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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 15 2014 17:10 GMT
#1021
Yeah I think the biggest hit the CDR boot change would have is on ADs who wanted to build it, since they just don't have good CDR itemization options.

Even stuff like CDR boots Riven or Corki or Ezreal or whatever I think a lot of people already argued as being bad, and now it will be even worse.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
February 15 2014 17:10 GMT
#1022
On February 16 2014 02:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:02 beefhamburger wrote:
On February 16 2014 01:46 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 16 2014 01:34 beefhamburger wrote:
Honest question: Would you guys still complain about the CDR boots change if they made the CDR cap 35%?

On February 15 2014 23:59 Yezzus wrote:
On February 15 2014 17:57 silencefc wrote:
Holy crap, I love these changes:

http://community.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Jp0TQALv-planned-43-itemization-changes-boots-duo-lane-gold-items-dshield-ruby-crystal

Even more stupid nerfs to vlad via items AGAIN

Most/All LCS Vlad players go sorc boots over lucidity. Shouldn't really affect him that much imo.

No. But we would complain about the cap being 35%

I feel even 40% is pretty arbitrary and that we're just used to it being that way for so long. With proper champion cooldown balancing, LoL could have worked if it started with a CDR cap of anywhere from 25-50%. People just like to complain about stuff =(.

40% hits some pretty important CD timings.
In progames, you only need to hit around 20% cdr with items, the rest should be covered up by blue and blue pot.

Although, this nerf does hurt Blue Build Ez quite a bit. Can never get 40% with items now.

Considering how awful it is to play against a low cd ranged aoe slow, this is acceptable collateral damage.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 18:02:34
February 15 2014 17:58 GMT
#1023
On February 16 2014 02:10 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:02 beefhamburger wrote:
On February 16 2014 01:46 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 16 2014 01:34 beefhamburger wrote:
Honest question: Would you guys still complain about the CDR boots change if they made the CDR cap 35%?

On February 15 2014 23:59 Yezzus wrote:
On February 15 2014 17:57 silencefc wrote:
Holy crap, I love these changes:

http://community.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Jp0TQALv-planned-43-itemization-changes-boots-duo-lane-gold-items-dshield-ruby-crystal

Even more stupid nerfs to vlad via items AGAIN

Most/All LCS Vlad players go sorc boots over lucidity. Shouldn't really affect him that much imo.

No. But we would complain about the cap being 35%

I feel even 40% is pretty arbitrary and that we're just used to it being that way for so long. With proper champion cooldown balancing, LoL could have worked if it started with a CDR cap of anywhere from 25-50%. People just like to complain about stuff =(.

40% hits some pretty important CD timings.
In progames, you only need to hit around 20% cdr with items, the rest should be covered up by blue and blue pot.

Although, this nerf does hurt Blue Build Ez quite a bit. Can never get 40% with items now.

Considering how awful it is to play against a low cd ranged aoe slow, this is acceptable collateral damage.

how about other ad casters like riven, jayce or vlad who relay on those boots to get cdr ? with riots logic only supports are allowed the use them zzzz
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
February 15 2014 18:03 GMT
#1024
On February 15 2014 20:58 TigerKarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 20:07 IMoperator wrote:
i hate how this game is so team reliant. there's no reason for me to be in the same elo as some of these idiots lol.

You're exactly where you belong, kid

User was warned for this post



I'm not supporting you giving me warnings for bullshit reasons. I'll adblock tl.net again then. You're hurting the elephant, i'm hurting the elephant.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
February 15 2014 18:10 GMT
#1025
Let the fireworks fly... :D
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 15 2014 18:11 GMT
#1026
Qq about the boots change. Got to say goodbye to them on Ashe I really don't think zerks are good.
Freeeeeeedom
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 18:15:58
February 15 2014 18:15 GMT
#1027
On February 15 2014 20:07 IMoperator wrote:
i hate how this game is so team reliant. there's no reason for me to be in the same elo as some of these idiots lol.

Lemme make this clear to everyone reading.

If your teammates are idiots, why are you in the same bracket as them? Some people can have bad games. You probably have bad games too. Shit happens. Fucking deal with it instead of crying about how you're stuck in some ELO hell and you can't get out. If you can't progress, maybe it's time for you to realize that maybe you suck cock too.

How do high ELO players get to where they are? It's because they play better, have good mechanics, and probably have somewhat of an understanding of the game. Why are you stuck where you are? Because you probably are not as good as you think you are.

Stop crying. Stop bitching. Play the fucking game. It's the same shit every fucking season. If your mentality is that you're absolutely better than everyone else you're playing with, you're most likely deluding yourself from recognizing your misplays and preventing you from improving.

Play the game, and stop fucking crying about your teammates. Prove that you're truly better than those "idiots".
God Bless
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 15 2014 18:17 GMT
#1028
nooo not the elephant
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 15 2014 18:29 GMT
#1029
On February 16 2014 03:17 oneofthem wrote:
nooo not the elephant

If esports dies we now know who did it.
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 15 2014 18:34 GMT
#1030
On February 16 2014 00:28 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 20:58 TigerKarl wrote:
On February 15 2014 20:07 IMoperator wrote:
i hate how this game is so team reliant. there's no reason for me to be in the same elo as some of these idiots lol.

You're exactly where you belong, kid


I feel like both of these posts deserve some sort of moderation, but that's just me.

Those support item changes seem kind of neat. It's a straight buff to all three items though, I wonder how that will effect stuff and things.

