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Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 14 2014 17:33 GMT
#861
Will the Dshield nerf change anything top lane?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 14 2014 17:34 GMT
#862
On February 15 2014 02:21 Slayer91 wrote:
you can't ignore naut becaue if he hooks you and thne passives you you're going to get raped

Yeah, but not because of him, because his team will jump on you. On the other hand, get somewhere near Riven and she'll make you explode by herself.
Naut can only zone you if he has teammates in the immediate vincinity with cooldowns ready to follow-up, but if you lure him away from the thick of the fight (anyone decent will do that to someone trying to zone him) you deal with him easily so he can't follow you so he can't really zone you.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
February 14 2014 17:37 GMT
#863
On February 15 2014 02:33 Yezzus wrote:
Will the Dshield nerf change anything top lane?

I'm guessing that weak early laners will be hit by the changes and ranged champions will become stronger in toplane. Expecting mundo to become less popular, nasus less popular and kennen more popular.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 17:56:34
February 14 2014 17:55 GMT
#864
The problem with the Dshield nerf is that it will also have a big hit on mid lane.

Be a lot harder to mid Zed/Yasuo/etc against most common mids with a Dshield nerf.

Not that I'm saying Dshield shouldn't be nerfed, I just think that's why they're taking their time with it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 18:07:45
February 14 2014 18:01 GMT
#865
I don't see that being a problem. The champions you're mentioning typically want to farm defensively till they reach a level or item threshold then start all-ining their opponent whenever they feel like it because of how strong they become, having a weak period before that isn't bad at all (well Zed can still afk farm but Fizz, Yasuo, Kassadin, etc. have more trouble).

My farm-like-a-pussy-till-6-then-trade style with Jax top is going to take a beating though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 14 2014 18:03 GMT
#866
Do you think this is a buff or nerf to vlad? He can harass better I guess but the Sheidl went well with his passive. Vlad suffers from these item changes. SV nerf now shield
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 18:05:41
February 14 2014 18:05 GMT
#867
On February 15 2014 02:55 Ketara wrote:
The problem with the Dshield nerf is that it will also have a big hit on mid lane.

Be a lot harder to mid Zed/Yasuo/etc against most common mids with a Dshield nerf.

Not that I'm saying Dshield shouldn't be nerfed, I just think that's why they're taking their time with it.


Harder for Zed and Yasuo you say? Can you tell me any other exciting developments that are good for the game you anticipate?
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 14 2014 18:13 GMT
#868
On February 15 2014 02:55 Ketara wrote:
The problem with the Dshield nerf is that it will also have a big hit on mid lane.

Be a lot harder to mid Zed/Yasuo/etc against most common mids with a Dshield nerf.

Not that I'm saying Dshield shouldn't be nerfed, I just think that's why they're taking their time with it.



The doran's shield nerf will primarily target champion's with innate sustain (such as Garen/Renekton) but also tanky supports like Thresh/Leona, who already have good base hp5. I don't see how this will affect Zed and Yasuo. Zed did just fine prior to the doran's shield hype and I'm positive he will still be as good as a pick, even without the hp5.
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killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 18:17:54
February 14 2014 18:16 GMT
#869
On February 15 2014 02:34 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 02:21 Slayer91 wrote:
you can't ignore naut becaue if he hooks you and thne passives you you're going to get raped

Yeah, but not because of him, because his team will jump on you. On the other hand, get somewhere near Riven and she'll make you explode by herself.
Naut can only zone you if he has teammates in the immediate vincinity with cooldowns ready to follow-up, but if you lure him away from the thick of the fight (anyone decent will do that to someone trying to zone him) you deal with him easily so he can't follow you so he can't really zone you.


