• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:51
CEST 10:51
KST 17:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon106
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double Recent Patches and the Future Stellar Fest 1 Replay Pack Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] 2026 GSTL Grand Finals ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing [ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach Bot on ladder BW General Discussion PLAYzone Challenge - open offline tour in Prague
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7190 users

[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 20

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 133 Next
EU LCS Week 8 Review
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
February 28 2014 04:56 GMT
#381
So I decided to blow my IP on Hybrid Pen runes and some other crap. Basically at 0 IP now but I've got all the runes I might want for my primary roles and enough pages for them all, so from here on out I'll be spending IP on champs.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 04:58:00
February 28 2014 04:57 GMT
#382
Locodoco on Jaedong.

NSFW, kind of.

+ Show Spoiler +
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 05:20:24
February 28 2014 05:06 GMT
#383
As much as i have issues with Riots balancing can we talk about why the boot changes suck a hairy fat one?

Slot efficiency, wonky 5% cdr they don't know how to deal with, small nerfs to people that used mobility boots to roam (talon?) and whether people might buy swiftness now....etc

E:Actually i can't believe they have nerfed ranged supports again. Anyone that wants to be useful in ranked is grabbing shurelya's and reducing the mana on it, whilst small and likely inconsequential rubs me the wrong way.

Plus i haven't mathed it but will ruby crystal+ward+pots will now be the best opening gold wise for supports? It's greedy and safe, seems pretty good. Unless the make ruby ss hold more charges upgrading it still sucks.

As far as normals are concerned spelltheifs on soraka could be fun as shit providing your q doesn't snipe a minion and take all of your extra damage away. If only they didn't need solo loaners to not buy it.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
February 28 2014 05:17 GMT
#384
Does anyone know the core items for Vladimir?

A friend and I were having a discussion about this so feedback would be appreciated!
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 28 2014 05:33 GMT
#385
On February 28 2014 14:17 Frudgey wrote:
Does anyone know the core items for Vladimir?

A friend and I were having a discussion about this so feedback would be appreciated!

Deathcap Rylais Zhonyas mainly

Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
February 28 2014 05:40 GMT
#386
Ok guys i havent finished reading yet (pg 17 rofl this GD is amazing.) but seriously, how can you argue that the TF particle changes are anything close to balancing him or a buff/nerf. Like holy fuck, pre-change his cards changed colour and you pressed the button. Post change his cards change colour and you press the button. "its more intuitive for new players" - r u fuckin serious. The cards change colour, you press the button on the one you want. how the hell does having a 3 card bracket with the cards moving position for no reason help with this.
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 05:45:19
February 28 2014 05:44 GMT
#387
On February 28 2014 14:40 Omnishroud wrote:
Ok guys i havent finished reading yet (pg 17 rofl this GD is amazing.) but seriously, how can you argue that the TF particle changes are anything close to balancing him or a buff/nerf. Like holy fuck, pre-change his cards changed colour and you pressed the button. Post change his cards change colour and you press the button. "its more intuitive for new players" - r u fuckin serious. The cards change colour, you press the button on the one you want. how the hell does having a 3 card bracket with the cards moving position for no reason help with this.


cuz this game has the kind of playerbase where that is a buff to all levels
also i can finally start telling people to take this scroll and stick it somewhere safe again
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 28 2014 05:45 GMT
#388
Don't know if I'm late to the party, but tried Sej today. Feels REALLY strong with the changes + W bug fix. Had a game where our support Yasuo was feeding on purpose (ended like 2/20/1 or something) and still went 13/7/26.

Also found out that Vel'Koz + Sej is a pretty damn scary ult combo.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 06:08:29
February 28 2014 06:06 GMT
#389
So a friend of mine and I were having a diiscussion. Topic being "the most toxic champions". But not like you might think! We were talking about the top 1% champions, that demoralize/piss off the enemy team (and often times your team) from championselect on out, and cause - when played well (not stomping, not underperforming, just doing well) - headset-throwing, keyboard-smashing rage and demoralize to a point where people leave right then and there. Champions that by the mere fact that they are not currently losing cause drama and toxicity in the enemies team. Actual useful ingame performance/job in the team doesn't matter. We are going for the emotional fuck-up, not for the superior team :D

We came up with:

ADC
- Vayne

Support
- Blitzcrank

Mid
- Katarina
(- Kassadin "recently")

Jungle
- Shaco
- Master Yi

Top
-Tryndamere
- Teemo
(- Riven maybe)


Can you think of more? Not just snowbally champs, not just champs where you go "FUCK HES FED" (like Khazix) but only the pinnacle of rage and sadness.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
February 28 2014 06:12 GMT
#390
On February 28 2014 15:06 Celial wrote:
So a friend of mine and I were having a diiscussion. Topic being "the most toxic champions". But not like you might think! We were talking about the top 1% champions, that demoralize/piss off the enemy team (and often times your team) from championselect on out, and cause - when played well (not stomping, not underperforming, just doing well) - headset-throwing, keyboard-smashing rage and demoralize to a point where people leave right then and there. Champions that by the mere fact that they are not currently losing cause drama and toxicity in the enemies team. Actual useful ingame performance/job in the team doesn't matter. We are going for the emotional fuck-up, not for the superior team :D

