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On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful
Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well.
I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways.
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On February 28 2014 11:50 Ryuu314 wrote:One of my biggest peeves with Riot balancing is their stubbornness in virtually never reverting a nerf. Sometimes, a nerf is necessary because it's too overbearing for the current meta-game. When the meta changes, and the nerfed champion is unplayed, perhaps it's time to revert the nerf. Instead, Riot chooses to "rework" a champion when simple nerf reversion would be perfectly fine. Not only does it free up resources for the Riot design team (since they don't have to spend tons of time effectively redesigning a champion), but it also ensures that the champion in question stays true to their original playstyle. Now, granted, some champions simply just have toxic playstyles (like AP Yi or AP Tryn) that should be removed or heavily revamped, but in my opinion, such cases are few and far between. tbh the Kassadin OP circlejerk, especially on Reddit, is imo way overblown in the context of solo q.
Or champs that never needed the nerf to begin with...like Singed, Volibear, and Lux in S3.
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On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well. I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways.
not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable
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On February 28 2014 12:19 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well. I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways. not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable
Well that has to do with when power spikes hit. Gotta wait til you get like 4 items on Vlad before you start outscaling. Shyv just straight up wins from all item timings before that.
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On February 28 2014 12:07 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 11:50 Ryuu314 wrote:One of my biggest peeves with Riot balancing is their stubbornness in virtually never reverting a nerf. Sometimes, a nerf is necessary because it's too overbearing for the current meta-game. When the meta changes, and the nerfed champion is unplayed, perhaps it's time to revert the nerf. Instead, Riot chooses to "rework" a champion when simple nerf reversion would be perfectly fine. Not only does it free up resources for the Riot design team (since they don't have to spend tons of time effectively redesigning a champion), but it also ensures that the champion in question stays true to their original playstyle. Now, granted, some champions simply just have toxic playstyles (like AP Yi or AP Tryn) that should be removed or heavily revamped, but in my opinion, such cases are few and far between. On February 28 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:It's not just Riot's fault either. Most LoL players are like this: + Show Spoiler + tbh the Kassadin OP circlejerk, especially on Reddit, is imo way overblown in the context of solo q. Or champs that never needed the nerf to begin with...like Singed, Volibear, and Lux in S3.
eh. Singed ult did need nerfing. At least the removal of tenacity. He was sleeper OP for a long time. The damage nerfs were imo a bit overboard. As with the base armor and cd nerfs.
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The problem with Riot's balance strategies vs Blizzard's (I am only going to talk about their balance strategy with WC3, which is what I am the most familiar with) is that Blizzard's balance strategy is focused almost entirely on actually balancing the game and the changes they make are always fairly conservative. On the other hand, Riot's balance strategy is business oriented.
For example, Blizzard did not really care too much about certain starting heroes being dominate. AM as starting hero is the dominate Human strategy and Blizzard was mostly OK with that - for a long time they kept AM as-in and inserted very minor buffs to Paladin and BM. They feel that a hard nerf onto AM will greatly disturb the balance of the game as a whole and they weren't willing to risk (and extra work) doing that just to introduce variety.
Riot's balance is more of a business strategy. If Riot was to balance WC3, they would have nerfed AM to the ground to force new strategy/heroes to get played. The problem with Riot is that due to their business model, they have a lot of incentives to merely shuffle the viable champion pool.
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On February 28 2014 12:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:19 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well. I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways. not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable Well that has to do with when power spikes hit. Gotta wait til you get like 4 items on Vlad before you start outscaling. Shyv just straight up wins from all item timings before that.
tbh i dont think vlad outscales shyv at any point of the game, 6items is close though but she gets there a lot faster because she dominates early-mid game so much harder than you
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On February 28 2014 12:34 Sufficiency wrote:
The problem with Riot's balance strategies vs Blizzard's (I am only going to talk about their balance strategy with WC3, which is what I am the most familiar with) is that Blizzard's balance strategy is focused almost entirely on actually balancing the game and the changes they make are always fairly conservative. On the other hand, Riot's balance strategy is business oriented.
