EPT[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 112
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:50 Fusilero wrote: Because people were whining about how supports are so poor and how ADCs never check their privileges and rito thinks that being poor is anti-fun. I personally had more fun with S3 support, winning vision wars was so satisfying but different strokes for different blokes I suppose. i never bought wards as support to start with so my fun levels have gone up. it felt like in s3 once the AD bought a bf sword i might aswell afk because i cant risk poking at all because 1 shot back from them was worth 5 of my pokes, and at best i was a shield bitch for my ad. now i feel relevant either as an initiator/cc bot or as a real damage threat. ive always enjoyed playing tanky supports the most and now i actually get to do that ;O | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:59 turdburgler wrote: i never bought wards as support to start with so my fun levels have gone up. it felt like in s3 once the AD bought a bf sword i might aswell afk because i cant risk poking at all because 1 shot back from them was worth 5 of my pokes, and at best i was a shield bitch for my ad. now i feel relevant either as an initiator/cc bot or as a real damage threat. ive always enjoyed playing tanky supports the most and now i actually get to do that ;O I never had that problem because I just spammed thresh as support, who needs money when you got souls yo. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:53 imBLIND wrote: The trinket upgrades needs to enable people to go above the 3 ward limit, scan the whole map, and have oracles for 30 secs. There is just an extreme lack of vision in the game right now and it's getting really frustrating honestly, there should be more vision now than pre season 4 even with new ward limits. it's just that 4 of 5 players on the average solo q pub team is used to never warding except during laning. I see people with unused trinket wards 20, 30 minutes into the game far far too often. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:44 Gahlo wrote: There's a reason Morello said that Janna will be getting buffs. He said that...is there a reason to believe it? | ||
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
how would you get more vision if everyone gets to 6 items almost immediately after laning phase. You get 1-2 wards per player and you have decent map contorl until midgame, then the map slowly goes dark. I guess fnatic is very happy about this? Edit: To elaborate, because I know someone's gonna make the argument that "4 tinkets (assuming 1 red, I prefer 2 reds but let's be charitable)+ sightstone" = 7 wards. Now ward coverage becomes a predictable dancing game and opens up random engagement timings and ambushes. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 02 2013 07:23 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote: @ryu how would you get more vision if everyone gets to 6 items almost immediately after laning phase. You get 1-2 wards per player and you have decent map contorl until midgame, then it the map slowly goes dark. I guess fnatic is very happy about this? 1 ward per non-support + 3 wards for support. That's 7 wards - be honest, pre-3.14 how often as support did you have over 7 wards on the map at a time? | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 02 2013 07:14 Nos- wrote: why does fiddle fear exist the real question is why does it last forever | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 02 2013 07:28 turdburgler wrote: the real question is why does it last forever I once ran fiddle support with my friend on rammus, I proceeded to spam CDR items. Oh god the CC chaining it was disgusting. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On December 02 2013 07:24 Ryuu314 wrote: 1 ward per non-support + 3 wards for support. That's 7 wards - be honest, pre-3.14 how often as support did you have over 7 wards on the map at a time? The more often, the better. Very often people would buy 3 vision wards on top of the sightstone after laning phase, and then it transitioned into a green ward fight with oracles. You didn't have 7 out all the time though. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
 Besides that I have to say that it feels good to oneshot an ADC as Taric while you lose only 10% of your life. Although it feels less fun when a random Nocturne ults in to steal the kill. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 02 2013 07:31 Fusilero wrote: I once ran fiddle support with my friend on rammus, I proceeded to spam CDR items. Oh god the CC chaining it was disgusting. "We may not kill you very fast, but if we catch you, you aren't escaping!" edit: a quote | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On December 02 2013 07:07 Ethelis wrote: I love pinking the river bushes near the old banana bush really early. Those things easily last me 15+ mins of the game. Pinking the bush above/below red buff is kinda neat as well early on since it's not too hard to defend. yeah pinks early in your own jungle are great for free kills against counter jungling | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
Sad Robot Amumu - Already received Almost Prom King, so a bit put out about a double up, but Sad Robot > Prom King, so plus for that Bilgewater Kat - Not bad, would have liked something else, but no complaints Gatekeeper Galio - Awwwww yeaaa, gimme that Legendary | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On December 02 2013 07:39 Fildun wrote: Am I the only one here who actually thinks that playing support with no items and just oracles + sightstone was more fun? I miss oracles + ward wars already Besides that I have to say that it feels good to oneshot an ADC as Taric while you lose only 10% of your life. Although it feels less fun when a random Nocturne ults in to steal the kill. at first I was really sad, but then I got used to it and I like it, not more, not less it's just different. the gold is a little high though. the only part that still gets me is the stress from no vision ever. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On December 02 2013 07:24 Ryuu314 wrote: 1 ward per non-support + 3 wards for support. That's 7 wards - be honest, pre-3.14 how often as support did you have over 7 wards on the map at a time? A lot? I usually had 5-6 wards on my own. Ruby SS is 3, plus I'd get 4-5 more. The other thing that makes vision control riskier is that support can now be a credible threat, meaning that if you bump into a support you could get murdered when trying to ward, or conversely, if you die it could mean much more. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:01 kainzero wrote: A lot? I usually had 5-6 wards on my own. Ruby SS is 3, plus I'd get 4-5 more. The other thing that makes vision control riskier is that support can now be a credible threat, meaning that if you bump into a support you could get murdered when trying to ward, or conversely, if you die it could mean much more. I really think people still are underestimating how much gold the support gets now. If you have a decent laning phase and can get that assist streak going, its not uncommon to see a support get 2-3 expensive tanky items + sightstone and have the upgraded red sweeper ward. I mean, people laugh when they think of bruiser AP Thresh, but then you try it out and watch him fuck up an enemy back line so much. Hook a champ, dive in, flay and throw down the box, and you're hitting for 100-200 chunks of damage on all those attacks and causing major chaos, all the while you're sitting on 2500 HP or so with locket + sunrise + abyssal. | ||
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