I agree that the boots changes seem exceptionally strange. It might make CDR boots more attractive to supports, but will certainly make them less attractive to everybody else.


look again and I think you'll find the changes solidify coin as the best gold item by far.
Carrilord has arrived.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 15 2014 18:35 GMT
#1031
That might be true. It's still a buff to all three of them though.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 18:39:33
February 15 2014 18:37 GMT
#1032
oh for sure, but with dshield nerfs on the way did they need buffs outside of making all 3 options viable?

edit: actually Targon's route is imo, heavily nerfed. I go into (way too much) detail in the PBE thread
Carrilord has arrived.
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
February 15 2014 18:53 GMT
#1033
On February 16 2014 03:15 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 20:07 IMoperator wrote:
i hate how this game is so team reliant. there's no reason for me to be in the same elo as some of these idiots lol.

Lemme make this clear to everyone reading.

If your teammates are idiots, why are you in the same bracket as them? Some people can have bad games. You probably have bad games too. Shit happens. Fucking deal with it instead of crying about how you're stuck in some ELO hell and you can't get out. If you can't progress, maybe it's time for you to realize that maybe you suck cock too.

How do high ELO players get to where they are? It's because they play better, have good mechanics, and probably have somewhat of an understanding of the game. Why are you stuck where you are? Because you probably are not as good as you think you are.

Stop crying. Stop bitching. Play the fucking game. It's the same shit every fucking season. If your mentality is that you're absolutely better than everyone else you're playing with, you're most likely deluding yourself from recognizing your misplays and preventing you from improving.

Play the game, and stop fucking crying about your teammates. Prove that you're truly better than those "idiots".


I agree with this trail of thought so much. but im still waiting for the massive winstreak im going to get after all these losses from the megafeeders D: (seriously though, roffles 100% right, my last 30 games = exception to rule.)
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 19:17:09
February 15 2014 19:16 GMT
#1034
On February 16 2014 00:28 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 20:58 TigerKarl wrote:
On February 15 2014 20:07 IMoperator wrote:
i hate how this game is so team reliant. there's no reason for me to be in the same elo as some of these idiots lol.

You're exactly where you belong, kid


I feel like both of these posts deserve some sort of moderation, but that's just me.

A better response: to advance MMR, you need to stop caring how well your teammates are doing, and focusing on your own performance/play. For instance, Nightblue3 suggests you treat all teammates as bots. If they do poorly, whatever; if they carry, great job annie bot! You get the idea.

Raging at teammates is the #1 sign that you aren't improving.

Also the QQ thread is thadaway.
edit: and whatever Roffles just said.

On February 16 2014 02:58 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:10 Haiq343 wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:02 beefhamburger wrote:
On February 16 2014 01:46 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 16 2014 01:34 beefhamburger wrote:
Honest question: Would you guys still complain about the CDR boots change if they made the CDR cap 35%?

On February 15 2014 23:59 Yezzus wrote:
On February 15 2014 17:57 silencefc wrote:
Holy crap, I love these changes:

http://community.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Jp0TQALv-planned-43-itemization-changes-boots-duo-lane-gold-items-dshield-ruby-crystal

Even more stupid nerfs to vlad via items AGAIN

Most/All LCS Vlad players go sorc boots over lucidity. Shouldn't really affect him that much imo.

No. But we would complain about the cap being 35%

I feel even 40% is pretty arbitrary and that we're just used to it being that way for so long. With proper champion cooldown balancing, LoL could have worked if it started with a CDR cap of anywhere from 25-50%. People just like to complain about stuff =(.

40% hits some pretty important CD timings.
In progames, you only need to hit around 20% cdr with items, the rest should be covered up by blue and blue pot.

Although, this nerf does hurt Blue Build Ez quite a bit. Can never get 40% with items now.

Considering how awful it is to play against a low cd ranged aoe slow, this is acceptable collateral damage.

how about other ad casters like riven, jayce or vlad who relay on those boots to get cdr ? with riots logic only supports are allowed the use them zzzz

6 CDR blues ought to solve it. You trade off 7-8 MR, but whatevs.

Riven I can live with getting nerfs.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 19:28:29
February 15 2014 19:28 GMT
#1035
On February 16 2014 03:15 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 20:07 IMoperator wrote:
i hate how this game is so team reliant. there's no reason for me to be in the same elo as some of these idiots lol.

Lemme make this clear to everyone reading.

If your teammates are idiots, why are you in the same bracket as them? Some people can have bad games. You probably have bad games too. Shit happens. Fucking deal with it instead of crying about how you're stuck in some ELO hell and you can't get out. If you can't progress, maybe it's time for you to realize that maybe you suck cock too.

How do high ELO players get to where they are? It's because they play better, have good mechanics, and probably have somewhat of an understanding of the game. Why are you stuck where you are? Because you probably are not as good as you think you are.

Stop crying. Stop bitching. Play the fucking game. It's the same shit every fucking season. If your mentality is that you're absolutely better than everyone else you're playing with, you're most likely deluding yourself from recognizing your misplays and preventing you from improving.

Play the game, and stop fucking crying about your teammates. Prove that you're truly better than those "idiots".

Read a post by Roffles a day, keeps cancer away!
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 15 2014 19:32 GMT
#1036
unless you've played around 150-200 games there's really no point in discussing "where you are" it takes time to climb the ladder. I quit and decayed down to gold but now after 200 games im back at mid diamond, just keep grinding.
I come in for the scraps
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 15 2014 19:46 GMT
#1037
Yeah even if you could consistently maintain a 60-70% win ratio, it seems like it would take hundreds of games at that ratio to climb from a 1200 MMR starting position to the top of the ladder.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 15 2014 19:48 GMT
#1038
if you can maintain a 70% ratio it would take you less than 100 games.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
February 15 2014 20:07 GMT
#1039
I'm really becoming a believer in support Morgana. It's so strong. :>
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 15 2014 20:09 GMT
#1040
She is very annoying to play against when paired with a good caitlyn.
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