For example, Blizzard did not really care too much about certain starting heroes being dominate. AM as starting hero is the dominate Human strategy and Blizzard was mostly OK with that - for a long time they kept AM as-in and inserted very minor buffs to Paladin and BM. They feel that a hard nerf onto AM will greatly disturb the balance of the game as a whole and they weren't willing to risk (and extra work) doing that just to introduce variety.
Riot's balance is more of a business strategy. If Riot was to balance WC3, they would have nerfed AM to the ground to force new strategy/heroes to get played. The problem with Riot is that due to their business model, they have a lot of incentives to merely shuffle the viable champion pool.
why do people always assume Riot's balancing is intrinsically tied to their "business model" rather than their personal view of balance?
it's inane.
Why don't people say that Riot's cyclical balancing philosophy may also be heavily influenced by the community? I see, literally once a week or more, someone either on TL or Reddit complaining about how the current meta and champion pool is "boring." Well, guess what, Riot nerfs fotm champions hard to rotate the champion pool BECAUSE so many people QQ their asses off about "boring" champion pools. This happens every single time without fail. Post-worlds we see shittons of omg Jax/Corki so boring, nerf pl0x - despite those two champions only being in the spotlight for what? One or two months? Now we see shittons of people crying omg Shyvana/Mundo so dumb, rito plz.
If anyone is to be blamed, it's Riot design team first, then the community a very close second. Not Riot's "business model."
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On February 28 2014 12:35 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:25 wei2coolman wrote:On February 28 2014 12:19 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well. I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways. not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable Well that has to do with when power spikes hit. Gotta wait til you get like 4 items on Vlad before you start outscaling. Shyv just straight up wins from all item timings before that. tbh i dont think vlad outscales shyv at any point of the game, 6items is close though but she gets there a lot faster because she dominates early game so much harder than you
Not in 1v1 Vald woun't outscale, but his teamfight sure does.
On February 28 2014 12:38 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:34 Sufficiency wrote:
The problem with Riot's balance strategies vs Blizzard's (I am only going to talk about their balance strategy with WC3, which is what I am the most familiar with) is that Blizzard's balance strategy is focused almost entirely on actually balancing the game and the changes they make are always fairly conservative. On the other hand, Riot's balance strategy is business oriented.
For example, Blizzard did not really care too much about certain starting heroes being dominate. AM as starting hero is the dominate Human strategy and Blizzard was mostly OK with that - for a long time they kept AM as-in and inserted very minor buffs to Paladin and BM. They feel that a hard nerf onto AM will greatly disturb the balance of the game as a whole and they weren't willing to risk (and extra work) doing that just to introduce variety.
Riot's balance is more of a business strategy. If Riot was to balance WC3, they would have nerfed AM to the ground to force new strategy/heroes to get played. The problem with Riot is that due to their business model, they have a lot of incentives to merely shuffle the viable champion pool. why do people always assume Riot's balancing is intrinsically tied to their "business model" rather than their personal view of balance? it's inane.
because their views on balance happens to orient itself with a business model that benefits off of rotating strong champion pools.
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On February 28 2014 12:40 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:35 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:25 wei2coolman wrote:On February 28 2014 12:19 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well. I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways. not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable Well that has to do with when power spikes hit. Gotta wait til you get like 4 items on Vlad before you start outscaling. Shyv just straight up wins from all item timings before that. tbh i dont think vlad outscales shyv at any point of the game, 6items is close though but she gets there a lot faster because she dominates early game so much harder than you Not in 1v1 Vald woun't outscale, but his teamfight sure does. Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:38 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 28 2014 12:34 Sufficiency wrote:
The problem with Riot's balance strategies vs Blizzard's (I am only going to talk about their balance strategy with WC3, which is what I am the most familiar with) is that Blizzard's balance strategy is focused almost entirely on actually balancing the game and the changes they make are always fairly conservative. On the other hand, Riot's balance strategy is business oriented.
