EPT[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 45
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23355 Posts
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Pecul
Sweden116 Posts
New Sivir is quite strong imo. The W harass is hard to stop and she doesn't run out of mana as fast as before. Oh, and her ulti is follow-up for a initiate and chasing. Pesky champs like Ezreal and Nidalee won't escape!  New Nasus VO is good imo but the old one was still slightly better. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23355 Posts
Wriggles is so expensive however, it's like an investment. At least you only have to farm once every 45 seconds to cash in on the max bonus from SoTAG. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 01 2013 23:48 Slayer91 wrote: New spirit of the ancient golem giving 40 gold/minute. Not sure if worth. Wriggles with 40% more jungle farm gold might be better. Maybe get both and farm up though. You can't get both. Players are limited to one "gold generation" item at a time, and jungle items are included. Out of the jungle items, it's the only one that gives defensive stats (Tenacity and Health), so even being a bit lower on the gold scale (6 gp10 is still higher than current gold items, though) it should still see picks. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23355 Posts
I mean wriggles is a 600 gold investment and SoTAG like 700 gold investment so you have to farm up like 1300 bonus gold to make it "worth". (but that doesn't include the fact that you farm faster, the guy who camps lanes with SotAG only might fall behind on xp a bit more, unless he leeches) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-__rsxmNcT2A/UnMtYWtrnbI/AAAAAAAAIxY/TWpM-uA4z04/s1600/ancientgolem.png) Look at the very last line. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23355 Posts
SoTAG is still charging 675 gold for tenacity+regen+thegp10+minion bonus. Considering the regen and minion bonus go to waste in teamfights and tenacity value isn't that high because its cheap on mercs I'd say you want to have it for at least 10 minutes to make it a good buy. (but then again if you farm too slow without it maybe you don't have a choice, wriggles sucks even more for most junglers) | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Edit: wait they changed it, they removed their item changes tables after Riot posted. It was in the tables, but it's not in the posts. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I do like how they've made all gold generation items completely un-viable for non supports/junglers tho. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23355 Posts
On November 01 2013 23:56 Requizen wrote: I'm just taking from S@20, they have shots of everything. I do like how they've made all gold generation items completely un-viable for non supports/junglers tho. not like anyone bought them really anyway. They killed them ages ago when everyone bought them wriggles is a lot better on yi. Jungle yi just rushes wriggles and constant farms jungle with TP/Smite and TP ganks after 6 to get kills when you can, or defend towers if necessary. this playstyle was surprisingly good before and it gets a lot better if yi gets more farm and can tp to towers at a only 3 minute cd. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
is diamond 1 98 LP already with a 83-17 record lol | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 02 2013 00:00 Slayer91 wrote: not like anyone bought them really anyway. They killed them ages ago when everyone bought them wriggles is a lot better on yi. Jungle yi just rushes wriggles and constant farms jungle with TP/Smite and TP ganks after 6 to get kills when you can, or defend towers if necessary. this playstyle was surprisingly good before and it gets a lot better if yi gets more farm and can tp to towers at a only 3 minute cd. While that's true, SotEL arguably gives better "combat stats" (AD and CDR being powerful on him, as well as the extra true damage on his true damage), so he's not relying on his decent-but-nothing-special base numbers if he has to countergank or dragon fight before getting other items. On the other hand, Wriggle's likely leaves him at fuller health in the jungle (could be wrong, don't feel like doing regen math for SotEL) and allows him to apply his E's base true damage more with the AS, so it's kind of a wash? I'd be really interested to see someone do the math and see how combat plays out with both items, tbh. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23355 Posts
Probably taric will go like philo stone-->chain vest giants belt kindle gem into frozen heart hue. (need a health base to be tanky before resist cost effectiveness is anywhere close to hp and then you go for armour+cdr. Probably get randuins+FH so you can auto people without worrying about what their adc is doing) spirit of the elder lizard is obviously a better item but the point is you farming 4 camps a minute or something so 40% more gold is a LOT. 25 AD is only 875 gold after all. The true damage isn't that much on lizard anyway. Yi probably wants to rush like IE Botrk or something now anyway lol. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I rather like IE/Shiv, IE/LW also works. BotRK is cool but straight damage feels much better on him unless you really want the active. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23355 Posts
It doesn't require much coordination, 200 hp is bigger than the adcs damage so you can just make sure to steal his creep at high enough hp LW+IE+Wriggles sounds about right, cause of the 20% attack speed from wriggles+highlander. Then get mercs or something and get shiv afterwards. honestly that martyrs call item is terrible id prefer to buy a giants belt and be done with it if I want hp. (get randuins or sunfire later huehue) the key to playing a support with terrible utility like taric is to bait their adc into attacking you a lot so you can end up being as useful as someone like sona or janna who can actually do shit you actually should do decent damage to him if you have enough armour and maybe sunfire//thornmail +your passive ad+radiance ad | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
Excitement. | ||
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