


I think a major issue for the carry ADCs is that, as long as your opponents aren't significantly worse than you a Draven/Lucian + Annie/Leona/Thresh will dump on your lane. Either you play safe and lose significant CS, play safe with a dumb support and lose CS + kills, or go ham and feed double kills.

For the Pros its obviously very true, and Draven is super risky for them to try to play because he will have Shyvana on his face.


its tough but you just gotta deal with it and ignore teammates, sometimes they will be too toxic to handle but oh well. 24-5 with twitch this season and I probably lost lane in 80% of those games. doesnt even matter since his teamfight is just eons ahead of most other ADs.

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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2014 03:09 GMT
#54
Meh. I tend to just pick Jinx now and it seems fairly good.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 27 2014 03:11 GMT
#55
I decided to go Noc only for ranked on my smurf. It'll be fun I hope!

MS quints so expensive though. QQ
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TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
February 27 2014 03:14 GMT
#56
On February 27 2014 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:28 cLutZ wrote:
On February 27 2014 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
stop playing lucian/caitlyn/etc and play vayne/twitch/draven/etc and you will see why ADs can carry. the ones that can rarely get pick in competitive games though.


I think a major issue for the carry ADCs is that, as long as your opponents aren't significantly worse than you a Draven/Lucian + Annie/Leona/Thresh will dump on your lane. Either you play safe and lose significant CS, play safe with a dumb support and lose CS + kills, or go ham and feed double kills.

For the Pros its obviously very true, and Draven is super risky for them to try to play because he will have Shyvana on his face.


its tough but you just gotta deal with it and ignore teammates, sometimes they will be too toxic to handle but oh well. 24-5 with twitch this season and I probably lost lane in 80% of those games. doesnt even matter since his teamfight is just eons ahead of most other ADs.


Interestingly enough, I've found the opposite way to success. I've played mostly Ashe and win the midgame hard by picking people off with ults. I don't think you have to rely on your other lanes winning so much when you're the one putting them ahead.

This said I'm also a big Twitch fan and haven't been having much success with him lately, so I should likely take this as a cue to reevaluate my playstyle.

Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
February 27 2014 03:15 GMT
#57
I wonder if Riot actually thinks Thresh is in a good place.

I mean it sure does seem that way considering he hasn't been touch in quite a while. On the other hand I find it hard to believe that anyone can take a look at his kit and numbers and go "mm yes, that seems quite reasonable.".

Also changes to fiddle seem quite interesting, at least from a support pov. The fear changes makes it so that if someone's diving on to you they will move away from you, which is generally what you want. It'll make it a mildly more reliable tool for peeling. It also means that if you manage to ult in behind someone you can force them towards your team. The drain changes also makes it outrange most ad carry autoattacks.

I mean it doesn't turn him into thresh, but it might put him closer to the tier behind thresh.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
February 27 2014 03:16 GMT
#58
On February 27 2014 12:11 Sufficiency wrote:
I decided to go Noc only for ranked on my smurf. It'll be fun I hope!

MS quints so expensive though. QQ

now that people are running away from you when feared isnt that big nerf?
VeryAverage
Profile Joined January 2011
United States424 Posts
February 27 2014 03:18 GMT
#59
Caitlyn is my favorite solo q ADC since she can somewhat peel for herself. Flash + net is a long ass escape, trap is good for awareness and the range is just so good for kiting. Love having some greedy Kha jump on me to only eat a net to the face and then get slapped down. I used to like Draven but every support seems to think ADC Draven = dive every 3 seconds regardless of what is going on.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 27 2014 03:21 GMT
#60
Velkroz looks amazing, by the way. Might be an RP buy.
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