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JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
February 28 2014 08:28 GMT
#401
On February 28 2014 16:52 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:50 JazzVortical wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:23 Eppa! wrote:
He can't reliably engage like Leona, Annie, Sona,

But he isn't bad at it.

He's a jack of all trades, and above average at everything. He doesn't suffer because of having so many uses. Not to mention he is the unparallelled gank support and ally saver master.

I think you found his niche.

I'm happy for that to be his niche, but the rest of his shit complicates that. If they want to keep lantern strong (which I'd encourage) other stuff needs to be weaker. Especially flay (IMO of course).
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 28 2014 08:31 GMT
#402
On February 28 2014 15:12 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 15:06 Celial wrote:
So a friend of mine and I were having a diiscussion. Topic being "the most toxic champions". But not like you might think! We were talking about the top 1% champions, that demoralize/piss off the enemy team (and often times your team) from championselect on out, and cause - when played well (not stomping, not underperforming, just doing well) - headset-throwing, keyboard-smashing rage and demoralize to a point where people leave right then and there. Champions that by the mere fact that they are not currently losing cause drama and toxicity in the enemies team. Actual useful ingame performance/job in the team doesn't matter. We are going for the emotional fuck-up, not for the superior team :D

We came up with:

ADC
- Vayne

Support
- Blitzcrank

Mid
- Katarina
(- Kassadin "recently")

Jungle
- Shaco
- Master Yi

Top
-Tryndamere
- Teemo
(- Riven maybe)


Can you think of more? Not just snowbally champs, not just champs where you go "FUCK HES FED" (like Khazix) but only the pinnacle of rage and sadness.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ynzsg/champions_played_by_the_most_toxic_players_chart/

No surprise, 10 of the bottom 11 are supports and the other one is Caitlyn LOL
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
February 28 2014 09:29 GMT
#403
Pretty shocked Shaco/Mordekaiser werent #1
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
February 28 2014 09:44 GMT
#404
Did a TL'er just make a post about most rage inducing champs and didn't include Yorick anywhere? How far we've come.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 09:57:46
February 28 2014 09:57 GMT
#405
On February 28 2014 18:44 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Did a TL'er just make a post about most rage inducing champs and didn't include Yorick anywhere? How far we've come.

Who is this "yorrick" you speak of?
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 10:12:41
February 28 2014 10:04 GMT
#406
Some good, some not so good.

In my opinion:

  • Kassadin
    - Silence change good
    - Ability slight damage reduction - I don't think this is the right way to go; Much better would be to increase mana cost on problematic abilities.
  • Ryze
    - Well I like this change, but generally the problem with ryze on mid is either he is too squishy early(this change does help) or he gets really squishy after the enemy gets to level 6++(this change doesn't help much).
    - I'll definitelly play some more games with him and see how it goes.
  • Teemo
    - Generally bad, the ratio nerf is too big
    - The problem with his shrooms is not in the damage but in lack and difficulty of getting good detection. Imo sweeping lens is problem, because it is not very good at doing this. Also I found I can easily exploit the sweep range by not putting ward into bush(bottom) but rather into river closer to dragon.
  • Tear
    - very good change
  • Doran shield
    - now efectivelly useless;you are much better now to buy armor and extra potions or hp
  • Boots of mobility
    - bad change
  • Ruby crystal
    - I like the possibility of another starting item although I'm not sure if I use it.
  • Spell thief Edge Line
    - We'll see; the damage bonus might be too imba on some heroes with good range. Rather make the Frost queen better would be maybe more appealing... Or maybe instead of bonus damage restore small portion of mana for you and ally on hit?
  • Relic Shield Line
    - Relic Shield - removing health regen very bad. I don't know about the rest needs testing..
  • Ancient Coin Line
    - Dramatic nerf early on; Ancient coin no hp regen is really bad. Still people are going to buy it because of +3 sec aoe movement speed bonus and 20% CDR
    - coin bonus 3 rather unnecessary change(= less wards less items for support)
    - Rather better change would be to the active: 3 sec -> 2.5 sec or 60s -> 90s

- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 10:27:59
February 28 2014 10:25 GMT
#407
I feel like Ryze should/ will maybe get some competitive play soon. Just going off of what teams might be looking for to counter current solo laners. It's difficult, but we've seen karthus work still. I believe they can make Ryze work as well.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 28 2014 10:45 GMT
#408
More like we've seen people suck against Karthus.

