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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 14 2014 22:18 GMT
#901
On February 15 2014 07:16 oneofthem wrote:
nah he's just banned for 2 years from ogn, or 5 tourneys not including the winter one.

he's not as good as faker but really knows how to put up stats and carry in soloq. if you watch his games he plays a lot safer than faker but does a lot of good calculated ganks.

solo q wise faker doesn't play as much as apdo does and trolls a lot more(watch his first pick blitzcrank support games to get an idea lol), so you can't compare their stats directly. there are a ton of games between them up on youtube.


thing about apdo that attracts people is the unknown factor, the potential. but i don't think he's as good as ryu or ambition at mid at least right now, and potential wise short of pawn.


SoloQ performance is less meaningful when you are the undisputed best player in the world right now...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
February 14 2014 22:33 GMT
#902
On February 15 2014 07:18 MattBarry wrote:
I hope they never nerf Kassadin, I want him to hit 100% ban rate. In fact I hope they buff him

The really hilarious thing is that if Kassadin gets through the ban phase, he ends up feeding terribly because no one knows how to play him anymore.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 14 2014 22:33 GMT
#903
apdo is hilarious
TL+ Member
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
February 14 2014 22:40 GMT
#904
On February 15 2014 07:33 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 07:18 MattBarry wrote:
I hope they never nerf Kassadin, I want him to hit 100% ban rate. In fact I hope they buff him

The really hilarious thing is that if Kassadin gets through the ban phase, he ends up feeding terribly because no one knows how to play him anymore.

And because people feel forced to pick him even if they have no idea how to play him. He's already near 100% ban rate tbh (at least in diamond).
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 22:49:32
February 14 2014 22:48 GMT
#905
On February 14 2014 22:54 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 21:48 739 wrote:
BTW what do you want to skill max on Aatrox first? For both top and jungle. For jungle W, for top lane E ? Or W for both ?

Also machete, pots or just Dorans, pot ?

E for both

machete pots for sure.

I like E cause the slow + ranged harass is pretty nice.

Im always at a loss between W/Q usually get W if im doing good, Q + empowered W auto does some pretty ridic damage,
and also the heal if youre doing bad tbh.

On February 15 2014 05:21 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 04:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
[image loading]

Fuck.

Now I want that.

Dammit.

Also, random thought. It'd be hilarious if Yasuo's Wind Wall could block Lee Sin's Flying Kick on 2nd Q proc.

Is it just me or it would be cool if Summoner's Rift have a city theme?
Purple side will be Valve's Headquarter, blue is Riot's.



I really hope they make some kind of Metroid Prime skin for him, would be beast :/
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 14 2014 22:49 GMT
#906
On February 15 2014 07:40 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 07:33 JazzVortical wrote:
On February 15 2014 07:18 MattBarry wrote:
I hope they never nerf Kassadin, I want him to hit 100% ban rate. In fact I hope they buff him

The really hilarious thing is that if Kassadin gets through the ban phase, he ends up feeding terribly because no one knows how to play him anymore.

And because people feel forced to pick him even if they have no idea how to play him. He's already near 100% ban rate tbh (at least in diamond).


Is he really that hard to play though?

You need to know his damage and everything, but that is fairly easy to compute. He has almost no skillshot and does not need to really kite.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2014 22:57 GMT
#907
here's a faker blitzcrank troll game. notice how he types how many times he's landed a hook in all chat after each one

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 14 2014 23:05 GMT
#908
On February 15 2014 06:25 cLutZ wrote:
I think Riot has moved in the wrong direction with stealth, and its not really close to being healthy right now.

I think there are two kinds of Stealth: Eve + Hard stealth.

Eve is really quite difficult to balance because just from a monetary standpoint, fighting against an Eve is a gigantic burden. Almost everywhere you put a Green ward normally, you actually need a Pink (aka 50g more spent, plus now you only get 5 per team, so that exacerbates the opportunity cost of protecting a flank). On top of that, you actually need pink wards in places that you never needed wards before. That is why she is hard to balance, because when you account for the cost investment in countering Eve, its nearly the equivalent to what she would be earning during a game, and "should" be balanced by her basically being a wet noodle (which she was for a long time). The only way to really beat an Eve is to be a very accurate guesser, so that is unhealthy.

