EPTSupposing you don't open Dshield on support and open one of the gold items instead, do you open gold item + 4 pots, or gold item + 2 pots + ward?
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Supposing you don't open Dshield on support and open one of the gold items instead, do you open gold item + 4 pots, or gold item + 2 pots + ward? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 27 2014 10:00 killerdog wrote: Or make the break a small knockback effect rather then damage. All enemies nearby get knocked back a few hundred units. I have issues with hard CC on an item though. I think it is awfully unfair for certain champions with channel abilities, even if the CC is delayed. Also it might be anti-synergic when casted on a melee champion. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:01 Ketara wrote: Here's my question for you guys. Supposing you don't open Dshield on support and open one of the gold items instead, do you open gold item + 4 pots, or gold item + 2 pots + ward? 2pot ward. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:01 TeeTS wrote: My 2 cents: Kassadin nerfs are a joke. Nerf his CD and range on ult and you have a chance to find the right place for him. With a 3second CD Doubleflash (since it has way bigger range) he will never be in the spot were he is viable but not OP. Doran´s Shield: Good for the botlane, now you might be able to start with a support item and not lose every trade. I will try out frostfang for sure! BUT bad for top/mid. Because it simply creates new imbalances there now. Champs with build in sustain like Renekton or Nasus will take this hit way easier than champs without that like Riven or Shyvana. It´s a terrible mistake to let this through without any compensation. Also midlane melee assassins like Katarina and Akali are just fucked by this. Gragas "nerf": lol what a joke. "Hey guys look, we nerfed Gragas, he is fine now! really! We promise!" So this low CD ult AoE burst with the strong relocation effect and silly AP ratio got toned down by 10%? (only AP ratio though) How do you justify, that an Orianna Ult, which is way harder to land, has a 0.7 AP ratio and this still goes with 0.9 even after the nerfs? And the Shockwave even has a weaker relocation that the cask. Ryze: this will definately help him. For Ryze fans, this might be enough to be able to play him again. I still see a lot of other midlane picks above him though - he won´t be FotM after this. For toplane I don´t see any chance for him. Yasuo´s Shield got Rivened. Well it´s a start and allows more counterplay I guess. Terrify: bad just simply a really bad change. You can`t balance a game only after the fluff. Yes it´s more realistic that you run away from the one that feared you. But jeez this makes the ability just absolutely shitty. Thing about top lane dshield is that it fucks up bully tops very hard. Blade is not really viable prepatch but starting blade on stuff Riven is viable as you can sustain with it + 2 ls quints. I would say shield change is a nerf to Mundo, Shyv, Nasus, Jax who have slow start ups. While things like Trundle, Renekton, Riven, Udyr its buff. Ori has 3 damage spell Gragas has 2, shockwave also is way better cc wise in most cases. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Changes its damage when Grag is level 3 from 144+50% AP to 109+50% AP. I would have preferred a nerf to Grag Q than Grag R but I'll take what I can get. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 27 2014 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote: stop playing lucian/caitlyn/etc and play vayne/twitch/draven/etc and you will see why ADs can carry. the ones that can rarely get pick in competitive games though. I think a major issue for the carry ADCs is that, as long as your opponents aren't significantly worse than you a Draven/Lucian + Annie/Leona/Thresh will dump on your lane. Either you play safe and lose significant CS, play safe with a dumb support and lose CS + kills, or go ham and feed double kills. For the Pros its obviously very true, and Draven is super risky for them to try to play because he will have Shyvana on his face. | ||
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InfSunday
United States735 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:25 Ketara wrote: It's a pretty large nerf to rank 1 Body Slam. Changes its damage when Grag is level 3 from 144+50% AP to 109+50% AP. I would have preferred a nerf to Grag Q than Grag R but I'll take what I can get. I'm pretty happy with the early game nerfs, now we won't have shenanigans like the level 1 Gragas E all-in Voyboy used to get FB on a Lulu on stream today. Granted she failed her flash and mispositioned to begin with, but that was still really stupid how much damage he did with just E and autos. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:28 cLutZ wrote: I think a major issue for the carry ADCs is that, as long as your opponents aren't significantly worse than you a Draven/Lucian + Annie/Leona/Thresh will dump on your lane. Either you play safe and lose significant CS, play safe with a dumb support and lose CS + kills, or go ham and feed double kills. For the Pros its obviously very true, and Draven is super risky for them to try to play because he will have Shyvana on his face. its tough but you just gotta deal with it and ignore teammates, sometimes they will be too toxic to handle but oh well. 24-5 with twitch this season and I probably lost lane in 80% of those games. doesnt even matter since his teamfight is just eons ahead of most other ADs. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote: its tough but you just gotta deal with it and ignore teammates, sometimes they will be too toxic to handle but oh well. 24-5 with twitch this season and I probably lost lane in 80% of those games. doesnt even matter since his teamfight is just eons ahead of most other ADs. Dylan spitting the truth. In most cases with solo q, late game kits matter more than early game advantage. I think there are plenty of games where I stomp early with Sivir but still lose because of her lack of range and solo q team doesn't know how to make use of On The Hunt. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
MS quints so expensive though. QQ | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote: its tough but you just gotta deal with it and ignore teammates, sometimes they will be too toxic to handle but oh well. 24-5 with twitch this season and I probably lost lane in 80% of those games. doesnt even matter since his teamfight is just eons ahead of most other ADs. Interestingly enough, I've found the opposite way to success. I've played mostly Ashe and win the midgame hard by picking people off with ults. I don't think you have to rely on your other lanes winning so much when you're the one putting them ahead. This said I'm also a big Twitch fan and haven't been having much success with him lately, so I should likely take this as a cue to reevaluate my playstyle. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
I mean it sure does seem that way considering he hasn't been touch in quite a while. On the other hand I find it hard to believe that anyone can take a look at his kit and numbers and go "mm yes, that seems quite reasonable.". Also changes to fiddle seem quite interesting, at least from a support pov. The fear changes makes it so that if someone's diving on to you they will move away from you, which is generally what you want. It'll make it a mildly more reliable tool for peeling. It also means that if you manage to ult in behind someone you can force them towards your team. The drain changes also makes it outrange most ad carry autoattacks. I mean it doesn't turn him into thresh, but it might put him closer to the tier behind thresh. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On February 27 2014 12:11 Sufficiency wrote: I decided to go Noc only for ranked on my smurf. It'll be fun I hope! MS quints so expensive though. QQ now that people are running away from you when feared isnt that big nerf? | ||
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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