On February 28 2014 14:45 Diamond wrote:
Don't know if I'm late to the party, but tried Sej today. Feels REALLY strong with the changes + W bug fix. Had a game where our support Yasuo was feeding on purpose (ended like 2/20/1 or something) and still went 13/7/26.

Also found out that Vel'Koz + Sej is a pretty damn scary ult combo.

The "bug fix" only affects %HP increases so it's really minor. I can't remember if the defense mastery was concerned, but other than that you only had the %HP runes, which are generally bad anyway.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
February 28 2014 10:45 GMT
#409
On February 28 2014 19:25 ketchup wrote:
I feel like Ryze should/ will maybe get some competitive play soon. Just going off of what teams might be looking for to counter current solo laners. It's difficult, but we've seen karthus work still. I believe they can make Ryze work as well.

That really depends on if he can lane well enough to not snowball negatively. When played top his primary stray was take tp and out scale the fuck out of anybody he was up against, even if he died a few times, with the only way to stop it being to snowball against him and not let the tear road core come out before the 20 minute mark if at all possible.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
February 28 2014 12:44 GMT
#410
On February 28 2014 19:45 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 19:25 ketchup wrote:
I feel like Ryze should/ will maybe get some competitive play soon. Just going off of what teams might be looking for to counter current solo laners. It's difficult, but we've seen karthus work still. I believe they can make Ryze work as well.

That really depends on if he can lane well enough to not snowball negatively. When played top his primary stray was take tp and out scale the fuck out of anybody he was up against, even if he died a few times, with the only way to stop it being to snowball against him and not let the tear road core come out before the 20 minute mark if at all possible.


I love ryze but his early game is so rough. In mid his range is just too small for a champion with no escapes and his wave clear is not so good before 6. In top he has no escapes so he gets camped harder than teemo. I am less excited about the 25 range and more excited about the tear buff when it comes to ryze though.
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
February 28 2014 13:23 GMT
#411
On February 28 2014 17:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 15:12 Harem wrote:
On February 28 2014 15:06 Celial wrote:
So a friend of mine and I were having a diiscussion. Topic being "the most toxic champions". But not like you might think! We were talking about the top 1% champions, that demoralize/piss off the enemy team (and often times your team) from championselect on out, and cause - when played well (not stomping, not underperforming, just doing well) - headset-throwing, keyboard-smashing rage and demoralize to a point where people leave right then and there. Champions that by the mere fact that they are not currently losing cause drama and toxicity in the enemies team. Actual useful ingame performance/job in the team doesn't matter. We are going for the emotional fuck-up, not for the superior team :D

We came up with:

ADC
- Vayne

Support
- Blitzcrank

Mid
- Katarina
(- Kassadin "recently")

Jungle
- Shaco
- Master Yi

Top
-Tryndamere
- Teemo
(- Riven maybe)


Can you think of more? Not just snowbally champs, not just champs where you go "FUCK HES FED" (like Khazix) but only the pinnacle of rage and sadness.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ynzsg/champions_played_by_the_most_toxic_players_chart/

No surprise, 10 of the bottom 11 are supports and the other one is Caitlyn LOL


I'm happy to see Kayle so low on that list. We're mannered yay
I got five reasons for you to shut up
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
February 28 2014 13:52 GMT
#412
I play almost only champs in the bottom half of that graph lol, Sejuani Sona Leona Caitlyn.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 28 2014 13:52 GMT
#413
On February 28 2014 22:23 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 17:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On February 28 2014 15:12 Harem wrote:
On February 28 2014 15:06 Celial wrote:
So a friend of mine and I were having a diiscussion. Topic being "the most toxic champions". But not like you might think! We were talking about the top 1% champions, that demoralize/piss off the enemy team (and often times your team) from championselect on out, and cause - when played well (not stomping, not underperforming, just doing well) - headset-throwing, keyboard-smashing rage and demoralize to a point where people leave right then and there. Champions that by the mere fact that they are not currently losing cause drama and toxicity in the enemies team. Actual useful ingame performance/job in the team doesn't matter. We are going for the emotional fuck-up, not for the superior team :D