We came up with:

ADC
- Vayne

Support
- Blitzcrank

Mid
- Katarina
(- Kassadin "recently")

Jungle
- Shaco
- Master Yi

Top
-Tryndamere
- Teemo
(- Riven maybe)


Can you think of more? Not just snowbally champs, not just champs where you go "FUCK HES FED" (like Khazix) but only the pinnacle of rage and sadness.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ynzsg/champions_played_by_the_most_toxic_players_chart/
Moderator。◕‿◕。
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
February 28 2014 06:13 GMT
#391
On February 28 2014 12:48 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 12:44 cLutZ wrote:
On February 28 2014 12:28 Ryuu314 wrote:
On February 28 2014 12:07 cLutZ wrote:
On February 28 2014 11:50 Ryuu314 wrote:
One of my biggest peeves with Riot balancing is their stubbornness in virtually never reverting a nerf.

Sometimes, a nerf is necessary because it's too overbearing for the current meta-game. When the meta changes, and the nerfed champion is unplayed, perhaps it's time to revert the nerf. Instead, Riot chooses to "rework" a champion when simple nerf reversion would be perfectly fine. Not only does it free up resources for the Riot design team (since they don't have to spend tons of time effectively redesigning a champion), but it also ensures that the champion in question stays true to their original playstyle.

Now, granted, some champions simply just have toxic playstyles (like AP Yi or AP Tryn) that should be removed or heavily revamped, but in my opinion, such cases are few and far between.
On February 28 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:
It's not just Riot's fault either. Most LoL players are like this:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

tbh the Kassadin OP circlejerk, especially on Reddit, is imo way overblown in the context of solo q.


Or champs that never needed the nerf to begin with...like Singed, Volibear, and Lux in S3.

eh. Singed ult did need nerfing. At least the removal of tenacity. He was sleeper OP for a long time. The damage nerfs were imo a bit overboard. As with the base armor and cd nerfs.


Insanity potion OR Fling was maybe justified he was like good for 2 weeks though, which is kinda sad considering the reign of some current toplaners, definitely not both. And, if they thought they were going to be creating Specters at any time, neither.

On February 28 2014 12:35 kongoline wrote:
On February 28 2014 12:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 28 2014 12:19 kongoline wrote:
On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:
On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:
On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered.

i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful

Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well.

I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways.

not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable

Well that has to do with when power spikes hit. Gotta wait til you get like 4 items on Vlad before you start outscaling. Shyv just straight up wins from all item timings before that.

tbh i dont think vlad outscales shyv at any point of the game, 6items is close though but she gets there a lot faster because she dominates early-mid game so much harder than you


And 4 item balance is still pretty much irrelevant...even with slower games.

On February 28 2014 12:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
On February 28 2014 12:34 Sufficiency wrote:
The problem with Riot's balance strategies vs Blizzard's (I am only going to talk about their balance strategy with WC3, which is what I am the most familiar with) is that Blizzard's balance strategy is focused almost entirely on actually balancing the game and the changes they make are always fairly conservative. On the other hand, Riot's balance strategy is business oriented.

For example, Blizzard did not really care too much about certain starting heroes being dominate. AM as starting hero is the dominate Human strategy and Blizzard was mostly OK with that - for a long time they kept AM as-in and inserted very minor buffs to Paladin and BM. They feel that a hard nerf onto AM will greatly disturb the balance of the game as a whole and they weren't willing to risk (and extra work) doing that just to introduce variety.

Riot's balance is more of a business strategy. If Riot was to balance WC3, they would have nerfed AM to the ground to force new strategy/heroes to get played. The problem with Riot is that due to their business model, they have a lot of incentives to merely shuffle the viable champion pool.

why do people always assume Riot's balancing is intrinsically tied to their "business model" rather than their personal view of balance?

it's inane.


And I disagree. Because they don't even "rotate", for lack of a better phrase, OP champions that well. They certainly do usually release strong champions, but its not like they have brought back Kog Maw in the last...2 years? And he has a bunch of awesome and relatively expensive skins like Jurassic and Chinese new year.

Shyvana was fotm for quite a while several months after her release. Then fell out of favor. Now is back. Champions definitely rotate. Another example, Nunu was jungle terror in season 1. He came back for a while in season 2/3. Nunu still sees play by (only) Bengi.


This whole argument is nuts. As long as you're doing a balance patches of course some number of champions are going to fall into and out of favor, especially from season to season when they completely change jungle masteries and items. The only alternative is to never ever do anything which no one actually wants because people (including TL) would get sick of XY OP or UP champions being left alone forever. Even that wouldn't prevent champs from going into and out of popularity all by themselves in the developing meta so long as the state of balance is remotely close to reasonable. Super Smash Bros Melee has had top tier characters hop up and down a step or two on the tier lists even in the past few years and that game is ancient.