Hard stealth is slightly less hard to balance, because usually it costs 125g (or now a sweeper) to counter and secure the kill. But its still a problem to balance because the balance team needs to approximate the number of times a team will need to use a pink to secure a kill, and deduct that champion's power accordingly. The amount of times will obviously vary from game to game so its a hard thing to do, but overall not Eve hard. Its more in line with balancing out something like Arcane Shift.


Pinks are 100 gold now.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 14 2014 23:10 GMT
#909
On February 15 2014 08:05 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 06:25 cLutZ wrote:
I think Riot has moved in the wrong direction with stealth, and its not really close to being healthy right now.

I think there are two kinds of Stealth: Eve + Hard stealth.

Eve is really quite difficult to balance because just from a monetary standpoint, fighting against an Eve is a gigantic burden. Almost everywhere you put a Green ward normally, you actually need a Pink (aka 50g more spent, plus now you only get 5 per team, so that exacerbates the opportunity cost of protecting a flank). On top of that, you actually need pink wards in places that you never needed wards before. That is why she is hard to balance, because when you account for the cost investment in countering Eve, its nearly the equivalent to what she would be earning during a game, and "should" be balanced by her basically being a wet noodle (which she was for a long time). The only way to really beat an Eve is to be a very accurate guesser, so that is unhealthy.

Hard stealth is slightly less hard to balance, because usually it costs 125g (or now a sweeper) to counter and secure the kill. But its still a problem to balance because the balance team needs to approximate the number of times a team will need to use a pink to secure a kill, and deduct that champion's power accordingly. The amount of times will obviously vary from game to game so its a hard thing to do, but overall not Eve hard. Its more in line with balancing out something like Arcane Shift.


Pinks are 100 gold now.


Ah, yes. But also not invisible so less a problem in the Hard Stealth Case, more in the Eve case.
Freeeeeeedom
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
February 14 2014 23:11 GMT
#910
On February 15 2014 07:49 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 07:40 RouaF wrote:
On February 15 2014 07:33 JazzVortical wrote:
On February 15 2014 07:18 MattBarry wrote:
I hope they never nerf Kassadin, I want him to hit 100% ban rate. In fact I hope they buff him

The really hilarious thing is that if Kassadin gets through the ban phase, he ends up feeding terribly because no one knows how to play him anymore.

And because people feel forced to pick him even if they have no idea how to play him. He's already near 100% ban rate tbh (at least in diamond).


Is he really that hard to play though?

You need to know his damage and everything, but that is fairly easy to compute. He has almost no skillshot and does not need to really kite.

No he's not, but they manage the pre 6 terribly.
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
February 14 2014 23:13 GMT
#911
On February 15 2014 07:49 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 07:40 RouaF wrote:
On February 15 2014 07:33 JazzVortical wrote:
On February 15 2014 07:18 MattBarry wrote:
I hope they never nerf Kassadin, I want him to hit 100% ban rate. In fact I hope they buff him

The really hilarious thing is that if Kassadin gets through the ban phase, he ends up feeding terribly because no one knows how to play him anymore.

And because people feel forced to pick him even if they have no idea how to play him. He's already near 100% ban rate tbh (at least in diamond).


Is he really that hard to play though?

You need to know his damage and everything, but that is fairly easy to compute. He has almost no skillshot and does not need to really kite.


If you don't have a feel for his ult, you go oom really fast.

A lot of people I see trying him for the first time always complain how his "combo" does nothing.

A lot of people will R for damage at the start of a team fight without Zhonya and die instantly. It took a TLIH for me to stop doing this.

If you don't know how weak his pre-6 is, you feed.

