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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 24 2013 18:11 kongoline wrote: so fizz gets nerf on his W from 0.35 to 0.15 ap rotio and everybody stopped playing him, i dont get it Cause he's fucking garbage you stupid noob. Literally Olafed. Riot is racist against water dwelling champions. /s | ||
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kongoline
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 24 2013 18:11 kongoline wrote: Really? I still see him banned and played all the time, and most of the time he's an annoying asshole. The fact that he deals billions of dmg with like 7 seconds of untargetability hasn't gone anywhere. Still, it can be even up to a 1.0 ap ratio loss on a gank and that is pretty significant. The ratio never made sense in the first place - .35 ap ratio on a 30 dmg skill? I wonder what people would think if a 350 dmg skill had a 3.5 AP ratio... so fizz gets nerf on his W from 0.35 to 0.15 ap rotio and everybody stopped playing him, i dont get it | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 24 2013 18:31 Shikyo wrote: Really? I still see him banned and played all the time, and most of the time he's an annoying asshole. The fact that he deals billions of dmg with like 7 seconds of untargetability hasn't gone anywhere. Still, it can be even up to a 1.0 ap ratio loss on a gank and that is pretty significant. The ratio never made sense in the first place - .35 ap ratio on a 30 dmg skill? I wonder what people would think if a 350 dmg skill had a 3.5 AP ratio... He's talking about pro matches. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 24 2013 19:07 Shikyo wrote: Oh? Well isn't that because assassins just aren't that good? The other ones took pretty handy nerfs, Fizz got away with a slap on the wrist. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On December 24 2013 18:20 kongoline wrote: isnt he like the only ap champ who can beat kassadin and scales almost as good late game? i wonder why peke decide to play trash counter like renekton instead of fizz I'd argue a lot of champs beat Kassadin in a straight up lane. Kassadin just hard counters your bot lane and snowballs top. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
even Kassadin vs Riven felt fine... until the Riven got like 5 kills on other lanes. Kassadin still is crazy strong lategame and feels almost impossible to lose with if your team gets there almost even. I think his laning is underrated, W is extremely strong even vs AD-based champions if you trade with it aggressively. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 24 2013 19:22 Shikyo wrote: 0.6-1.0 AP ratio on an assassination is a pretty significant nerf if you ask me. .6 at max, but lets face it, not many assassinations by Fizz last that long anyway. Even with only one hit of W and lichbane, his burst is still in the mid 3.Xs in ratios. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On December 24 2013 13:09 wei2coolman wrote: I'm not expecting Vlad to win the match up, but can he at least farm decently in it though? Keep up with in 10 or 20 cs in lane, without dying? I played this matchup in an EUW inhouse last week, me being Mundo, and yes Vlad is basically dead meat. Before he gets pool you can just stand in his minion wave and throw cleavers at him when he shows and if you hit one you take him down to 1/3 HP minimum, and after he gets pool you are also stronger and Vlad basically has to dodge the cleaver or pool it, if it hits and then he pools you can still just run up and start killing him. Also if he pools he basically can't farm for the duration of pool CD. You can also towerdive him at will after level 9 I think. Or at least after you get SV. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Doesn't that even let Hecarim turn on Vi by aiming his ult so that it dodges the CC of Vi's ult and fears her afterwards... | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On December 24 2013 19:36 Fildun wrote: I played this matchup in an EUW inhouse last week, me being Mundo, and yes Vlad is basically dead meat. Before he gets pool you can just stand in his minion wave and throw cleavers at him when he shows and if you hit one you take him down to 1/3 HP minimum, and after he gets pool you are also stronger and Vlad basically has to dodge the cleaver or pool it, if it hits and then he pools you can still just run up and start killing him. Also if he pools he basically can't farm for the duration of pool CD. You can also towerdive him at will after level 9 I think. Or at least after you get SV. Doesn't surprise me at all. Vlad basically autoloses vs. ANYBODY who can get to him early on, especially if they have strong base damages. One cleaver landed at level 2 onwards and he has to pool the second one, or he dies/summoners. Even at level 1, landing a cleaver and just walking at him can already deny incredibly hard because mundo with dshield laughs at auto harass. E at level 2 and from then on out you have very credible kill threat. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 24 2013 18:17 Gahlo wrote: Cause he's fucking garbage you stupid noob. Literally Olafed. Riot is racist against water dwelling champions. /s I really think Fizz's W is pretty garbage beyond the healing reduction. | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 25 2013 00:21 Sufficiency wrote: I really think Fizz's W is pretty garbage beyond the healing reduction. Nah, its beastly for proccing Lichbane when taking towers. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 25 2013 00:24 cLutZ wrote: Nah, its beastly for proccing Lichbane when taking towers. I lol'ed. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 24 2013 21:57 Amui wrote: Doesn't surprise me at all. Vlad basically autoloses vs. ANYBODY who can get to him early on, especially if they have strong base damages. One cleaver landed at level 2 onwards and he has to pool the second one, or he dies/summoners. Even at level 1, landing a cleaver and just walking at him can already deny incredibly hard because mundo with dshield laughs at auto harass. E at level 2 and from then on out you have very credible kill threat. Perhaps, but I think in gold at least, Vlad is decent. Most players are bad and do not know how to properly punish him and/or towerdive Vlad when pool is up. It's hilarious. He is still my go-to top laner when I am forced to play the role. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Not that I'm really complaining, since Chauster's stream is #1. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 25 2013 02:12 wei2coolman wrote: So weird, Chau doesn't play solo queue for like 2 years when on CLG, then he retires. Starts streaming solo queue. Not that I'm really complaining, since Chauster's stream is #1. Gotta make that money now somehow. | ||
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