We came up with:

ADC
- Vayne

Support
- Blitzcrank

Mid
- Katarina
(- Kassadin "recently")

Jungle
- Shaco
- Master Yi

Top
-Tryndamere
- Teemo
(- Riven maybe)


Can you think of more? Not just snowbally champs, not just champs where you go "FUCK HES FED" (like Khazix) but only the pinnacle of rage and sadness.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ynzsg/champions_played_by_the_most_toxic_players_chart/

No surprise, 10 of the bottom 11 are supports and the other one is Caitlyn LOL


I'm happy to see Kayle so low on that list. We're mannered yay

not you, just the other kayle players
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
February 28 2014 14:20 GMT
#414
On February 28 2014 16:18 JazzVortical wrote:
As someone who is colourblind, that card change will reeeaaaallly help.

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 15:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
thresh has to be up there, 20 CCs on his kit and the lantern mechanic which just absolutely breaks the game. Lategame his hook is on like a 7 second cd and you can just spam it until you win. its sad

Flay is also so unbelievably good.

What's his niche anyway? The only thing he doesn't offer is sustain, but he has a multi-person shield anyway.


threshs niche is be too good at everything. I think that even if all his damage numbers where reduced to zero he'd still be a better pick than most other support champs. His kit is that broken compared to every other support.
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4162 Posts
February 28 2014 14:43 GMT
#415
On February 28 2014 23:20 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:18 JazzVortical wrote:
As someone who is colourblind, that card change will reeeaaaallly help.

On February 28 2014 15:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
thresh has to be up there, 20 CCs on his kit and the lantern mechanic which just absolutely breaks the game. Lategame his hook is on like a 7 second cd and you can just spam it until you win. its sad

Flay is also so unbelievably good.

What's his niche anyway? The only thing he doesn't offer is sustain, but he has a multi-person shield anyway.


threshs niche is be too good at everything. I think that even if all his damage numbers where reduced to zero he'd still be a better pick than most other support champs. His kit is that broken compared to every other support.

agreed, riot gave him too many useful abilities. you can effectively split thresh set into two other viable supports.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
February 28 2014 14:54 GMT
#416
Kinda random but phantomlord is so fucking unbearable to watch, I don't understand his appeal at all. There's maybe one funny video of him but thats it. All that forced, incessant screaming is so goddamn obnoxious
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
February 28 2014 15:10 GMT
#417
On February 28 2014 23:54 SwizzY wrote:
Kinda random but phantomlord is so fucking unbearable to watch, I don't understand his appeal at all. There's maybe one funny video of him but thats it. All that forced, incessant screaming is so goddamn obnoxious

You're not alone. But considering he's pretty much the only streamer acting like this, he's getting the entire audience who like it.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 15:36:20
February 28 2014 15:15 GMT
#418
On February 28 2014 23:20 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:18 JazzVortical wrote:
As someone who is colourblind, that card change will reeeaaaallly help.

On February 28 2014 15:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
thresh has to be up there, 20 CCs on his kit and the lantern mechanic which just absolutely breaks the game. Lategame his hook is on like a 7 second cd and you can just spam it until you win. its sad

Flay is also so unbelievably good.

What's his niche anyway? The only thing he doesn't offer is sustain, but he has a multi-person shield anyway.


threshs niche is be too good at everything. I think that even if all his damage numbers where reduced to zero he'd still be a better pick than most other support champs. His kit is that broken compared to every other support.


They just need to give their desired "counterplay" to his lantern. It shouldn't be a get out of jail free card, thus, enemy players should be able to click it too. Trying to check that bush? Vi to the face. Trying to save your ZAC that went too ham (man S3 ZAC + Thresh was idiotic)? Enemy Shyvana takes the Thresh express to your Ziggs.
Freeeeeeedom
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
February 28 2014 15:18 GMT
#419
it was possible to block it with a ward but they removed it god knows why lol
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4162 Posts
February 28 2014 15:30 GMT
#420
Is there any reason now to play top Rengar with Doran Shield instead of Blade, even when I am going for tanky Rengar? And this question stays for many top laners that rely on auto-attacks I suppose. I can't see how Doran shield is superior defensively to the blade for such champs

Opinions on this?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
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