For example, Blizzard did not really care too much about certain starting heroes being dominate. AM as starting hero is the dominate Human strategy and Blizzard was mostly OK with that - for a long time they kept AM as-in and inserted very minor buffs to Paladin and BM. They feel that a hard nerf onto AM will greatly disturb the balance of the game as a whole and they weren't willing to risk (and extra work) doing that just to introduce variety.
Riot's balance is more of a business strategy. If Riot was to balance WC3, they would have nerfed AM to the ground to force new strategy/heroes to get played. The problem with Riot is that due to their business model, they have a lot of incentives to merely shuffle the viable champion pool. why do people always assume Riot's balancing is intrinsically tied to their "business model" rather than their personal view of balance? it's inane. because their views on balance happens to orient itself with a business model that benefits off of rotating strong champion pools.
or it's cause the community qqs and asks for champion rotations whether intentionally or not.
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On February 28 2014 12:43 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:40 wei2coolman wrote:On February 28 2014 12:35 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:25 wei2coolman wrote:On February 28 2014 12:19 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well. I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways. not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable Well that has to do with when power spikes hit. Gotta wait til you get like 4 items on Vlad before you start outscaling. Shyv just straight up wins from all item timings before that. tbh i dont think vlad outscales shyv at any point of the game, 6items is close though but she gets there a lot faster because she dominates early game so much harder than you Not in 1v1 Vald woun't outscale, but his teamfight sure does. On February 28 2014 12:38 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 28 2014 12:34 Sufficiency wrote:
The problem with Riot's balance strategies vs Blizzard's (I am only going to talk about their balance strategy with WC3, which is what I am the most familiar with) is that Blizzard's balance strategy is focused almost entirely on actually balancing the game and the changes they make are always fairly conservative. On the other hand, Riot's balance strategy is business oriented.
For example, Blizzard did not really care too much about certain starting heroes being dominate. AM as starting hero is the dominate Human strategy and Blizzard was mostly OK with that - for a long time they kept AM as-in and inserted very minor buffs to Paladin and BM. They feel that a hard nerf onto AM will greatly disturb the balance of the game as a whole and they weren't willing to risk (and extra work) doing that just to introduce variety.
Riot's balance is more of a business strategy. If Riot was to balance WC3, they would have nerfed AM to the ground to force new strategy/heroes to get played. The problem with Riot is that due to their business model, they have a lot of incentives to merely shuffle the viable champion pool. why do people always assume Riot's balancing is intrinsically tied to their "business model" rather than their personal view of balance? it's inane. because their views on balance happens to orient itself with a business model that benefits off of rotating strong champion pools. or it's cause the community qqs and asks for champion rotations whether intentionally or not.
and making community happy = $$$
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On February 28 2014 12:28 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:07 cLutZ wrote:On February 28 2014 11:50 Ryuu314 wrote:One of my biggest peeves with Riot balancing is their stubbornness in virtually never reverting a nerf. Sometimes, a nerf is necessary because it's too overbearing for the current meta-game. When the meta changes, and the nerfed champion is unplayed, perhaps it's time to revert the nerf. Instead, Riot chooses to "rework" a champion when simple nerf reversion would be perfectly fine. Not only does it free up resources for the Riot design team (since they don't have to spend tons of time effectively redesigning a champion), but it also ensures that the champion in question stays true to their original playstyle. Now, granted, some champions simply just have toxic playstyles (like AP Yi or AP Tryn) that should be removed or heavily revamped, but in my opinion, such cases are few and far between. On February 28 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:It's not just Riot's fault either. Most LoL players are like this: + Show Spoiler + tbh the Kassadin OP circlejerk, especially on Reddit, is imo way overblown in the context of solo q. Or champs that never needed the nerf to begin with...like Singed, Volibear, and Lux in S3. eh. Singed ult did need nerfing. At least the removal of tenacity. He was sleeper OP for a long time. The damage nerfs were imo a bit overboard. As with the base armor and cd nerfs.
