• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:59
CET 11:59
KST 19:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League73Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
Oceanic Brood War - Join and chat! Bot on ladder Do we even care about balance? [Recap] 0-6 Defeat for Mong's Team BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9573 users

[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 46

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 44 45 46 47 48 210 Next
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 01 2013 15:22 GMT
#901
Well I will be a bit happy having more gold as support, cause I love love going ruby sightstone > boots5 > warmogs Thresh. It's just too strong.
Hey! How you doin'?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2013 15:23 GMT
#902
On November 01 2013 23:56 Requizen wrote:
I do like how they've made all gold generation items completely un-viable for non supports/junglers tho.

That's the part that I primarily dislike.
Moderator
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 15:25:00
November 01 2013 15:24 GMT
#903
after you spent so long arguing that good players never got gp10s because it was better to buy items that are good for lanes when gp10s were popular
yango pls
staphp the hipstering
aka Teutonica
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 15:27:23
November 01 2013 15:25 GMT
#904
How is that inconsistent with disliking the way they're approaching these gold items?

Also, reflecting back, my understanding of gold items back then was far too simplistic. I made the issue far more binary than it should have been.
Moderator
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 15:26 GMT
#905
Taric has always been just 100% bodyguard in my eyes. He can't do the teamfight thing, though his roaming would be good if roaming support wasn't mostly shit right now. He just hugs his ADC and combo's anyone who comes close, unless he can pick someone with stun.

If Executioner's Emblem gave Armor like it used to it would actually be a bit better for him. As of right now I don't think he works well with any of the items.

Should run him top with IBG, proc + passive = lulz.
It's your boy Guzma!
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
November 01 2013 15:26 GMT
#906
I wonder if Soraka will be a stronger solo-laner now. Love me some top-raka
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2013 15:30 GMT
#907
On November 02 2013 00:26 Dusty wrote:
I wonder if Soraka will be a stronger solo-laner now. Love me some top-raka

I feel like her kit was always better made to be a farming champ, it's just that when she was OP, she was strong enough without farm to be a support, and when she got nerfed into the ground she wasn't good anywhere.
Moderator
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 01 2013 15:32 GMT
#908
What stops you now from just running a multi bruiser team since everyone gets free gold.

Last time I watched NACL some team beat a team (Curse (Academy?) (?)) with like Lee/Lissandra bot lane and AP Corki Mid. Feel like support Jarvan gonna be pretty strong.
Administrator@TL_Zess
| (• ◡•)|八 (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 01 2013 15:33 GMT
#909
On November 02 2013 00:32 xes wrote:
What stops you now from just running a multi bruiser team since everyone gets free gold.

Last time I watched NACL some team beat a team (Curse (Academy?) (?)) with like Lee/Lissandra bot lane and AP Corki Mid. Feel like support Jarvan gonna be pretty strong.

Ad+support strongest duo in lane.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
November 01 2013 15:35 GMT
#910
hopefully nothing, have not read new change notes so i have 100% no clue what's going on but it would be really cool if more champions could be played in multiple roles rather than being pigeonholed into support etc
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 15:35 GMT
#911
On November 02 2013 00:32 xes wrote:
What stops you now from just running a multi bruiser team since everyone gets free gold.

Last time I watched NACL some team beat a team (Curse (Academy?) (?)) with like Lee/Lissandra bot lane and AP Corki Mid. Feel like support Jarvan gonna be pretty strong.

Anyone with proper zoning and range control says "hi".
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 15:38:35
November 01 2013 15:38 GMT
#912
"Double bruiser" bot lane was actually much closer to "roaming support + 1v2" when it was prevalent. Other than looking for that level 1/2 all-in, you weren't going to lane something like Taric+Shen 2v2 against ranged AD+Support for an extended period of time. Depending on whether or not the 2v2 all-in was a possibility or not against their lane, Taric might just go roam full-time anyway.

Roaming support just flat-out wouldn't work in the current game, and with how the new support gold items will work, it will be even less favorable. Riot just doesn't want it to be a thing, which will naturally favor supports/duo laners that are stronger in lane.
Moderator
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 15:41 GMT
#913
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3
It's your boy Guzma!
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 15:43:29
November 01 2013 15:41 GMT
#914
I'm looking forward to Galio support being back :>

I remember Chauster tried it in CLG, but it just never worked due to Galio dying too fast.

@Req:



The ritual has begun. Satan's work is done!
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 01 2013 15:53 GMT
#915
On November 02 2013 00:41 Requizen wrote:
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3


WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2013 15:53 GMT
#916
On November 02 2013 00:41 Requizen wrote:
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3

Doesn't one of the trinkets detect invisible non-champion units?
Moderator
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
November 01 2013 15:55 GMT
#917
On November 02 2013 00:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 00:41 Requizen wrote:
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3

Doesn't one of the trinkets detect invisible non-champion units?

Yes but... Tee- I see what you did there.
3.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 15:58 GMT
#918
On November 02 2013 00:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 00:41 Requizen wrote:
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3

Doesn't one of the trinkets detect invisible non-champion units?

3 minute CD (down to 2.5 and 1.5 later) for an AoE 4 second reveal and disable. Even if they blow it on a large field (around baron or the like) they'll only get a couple and you can place them waaaay faster than they can destroy them.

That said, it was mostly tongue-in-cheek I mean it's true that free vision will be a lot more valuable, so that'll be a nice boost.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 01 2013 15:59 GMT
#919
On November 02 2013 00:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 00:26 Dusty wrote:
I wonder if Soraka will be a stronger solo-laner now. Love me some top-raka

I feel like her kit was always better made to be a farming champ, it's just that when she was OP, she was strong enough without farm to be a support, and when she got nerfed into the ground she wasn't good anywhere.



Soraka/Corki and Soraka/Ezreal (Soraka/Caitlyn to some extent too) are all very decent lanes, the problem is that every single good support right now has hard-cc and way more utility overall than heals. It's hard to abuse and it´s easy to counter against proper players.
hi
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 16:02 GMT
#920
Soraka is a decent pick but requires a specific playstyle and crumples pretty easily if camped/pressured too hard. I think Soraka/Cait against any lane that isn't hard engage like Leona is pretty good, you can just shove and siege like no one's business.

You'll start to regret it after one jungle/mid dive or gank, though. The boost in S4 (increasing healing at lower health) will be a pretty nice boost, though.
It's your boy Guzma!
Prev 1 44 45 46 47 48 210 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 1m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 6066
Calm 5634
firebathero 2847
Rain 2417
Horang2 1250
Hyuk 404
Soulkey 352
EffOrt 242
Larva 218
Soma 211
[ Show more ]
Rush 203
Light 130
Mind 124
Pusan 117
JYJ 105
Mini 82
ZerO 73
ggaemo 48
Killer 33
ToSsGirL 31
Shinee 28
Snow 28
sorry 27
Movie 25
Sharp 24
Terrorterran 23
ZergMaN 22
Sacsri 21
Creator 19
Hm[arnc] 12
yabsab 12
Aegong 9
Noble 8
zelot 5
Dota 2
Gorgc11527
ODPixel256
XcaliburYe78
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1141
dupreeh1123
Other Games
Happy391
Pyrionflax269
Livibee267
crisheroes203
B2W.Neo200
ZerO(Twitch)6
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL25226
Other Games
gamesdonequick960
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 238
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 32
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV190
League of Legends
• Stunt405
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
1h 1m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
1d 13h
The PondCast
1d 23h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.