I remember toyz at worlds saying something like "picking katarina was a stupid moment of arrogance" when scarra picked kat. He was a serious oddball for a while playing kat even post-rework.

remedium

United States939 Posts

December 26 2013 23:06 GMT

#2102

Well, that's because the Kat pick was terrible.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

December 26 2013 23:14 GMT

#2103

On December 27 2013 08:06 remedium wrote:
Well, that's because the Kat pick was terrible.

Lol post rework kat was so broken when you built pure tank with haunting guise. I don't remember if that was the same era when scarra picked it S2 worlds though.

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

December 26 2013 23:15 GMT

#2104

On December 27 2013 08:14 wei2coolman wrote:

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Lol post rework kat was so broken when you built pure tank with haunting guise. I don't remember if that was the same era when scarra picked it S2 worlds though.

It was post rework but scarra did normal APC, he didn't do the vooby/zionspartan AP tank kat. Well zion was AP tank, vooby just went full tank rofl.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

December 26 2013 23:24 GMT

#2105

On December 27 2013 08:15 Fusilero wrote:

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It was post rework but scarra did normal APC, he didn't do the vooby/zionspartan AP tank kat. Well zion was AP tank, vooby just went full tank rofl.

I remember how stupid that build was. Sunfire/haunting guise/sorcboots/abyssal/more defense. Mpen with easy resets was so silly good.

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

December 26 2013 23:33 GMT

#2106

Watching the LMQ stream, seems that evaniskus and nk inc are playing in a team together with goldenglue/jezie/impactful (Idk I'm kinda blank on those names). They don't seem to be doing well though their mid is 1/4 with half of xiaowexaio's cs on syndra.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

December 26 2013 23:52 GMT

#2107

i think im falling in love with playing nami this free week. her kit seems pretty insane and her utility AP scaling is actually relevent unlike some of the post patch supports who like ap.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

December 27 2013 00:00 GMT

#2108

On December 27 2013 08:52 turdburgler wrote:
i think im falling in love with playing nami this free week. her kit seems pretty insane and her utility AP scaling is actually relevent unlike some of the post patch supports who like ap.

Her ap ratios still crappy, not like that really matters since supports on average still just as poor as s3. No real room to itemize ap, just cdr and some active items.

Eppa!

Sweden4641 Posts

December 27 2013 00:08 GMT

#2109

What did people expect with the GP5 rework? It will rarely go beyond haunting guise as support items are very good right now.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

December 27 2013 00:09 GMT

#2110

On December 27 2013 09:00 wei2coolman wrote:

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Her ap ratios still crappy, not like that really matters since supports on average still just as poor as s3. No real room to itemize ap, just cdr and some active items.

you can easily be giving people +100 move speed with your passive, how is that crpapy : l

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

December 27 2013 00:10 GMT

#2111

Wouldnt really call getting 600 ap easy lol

Gahlo

United States35162 Posts

December 27 2013 00:11 GMT

#2112

On December 27 2013 09:08 Eppa! wrote:
What did people expect with the GP5 rework? It will rarely go beyond haunting guise as support items are very good right now.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

December 27 2013 00:19 GMT

#2113

On December 27 2013 09:08 Eppa! wrote:
What did people expect with the GP5 rework? It will rarely go beyond haunting guise as support items are very good right now.

Support items arent good in pre S4. They're just a better choice over AP. People aren't getting items on support in preS4 because items are better. They're getting it because of ward limits and no oracles, so they might as well dump gold in items.

On December 27 2013 09:09 turdburgler wrote:

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you can easily be giving people +100 move speed with your passive, how is that crpapy : l

Yes. And janna can give like 200 bonus ad, but seriously. How much AP are you realisitically itemizing for in a game?

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

December 27 2013 00:34 GMT

#2114

problem is gp item, boots, sightstone =3 slots, possibly need a slot for a pink, thats 2 slots hooray, and if you are playing in a pro game, add mikails and upgrade pink slot to mandatory now you get 1 slot OH MY GOD.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

December 27 2013 00:34 GMT

#2115

jannas problem isnt that her shield doesnt give enough AD so its not really a relevant comparison. janna feels like a waste of space in lane, i dont get that feeling on nami at all.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

December 27 2013 00:36 GMT

#2116

More things change. The more they stay the same.

Scaling issues or not, nami definitely more useful than janna in lane now, but saying that her ap scaling is decent is wrong, and moot. Imo at this point she's just outclassed by leona, thresh, karma, and annie.

Complete

United States1864 Posts

December 27 2013 00:39 GMT

#2117

yo storrzerg i just owned you in Hearthstone Arena QQ sorry

<3

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

December 27 2013 00:47 GMT

#2118

so because she isnt considered top 2 supports out of 117 champs to choose from theres no room to explore playing her and see what she brings to do the table, way to shut down the discussion. and i dont even agree that she is outclassed.

because of the way her w and e work allow you to play from an extremely safe position meaning you can rune and mastery differently and build differently. if you play her along side any of the core set of ADs she makes them win every trade with no risk to herself. so while on most supports im looking to finish my ruby sightstone then head to either aegis or possibly a glacial shroud or wardens mail on nami i think its completely legit to just build the first part of a sightstone and then pick up a chalice.

thresh and leona and even annie need to be played in a way where building a lot of health very quickly is basically required where as nami can go almost straight to other items.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

December 27 2013 00:54 GMT

#2119

I didn't mean to say I didn't like Nami, I actually like her a lot vs most of the played supports except for Annie, I was just commenting on "supports get to build all these fancy new items" isn't all it's cracked up to be.

besides Nami's base damage has always been really good, so throwing in an abyssal can be nice, you get some D, and casting Tidecaller's blessing on the AD doesn't evicirate it's damage.