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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 04:54:17
February 27 2014 04:53 GMT
#81
Who is this C9T Lomonation guy?

EDIT: WELPPPP C9T's jungler just used Vi ult on a Lee with Banshee's...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 04:56:38
February 27 2014 04:55 GMT
#82
On February 27 2014 13:40 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 13:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Some of my thoughts on changes, posted from last thread.

Corki changes are super nice, BT first will probably be the best build for Corki now.

By super nice you mean irrelevant?

Corki Q still retardedly hard to land. Cd nerf on firing rockets still destroys Corki's dps. Unless they revert some of the last round of nerfs to Corki and/or buff his numbers to some absurd level he's still gonna suck.


Corki needs more changes to differentiate him from Lucian now IMO.

he's nothign like lucian. lucian's useful. corki isn't.

for real tho, corki's always been more about burst with q+r spam+triforce procs. he scales decently into endgame by virtue of being an ADC but also due to his nice armor shred and true damage. Riot completely removed his burst and midgame dueling potential by destroying his ult. Then crippled his laning by effectively removing his Q against any competent enemy. His lategame is and has always been somewhat sub-par compared to other AD carries due to his low range, limited mobility, and rather weak steroid (after passive nerfs), but that was fine since his early~mid game were really strong. Now he's got nothing.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 27 2014 04:57 GMT
#83
the meta hurts corki more then the nerfs, he is designed as a bruiser destroyer but bruisers are so incredibly strong right now that he would just get blown up. used to be able to sit there and gatling people but not anymore. pussy ADs are favored which is the opposite of what corki is
I come in for the scraps
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 27 2014 05:00 GMT
#84
oh great kassadin lost 40 dmg. now he is not gonna get banned anymore. good job riot
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
February 27 2014 05:01 GMT
#85
On February 27 2014 13:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
the meta hurts corki more then the nerfs, he is designed as a bruiser destroyer but bruisers are so incredibly strong right now that he would just get blown up. used to be able to sit there and gatling people but not anymore. pussy ADs are favored which is the opposite of what corki is

are you sure you mean more?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 27 2014 05:12 GMT
#86
On February 27 2014 14:00 oneofthem wrote:
oh great kassadin lost 40 dmg. now he is not gonna get banned anymore. good job riot

Yeah I dont really get what they are thinking. He still has everything that made him good. Increase ult cooldown by one second, increase stacks needed to E by one, decrease the slow% of E on initial levels. Those are the kind of changes that could make a difference, not this.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
February 27 2014 05:14 GMT
#87
I really hope ryze becomes competitive again (probably not though). Not sure why since I don't particularly enjoy playing him or think he's that exciting, but there's something cool about the mid range caster.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 27 2014 05:16 GMT
#88
Spirit Stone changes mean Udyr gonna be godly with Aoe now :0
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 05:17:27
February 27 2014 05:17 GMT
#89
On February 27 2014 14:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I really hope ryze becomes competitive again (probably not though). Not sure why since I don't particularly enjoy playing him or think he's that exciting, but there's something cool about the mid range caster.


You and me both friend. I think these buffs will help, but he still won't be very strong, frankly. Especially given all the champs running around mid/top now.

He can't match the damage/mobility of current mids, and he can't beat the sustain of the fotm tops.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 05:19:07
February 27 2014 05:18 GMT
#90
On February 27 2014 14:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 14:00 oneofthem wrote:
oh great kassadin lost 40 dmg. now he is not gonna get banned anymore. good job riot

Yeah I dont really get what they are thinking. He still has everything that made him good. Increase ult cooldown by one second, increase stacks needed to E by one, decrease the slow% of E on initial levels. Those are the kind of changes that could make a difference, not this.

He does have everything that made him good, but now he has a thing that makes him bad, too: lowish dmg

also, yaay skarner buffs
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 05:29:20
February 27 2014 05:18 GMT
#91
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 05:45:37
February 27 2014 05:31 GMT
#92
On February 27 2014 14:18 Scip wrote:
also, yaay skarner buffs


Needs moar imo.