Insanity potion OR Fling was maybe justified he was like good for 2 weeks though, which is kinda sad considering the reign of some current toplaners, definitely not both. And, if they thought they were going to be creating Specters at any time, neither.
On February 28 2014 12:35 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:25 wei2coolman wrote:On February 28 2014 12:19 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well. I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways. not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable Well that has to do with when power spikes hit. Gotta wait til you get like 4 items on Vlad before you start outscaling. Shyv just straight up wins from all item timings before that. tbh i dont think vlad outscales shyv at any point of the game, 6items is close though but she gets there a lot faster because she dominates early-mid game so much harder than you
And 4 item balance is still pretty much irrelevant...even with slower games.
On February 28 2014 12:38 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:34 Sufficiency wrote:
The problem with Riot's balance strategies vs Blizzard's (I am only going to talk about their balance strategy with WC3, which is what I am the most familiar with) is that Blizzard's balance strategy is focused almost entirely on actually balancing the game and the changes they make are always fairly conservative. On the other hand, Riot's balance strategy is business oriented.
For example, Blizzard did not really care too much about certain starting heroes being dominate. AM as starting hero is the dominate Human strategy and Blizzard was mostly OK with that - for a long time they kept AM as-in and inserted very minor buffs to Paladin and BM. They feel that a hard nerf onto AM will greatly disturb the balance of the game as a whole and they weren't willing to risk (and extra work) doing that just to introduce variety.
Riot's balance is more of a business strategy. If Riot was to balance WC3, they would have nerfed AM to the ground to force new strategy/heroes to get played. The problem with Riot is that due to their business model, they have a lot of incentives to merely shuffle the viable champion pool. why do people always assume Riot's balancing is intrinsically tied to their "business model" rather than their personal view of balance? it's inane. Why don't people say that Riot's cyclical balancing philosophy may also be heavily influenced by the community? I see, literally once a week or more, someone either on TL or Reddit complaining about how the current meta and champion pool is "boring." Well, guess what, Riot nerfs fotm champions hard to rotate the champion pool BECAUSE so many people QQ their asses off about "boring" champion pools. This happens every single time without fail. Post-worlds we see shittons of omg Jax/Corki so boring, nerf pl0x - despite those two champions only being in the spotlight for what? One or two months? Now we see shittons of people crying omg Shyvana/Mundo so dumb, rito plz. If anyone is to be blamed, it's Riot design team first, then the community a very close second. Not Riot's "business model."
And I disagree. Because they don't even "rotate", for lack of a better phrase, OP champions that well. They certainly do usually release strong champions, but its not like they have brought back Kog Maw in the last...2 years? And he has a bunch of awesome and relatively expensive skins like Jurassic and Chinese new year.
The other problem is that Riot has, recently, given us some of its most boring champions as "op" champions. Renekton, Mundo, Shyvana, Rengar toplane? They are basically the same champion. Then you replace Rengar with Trundle, another snoozer, and in Korea I am even seeing the return of ZAC, the master of the Snooze button.