Moreover, if balancing was not related to business success then no game developer would actually do it because all the ones that ignored balance would have beaten the companies that wasted time with it. DotA 2 is no exception and it also experiences meta/hero cycles (and benefits from the player engagement this produces). A dollar is a dollar... it doesn't matter where it comes from (RP, hats, box sales) as long as it comes from somewhere and you maintain good PR/satisfaction for your next product.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
February 28 2014 06:13 GMT
#392
Imo the most annoying thing to play vs is Teemo, Nidalee, Caitlyn, Alistar, Evelynn
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 28 2014 06:15 GMT
#393
The skin for new Arctic Ops Varus, is alright, but the animations are top notch. The Q charge is fucking sick, along with his awesome recall animation.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 28 2014 06:15 GMT
#394
On February 28 2014 14:40 Omnishroud wrote:
Ok guys i havent finished reading yet (pg 17 rofl this GD is amazing.) but seriously, how can you argue that the TF particle changes are anything close to balancing him or a buff/nerf. Like holy fuck, pre-change his cards changed colour and you pressed the button. Post change his cards change colour and you press the button. "its more intuitive for new players" - r u fuckin serious. The cards change colour, you press the button on the one you want. how the hell does having a 3 card bracket with the cards moving position for no reason help with this.

Realtalk: It must be a godsend for colorblinds.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 28 2014 06:17 GMT
#395
thresh has to be up there, 20 CCs on his kit and the lantern mechanic which just absolutely breaks the game. Lategame his hook is on like a 7 second cd and you can just spam it until you win. its sad
I come in for the scraps
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
February 28 2014 06:58 GMT
#396
On February 28 2014 15:15 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 14:40 Omnishroud wrote:
Ok guys i havent finished reading yet (pg 17 rofl this GD is amazing.) but seriously, how can you argue that the TF particle changes are anything close to balancing him or a buff/nerf. Like holy fuck, pre-change his cards changed colour and you pressed the button. Post change his cards change colour and you press the button. "its more intuitive for new players" - r u fuckin serious. The cards change colour, you press the button on the one you want. how the hell does having a 3 card bracket with the cards moving position for no reason help with this.

Realtalk: It must be a godsend for colorblinds.


Ya I tried TF today and the first thing i thought was location of the card could be another way for ppl to memorize and select the right color card (aka last bracket is always gold) and second was it would benefit colorblind players. But for most veteran TF players blue red gold pattern should already be ingrained in their head to make a difference, but I think if i can harness the use of location of the cards as well as my already learnt blue red gold pattern it might strengthen my ability to pick a card on the first rotation or make it easier for me to react to a card faster.

tldr: seeing the location of the cards with the new W particle might make it easier to associate with the right color card
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 07:18:55
February 28 2014 07:18 GMT
#397
As someone who is colourblind, that card change will reeeaaaallly help.

On February 28 2014 15:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
thresh has to be up there, 20 CCs on his kit and the lantern mechanic which just absolutely breaks the game. Lategame his hook is on like a 7 second cd and you can just spam it until you win. its sad

Flay is also so unbelievably good.

What's his niche anyway? The only thing he doesn't offer is sustain, but he has a multi-person shield anyway.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
February 28 2014 07:23 GMT
#398
He can't reliably engage like Leona, Annie, Sona,
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
February 28 2014 07:50 GMT
#399
On February 28 2014 16:23 Eppa! wrote:
He can't reliably engage like Leona, Annie, Sona,

But he isn't bad at it.

He's a jack of all trades, and above average at everything. He doesn't suffer because of having so many uses. Not to mention he is the unparallelled gank support and ally saver master.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 28 2014 07:52 GMT
#400
On February 28 2014 16:50 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:23 Eppa! wrote:
He can't reliably engage like Leona, Annie, Sona,

But he isn't bad at it.

He's a jack of all trades, and above average at everything. He doesn't suffer because of having so many uses. Not to mention he is the unparallelled gank support and ally saver master.

I think you found his niche.
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 133 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 10m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 197
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 1192
Bisu 682
hero 163
HiyA 114
Shine 67
Soma 34
Mong 32
sorry 27
EffOrt 24
NotJumperer 23
[ Show more ]
Bale 20
Killer 20
ZerO 15
Noble 12
Sharp 12
Terrorterran 9
League of Legends
JimRising 489
Counter-Strike
ceh9507
Heroes of the Storm
WinterStarcraft757
crisheroes580
Other Games
olofmeister1022
singsing672
Livibee233
Pyrionflax68
ArmadaUGS49
gofns26
ZerO(Twitch)4
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream532
Other Games
gamesdonequick531
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 14
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH333
• LUISG 27
• StrangeGG 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2395
League of Legends
• Jankos1225
• Rush1222
• Lourlo979
• Stunt428
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1h 10m
Afreeca Starleague
1h 10m
Leta vs Soulkey
PiGosaur Cup
15h 10m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 2h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Online Event
4 days
FEL
4 days
AI Arena Tournament
4 days
[ Show More ]
BSL: Ladder Tournament
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-27
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.