The Q mana buff is a joke after Spirit Stone changes, have Blue until you get it anyway, and afterwards you literally gain mana from Q's regardless.

The Slow still only lasts 3 seconds, and has a huuge CD.

Changes nothing for Skarner.

JitB's got buffed hard though, in combination with Decieve's passive.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 27 2014 05:46 GMT
#93
Remember guys RobertXlee is a sub for XDG
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 27 2014 05:48 GMT
#94
i respect bubbadub for working hard to achieve his progaming dream but he's always gotten caught way too much and is generally not a very smart player.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 27 2014 05:51 GMT
#95
On February 27 2014 14:18 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 14:12 Shikyo wrote:
On February 27 2014 14:00 oneofthem wrote:
oh great kassadin lost 40 dmg. now he is not gonna get banned anymore. good job riot

Yeah I dont really get what they are thinking. He still has everything that made him good. Increase ult cooldown by one second, increase stacks needed to E by one, decrease the slow% of E on initial levels. Those are the kind of changes that could make a difference, not this.

He does have everything that made him good, but now he has a thing that makes him bad, too: lowish dmg

also, yaay skarner buffs

well dnno, the ap ratios are the same. It does hurt his earlygame but lategame is his territory anyway. I wouldn't mind if he wasn't permaban though, could pick up some freewins
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 05:57:14
February 27 2014 05:55 GMT
#96
On February 27 2014 14:51 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 14:18 Scip wrote:
On February 27 2014 14:12 Shikyo wrote:
On February 27 2014 14:00 oneofthem wrote:
oh great kassadin lost 40 dmg. now he is not gonna get banned anymore. good job riot

Yeah I dont really get what they are thinking. He still has everything that made him good. Increase ult cooldown by one second, increase stacks needed to E by one, decrease the slow% of E on initial levels. Those are the kind of changes that could make a difference, not this.

He does have everything that made him good, but now he has a thing that makes him bad, too: lowish dmg

also, yaay skarner buffs

well dnno, the ap ratios are the same. It does hurt his earlygame but lategame is his territory anyway. I wouldn't mind if he wasn't permaban though, could pick up some freewins


Does it hurt his early game?

The rank 1 damages are the same. It will reduce his damage by 5-10 starting at level 3-4, hooray.

What I want to see on Kassadin is a reduction in his rank 1 Q damage, which WAS in their proposed larger changes but they decided to give us this instead. I think this nerf is miniscule, personally.

Here's to hoping though.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 27 2014 05:57 GMT
#97
I think it's a hyperbole to say 40 base damage nerf does not hurt Kassadin at all.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 06:03:48
February 27 2014 05:58 GMT
#98
Wow Vasilli / Mor bot lane combined 1-16. RobertxLee 15-2 (his 3rd death came on a fountain dive).

I've been hesitant to overhype any team after Coast. LMQ has a lot of work if they want to compete with TSM/C9/CLG, and may even struggle against the lower tier LCS teams.

That said, LMQ has been great for the challenger scene. They obliterated the other teams at first, but now the other top challenger teams have greatly improved to be able to compete. Still some question decision making and map movement overall, but the skill level is improving overall.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 27 2014 06:13 GMT
#99
On February 27 2014 14:57 Sufficiency wrote:
I think it's a hyperbole to say 40 base damage nerf does not hurt Kassadin at all.

Remember even a 10 damage nerf means a champion is "gutted" so Kassadin will probably never be touched again.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
February 27 2014 06:13 GMT
#100
On February 27 2014 14:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 14:00 oneofthem wrote:
oh great kassadin lost 40 dmg. now he is not gonna get banned anymore. good job riot

Yeah I dont really get what they are thinking. He still has everything that made him good. Increase ult cooldown by one second, increase stacks needed to E by one, decrease the slow% of E on initial levels. Those are the kind of changes that could make a difference, not this.

They did quite clearly say in the notes that they are in the process of re-working him, and these nerfs are just to try and make him less domineering in the mean time.
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