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On February 28 2014 12:44 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:28 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 28 2014 12:07 cLutZ wrote:On February 28 2014 11:50 Ryuu314 wrote:One of my biggest peeves with Riot balancing is their stubbornness in virtually never reverting a nerf. Sometimes, a nerf is necessary because it's too overbearing for the current meta-game. When the meta changes, and the nerfed champion is unplayed, perhaps it's time to revert the nerf. Instead, Riot chooses to "rework" a champion when simple nerf reversion would be perfectly fine. Not only does it free up resources for the Riot design team (since they don't have to spend tons of time effectively redesigning a champion), but it also ensures that the champion in question stays true to their original playstyle. Now, granted, some champions simply just have toxic playstyles (like AP Yi or AP Tryn) that should be removed or heavily revamped, but in my opinion, such cases are few and far between. On February 28 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:It's not just Riot's fault either. Most LoL players are like this: + Show Spoiler + tbh the Kassadin OP circlejerk, especially on Reddit, is imo way overblown in the context of solo q. Or champs that never needed the nerf to begin with...like Singed, Volibear, and Lux in S3. eh. Singed ult did need nerfing. At least the removal of tenacity. He was sleeper OP for a long time. The damage nerfs were imo a bit overboard. As with the base armor and cd nerfs. Insanity potion OR Fling was maybe justified he was like good for 2 weeks though, which is kinda sad considering the reign of some current toplaners, definitely not both. And, if they thought they were going to be creating Specters at any time, neither. Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:35 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:25 wei2coolman wrote:On February 28 2014 12:19 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 12:06 nafta wrote:On February 28 2014 11:57 kongoline wrote:On February 28 2014 11:54 nafta wrote:
Because you want to play her and think she is fun?Champ power really doesn't matter much unless you are just picking something that gets brutally countered. i main vlad but whenever i pick shyv top instead (which i dont play much) i still feel game is 100x easier to carry and to stay useful Well maybe you are just good at champs like shyv but are terrible at vlad?Liking something doesn't mean you play it well. I bet you have won tons of games because the other person has no clue what to do vs vlad.It goes both ways. not really i cant recall last time i lost lane as vlad i crush rivens, irelias on regular basis i just think its pathetic how during midgame team fights i feel as impactful as 0-2 shyv i beat during laning, go play as vlad in an even game and then try shyv in similar conditions, team fight power isnt even comparable Well that has to do with when power spikes hit. Gotta wait til you get like 4 items on Vlad before you start outscaling. Shyv just straight up wins from all item timings before that. tbh i dont think vlad outscales shyv at any point of the game, 6items is close though but she gets there a lot faster because she dominates early-mid game so much harder than you And 4 item balance is still pretty much irrelevant...even with slower games. Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:38 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 28 2014 12:34 Sufficiency wrote:
The problem with Riot's balance strategies vs Blizzard's (I am only going to talk about their balance strategy with WC3, which is what I am the most familiar with) is that Blizzard's balance strategy is focused almost entirely on actually balancing the game and the changes they make are always fairly conservative. On the other hand, Riot's balance strategy is business oriented.
For example, Blizzard did not really care too much about certain starting heroes being dominate. AM as starting hero is the dominate Human strategy and Blizzard was mostly OK with that - for a long time they kept AM as-in and inserted very minor buffs to Paladin and BM. They feel that a hard nerf onto AM will greatly disturb the balance of the game as a whole and they weren't willing to risk (and extra work) doing that just to introduce variety.
Riot's balance is more of a business strategy. If Riot was to balance WC3, they would have nerfed AM to the ground to force new strategy/heroes to get played. The problem with Riot is that due to their business model, they have a lot of incentives to merely shuffle the viable champion pool. why do people always assume Riot's balancing is intrinsically tied to their "business model" rather than their personal view of balance? it's inane. And I disagree. Because they don't even "rotate", for lack of a better phrase, OP champions that well. They certainly do usually release strong champions, but its not like they have brought back Kog Maw in the last...2 years? And he has a bunch of awesome and relatively expensive skins like Jurassic and Chinese new year.
Shyvana was fotm for quite a while several months after her release. Then fell out of favor. Now is back. Champions definitely rotate. Another example, Nunu was jungle terror in season 1. He came back for a while in season 2/3. Nunu still sees play by (only) Bengi.
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On February 28 2014 10:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find a list of moderators/banlings on TL?
Liquipedia is your friend.
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Yes pls on Varus skin, he is one of my favorite champions to play, I'd love that skin ^^
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That Heimer update just reminds me of another "rework" that has done little to make the champion easier to balance.
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On February 28 2014 13:31 cLutZ wrote:
That Heimer update just reminds me of another "rework" that has done little to make the champion easier to balance.
maybe they're
are designed to make him balanceable across the entire spectrum of players. ?
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