Well it depends what the naut is trying to do. If it's a situation where he has to kill you for his team to win the teamfight, (as in his team will lose the 4v4 unless he deals with you and comes back) then yes he can't do much, but if it's a situation where his only job is to keep a caitlyn/jinx/whatever away from the fight for 4-5 seconds, (say a situation where your mid isn't fed so you rely on your adc for all your damage) while his team destroys the 4v4, then naut could be really strong, because it's a lot harder for your support to peel a naut off you then it is for them to force a riven to back off. If he wants to make your adc back off then he can, and there isn't a huge amount you can do about it..
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 18:48:37
February 14 2014 18:48 GMT
#870
Just to make sure, I'm under the impression that you're talking about Nautilus as a whole, so for the record I'm talking about Nautilus once his ult (and possibly his Q) is down.
It's part of his arsenal, I agree, but since he tends to use it to initiate or counter-initiate, I was talking more about "after the initial clash". If you know his ult is on cd, his damage is too low for him to be a threat by himself, and his main tool is keeping his Q available to make you wary of a hook into one of his teammate following up on you.
However, since his damage is low, his base MS tied lowest, and he has to hold on his main mobility tool, he can't really stick to the person he's trying to zone, nor make him fear for his life, and he can't commit too hard for fear of being unable to run away once he gets low. At some points in the game he can do this job, but overall I feel like it's very awkward to zone as Nautilus once your ult is down and your team wants to commit on another target.
It also kinda forces him to build even tankier because it's so hard for him to get away (his Q, like Vi's, has a fucked up hitbox and is very easy to stop*), reducing his "direct" impact further.

On the other hand his kit is still good peel, I just think that he's really weak offensively once the initiation is cast.


* which reminds me, yesterday as Vi I got knocked back during my ult by a Vayne. I didn't even start the "lift-up" animation, I was just knocked back directly. Her ult's cc immunity is definitely bugged wrt displacements, although it only concerns the end of the dash.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 14 2014 19:06 GMT
#871
Not sure about Zed but Yasuo is probably better off starting dblade anyway.

It will affect Katarina slightly, and MAYBE morde too.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
February 14 2014 19:23 GMT
#872
On February 15 2014 00:10 Ketara wrote:
Who do you play against Mundo top these days?

It seems pretty impossible to stop him from farming ever.


i do pretty well in the matchup with katarina actually
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
February 14 2014 19:32 GMT
#873
kat is still better off w/ boots and pots
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 14 2014 19:37 GMT
#874
On February 15 2014 04:32 Frolossus wrote:
kat is still better off w/ boots and pots


I actually think dshield is a little better. 10hp/5sec is 1 pot per 5*15=75 sec. Plus you get the reduction and 100hp.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 14 2014 19:41 GMT
#875
[image loading]

Fuck.

Now I want that.

Dammit.

Also, random thought. It'd be hilarious if Yasuo's Wind Wall could block Lee Sin's Flying Kick on 2nd Q proc.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 14 2014 19:48 GMT
#876
On February 15 2014 04:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 04:32 Frolossus wrote:
kat is still better off w/ boots and pots


I actually think dshield is a little better. 10hp/5sec is 1 pot per 5*15=75 sec. Plus you get the reduction and 100hp.


Yeah I'd agree dshield is probably a little better. Won't be after a nerf tho.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
February 14 2014 19:49 GMT
#877
Gambit playing a once in a lifetime comp right now in LCS. It has a pre-rework Skarner!
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 14 2014 19:52 GMT
#878
On February 15 2014 04:49 Celial wrote:
Gambit playing a once in a lifetime comp right now in LCS. It has a pre-rework Skarner!

We have a thread for that.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 14 2014 19:53 GMT
#879
Yes but it doesn't hurt imo. I don't usually check that thread personally.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
February 14 2014 20:04 GMT
#880
On February 15 2014 04:52 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 04:49 Celial wrote:
Gambit playing a once in a lifetime comp right now in LCS. It has a pre-rework Skarner!

We have a thread for that.


I dont want to discuss it. I just want to tell people who might not be watching, but browsing here, that something extraordinary is happening.
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