If you're too worried about all of the above, you end up sitting mid all game not snowballing and being worthless.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 14 2014 23:15 GMT
#912
The only hard part about kassadin is figuring out how to make your jungler not come mid pre 6 and feed doubles.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 14 2014 23:22 GMT
#913
On February 15 2014 07:16 oneofthem wrote:
nah he's just banned for 2 years from ogn, or 5 tourneys not including the winter one.

he's not as good as faker but really knows how to put up stats and carry in soloq. if you watch his games he plays a lot safer than faker but does a lot of good calculated ganks.

solo q wise faker doesn't play as much as apdo does and trolls a lot more(watch his first pick blitzcrank support games to get an idea lol), so you can't compare their stats directly. there are a ton of games between them up on youtube.


thing about apdo that attracts people is the unknown factor, the potential. but i don't think he's as good as ryu or ambition at mid at least right now, and potential wise short of pawn.

Apdo determined the fate of Korean s3 challenger solo queu placement for 1st place and 50th place. He's the one true solo queue god.
liftlift > tsm
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
February 14 2014 23:31 GMT
#914
[QUOTE]On February 15 2014 07:33 JazzVortical wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 15 2014 07:18 MattBarry wrote:
I hope they never nerf Kassadin, I want him to hit 100% ban rate. In fact I hope they buff him[/QUOTE]
Ult resets on kills would be hilarious on him
Moar banelings less qq
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 23:39:11
February 14 2014 23:36 GMT
#915
Hey kids, it's a bit late, but check out our NA LCS Week 4 Review!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=443532

Enjoy!

Also, check us out on Reddit too!

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xxvvh/intra_dignitatem_and_the_fall_of_mancloud/
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 14 2014 23:39 GMT
#916
On February 15 2014 08:13 silencefc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 07:49 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 15 2014 07:40 RouaF wrote:
On February 15 2014 07:33 JazzVortical wrote:
On February 15 2014 07:18 MattBarry wrote:
I hope they never nerf Kassadin, I want him to hit 100% ban rate. In fact I hope they buff him

The really hilarious thing is that if Kassadin gets through the ban phase, he ends up feeding terribly because no one knows how to play him anymore.

And because people feel forced to pick him even if they have no idea how to play him. He's already near 100% ban rate tbh (at least in diamond).


Is he really that hard to play though?

You need to know his damage and everything, but that is fairly easy to compute. He has almost no skillshot and does not need to really kite.


If you don't have a feel for his ult, you go oom really fast.

A lot of people I see trying him for the first time always complain how his "combo" does nothing.

A lot of people will R for damage at the start of a team fight without Zhonya and die instantly. It took a TLIH for me to stop doing this.

If you don't know how weak his pre-6 is, you feed.

What's TLIH?
If you're too worried about all of the above, you end up sitting mid all game not snowballing and being worthless.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 14 2014 23:45 GMT
#917
TeamLiquid InHouse. There aren't any on NA atm because they stopped for the noobleague and the noobleague died in silence iirc.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 15 2014 00:02 GMT
#918
On February 15 2014 08:36 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Hey kids, it's a bit late, but check out our NA LCS Week 4 Review!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=443532

Enjoy!

Also, check us out on Reddit too!

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xxvvh/intra_dignitatem_and_the_fall_of_mancloud/





reddit is so crap, cant even get u into the rising tab.
Guess they need more threads of americans sulking they didnt find a girl for flower store day.




maybe in a year when some random guy reposts it you will get frontpage.
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
February 15 2014 00:03 GMT
#919
Is it better to max Q or W on xerath now? Both damage seems comparable but W is a lot easier to land imo lol.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 15 2014 00:08 GMT
#920
On February 15 2014 07:57 oneofthem wrote:
here's a faker blitzcrank troll game. notice how he types how many times he's landed a hook in all chat after each one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TNm20_8w9k

Is that Flame on Renekton? I know it's Ambition of jayce.

I don't know how pro players on the same team don't shittalk each other when they meet in solo queue. It's too much fun to poke fun at your friends
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