• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:31
CEST 19:31
KST 02:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course10Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !9Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9> Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
ASL Tickets to Live Event Finals? [ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1880 users

[Patch 3.15] Yasuo General Discussion - Page 105

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 103 104 105 106 107 224 Next
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 26 2013 20:59 GMT
#2081
On December 27 2013 05:53 IamPryda wrote:
looking to pick up a new mid champion liss/ziggs or maybe syndra I was leaning towards ziggs because my main mid is gragas. any suggestions?

Dont really see what gragas and ziggs have in common but he is the strongest of the bunch.
pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
December 26 2013 21:00 GMT
#2082
So after not playing this game for almost 6 months i decided to give it a try.My account was sitting in silver 2.First few games was horrible,didnt know who was op and who isnt,also the new jungling and warding system was quite confusing at first.Then i turned to Elise.This lady brought me to gold 3....I mean its incredible how strong she is.And ppl are still not banning her.I straight up build her tanky after haunting and im putting out insane dmg even to the tanks.Is it just me? Or have I been uber lucky?
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
December 26 2013 21:02 GMT
#2083
On December 27 2013 05:59 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 05:53 IamPryda wrote:
looking to pick up a new mid champion liss/ziggs or maybe syndra I was leaning towards ziggs because my main mid is gragas. any suggestions?

Dont really see what gragas and ziggs have in common but he is the strongest of the bunch.

more poke style I was figuring
Moar banelings less qq
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
December 26 2013 21:18 GMT
#2084
On December 27 2013 06:00 pokerface wrote:
So after not playing this game for almost 6 months i decided to give it a try.My account was sitting in silver 2.First few games was horrible,didnt know who was op and who isnt,also the new jungling and warding system was quite confusing at first.Then i turned to Elise.This lady brought me to gold 3....I mean its incredible how strong she is.And ppl are still not banning her.I straight up build her tanky after haunting and im putting out insane dmg even to the tanks.Is it just me? Or have I been uber lucky?

Elise has really strong ganking but can fall off in team fights, especially if she gets behind. She doesn't quite have the full assassinate or carry or front line power that some of the other junglers have so if you have a team that is lacking in that area and need it then you might have issues.

For gold where "snowball lanes" is a really strong way to play and you have to worry about team comp less she is really strong, probably ban worthy. For higher levels where team comp matter more you may find that she doesn't always get it done.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 26 2013 21:33 GMT
#2085
On December 27 2013 06:00 pokerface wrote:
So after not playing this game for almost 6 months i decided to give it a try.My account was sitting in silver 2.First few games was horrible,didnt know who was op and who isnt,also the new jungling and warding system was quite confusing at first.Then i turned to Elise.This lady brought me to gold 3....I mean its incredible how strong she is.And ppl are still not banning her.I straight up build her tanky after haunting and im putting out insane dmg even to the tanks.Is it just me? Or have I been uber lucky?

It's gold. People don't even own Elise, let alone banning her lol.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 26 2013 21:46 GMT
#2086
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.
liftlift > tsm
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 26 2013 21:46 GMT
#2087
On December 27 2013 05:34 mr_tolkien wrote:
I decided to try playing again.
First game : lags galore (70ms ping in game when I was at 10ms a few months ago and my connection is still good), full freezes for everybody.

Will Riot ever fix this piece of a shit of a server they call EUW ?


you seriously complain about 70 ms ping?
And all is illuminated.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 26 2013 21:48 GMT
#2088
On December 27 2013 06:18 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 06:00 pokerface wrote:
So after not playing this game for almost 6 months i decided to give it a try.My account was sitting in silver 2.First few games was horrible,didnt know who was op and who isnt,also the new jungling and warding system was quite confusing at first.Then i turned to Elise.This lady brought me to gold 3....I mean its incredible how strong she is.And ppl are still not banning her.I straight up build her tanky after haunting and im putting out insane dmg even to the tanks.Is it just me? Or have I been uber lucky?

Elise has really strong ganking but can fall off in team fights, especially if she gets behind. She doesn't quite have the full assassinate or carry or front line power that some of the other junglers have so if you have a team that is lacking in that area and need it then you might have issues.

For gold where "snowball lanes" is a really strong way to play and you have to worry about team comp less she is really strong, probably ban worthy. For higher levels where team comp matter more you may find that she doesn't always get it done.

Higher than diamond 1 where oddone basically carried himself to with basically only spider? Or higher than ogn winter where she is basically 100% pick / ban?
Freeeeeeedom
pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
December 26 2013 21:49 GMT
#2089
The way u guys speak about gold makes me feel like its the new bronze Things changed in half a year
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 26 2013 21:51 GMT
#2090
If you wanted to argue that Elise is better at some levels than others, you ought to think that she is better at the higher levels. She isnt that strong when everyone is on 6 items, which can happen in low levels because nobody knows when and how to push. If you know how to do that though, you will be able to snowball before that level is reached.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
December 26 2013 21:58 GMT
#2091
On December 27 2013 06:49 pokerface wrote:
The way u guys speak about gold makes me feel like its the new bronze Things changed in half a year


¨
Bronze/silver/gold is roughly the same and that will probably never change. I say this having played at least 100 games in all 3 tiers on various smurfs. I gotta admit that people are usually more toxic in gold than silver and bronze, because people think they're god for being gold, but other than that it's the same.
hi
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
December 26 2013 22:31 GMT
#2092
On December 27 2013 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.


If scarra played SC2 he'd be on EG
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 26 2013 22:33 GMT
#2093
On December 27 2013 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.


0 4 0 sick game.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 26 2013 22:38 GMT
#2094
Ziggs being fotm mid makes me sad, because it probably means he will be nerfed soon. Just like Riven-chan.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
December 26 2013 22:46 GMT
#2095
On December 27 2013 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.

When was this?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-26 22:48:15
December 26 2013 22:47 GMT
#2096
On December 27 2013 07:38 Osmoses wrote:
Ziggs being fotm mid makes me sad, because it probably means he will be nerfed soon. Just like Riven-chan.

Ziggs is pretty broken right now though. There's no denying that.
On December 27 2013 07:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.

When was this?

Scarra was pretty good season 2.
liftlift > tsm
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 26 2013 22:51 GMT
#2097
On December 27 2013 07:47 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 07:38 Osmoses wrote:
Ziggs being fotm mid makes me sad, because it probably means he will be nerfed soon. Just like Riven-chan.

Ziggs is pretty broken right now though. There's no denying that.
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 07:46 Gahlo wrote:
On December 27 2013 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.

When was this?

Scarra was pretty good season 2.

His kit is fine I think, but his passive is probably gonna get gutted.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-26 22:52:29
December 26 2013 22:52 GMT
#2098
On December 27 2013 07:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.

When was this?

s2/early s3? I recall a number of folks praising Scarra's mid play. I got kennen'd t-t
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 26 2013 22:52 GMT
#2099
On December 27 2013 07:52 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 07:46 Gahlo wrote:
On December 27 2013 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.

When was this?

s2/early s3? I recall a number of folks praising Scarra's mid play.

Scarra used to be NA Froggen because he was great at farming.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 26 2013 22:57 GMT
#2100
On December 27 2013 07:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 07:52 Parnage wrote:
On December 27 2013 07:46 Gahlo wrote:
On December 27 2013 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching scarra stream solo queue hurts my soul, he's gotten so bad qq. I remember when this guy used to be considered the best mid in NA.

When was this?

s2/early s3? I recall a number of folks praising Scarra's mid play.

Scarra used to be NA Froggen because he was great at farming.

I remember when dig went to korea and scarra picked kat in kr solo queue. Minds were blown. (Pre rework kat)
liftlift > tsm
Prev 1 103 104 105 106 107 224 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#51
RotterdaM634
TKL 255
IndyStarCraft 203
SteadfastSC142
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 634
TKL 255
IndyStarCraft 203
SteadfastSC 142
MaxPax 136
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4554
Bisu 1752
Jaedong 829
EffOrt 524
Mini 472
Hyuk 207
ZerO 200
Snow 163
Dewaltoss 160
Rush 130
[ Show more ]
firebathero 128
Soulkey 121
Mong 46
ggaemo 36
Aegong 35
HiyA 35
Hyun 32
Rock 20
Hm[arnc] 17
sorry 12
IntoTheRainbow 10
SilentControl 9
Movie 5
Dota 2
Gorgc5904
monkeys_forever493
NeuroSwarm92
Counter-Strike
fl0m5287
olofmeister2348
Fnx 1447
pashabiceps1241
byalli300
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK12
Other Games
Grubby4840
FrodaN1982
Liquid`RaSZi1375
Hui .224
KnowMe199
C9.Mang0146
Livibee64
Trikslyr51
ZerO(Twitch)14
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 85
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 40
• FirePhoenix4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• WagamamaTV386
• Shiphtur258
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 29m
CranKy Ducklings
16h 29m
Afreeca Starleague
16h 29m
Light vs Flash
INu's Battles
17h 29m
ByuN vs herO
PiGosaur Cup
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
OSC
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL
5 days
GSL
5 days
Cure vs TBD
TBD vs Maru
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W7
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.