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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 01 2013 15:22 GMT
#901
Well I will be a bit happy having more gold as support, cause I love love going ruby sightstone > boots5 > warmogs Thresh. It's just too strong.
Hey! How you doin'?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2013 15:23 GMT
#902
On November 01 2013 23:56 Requizen wrote:
I do like how they've made all gold generation items completely un-viable for non supports/junglers tho.

That's the part that I primarily dislike.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 15:25:00
November 01 2013 15:24 GMT
#903
after you spent so long arguing that good players never got gp10s because it was better to buy items that are good for lanes when gp10s were popular
yango pls
staphp the hipstering
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 15:27:23
November 01 2013 15:25 GMT
#904
How is that inconsistent with disliking the way they're approaching these gold items?

Also, reflecting back, my understanding of gold items back then was far too simplistic. I made the issue far more binary than it should have been.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 15:26 GMT
#905
Taric has always been just 100% bodyguard in my eyes. He can't do the teamfight thing, though his roaming would be good if roaming support wasn't mostly shit right now. He just hugs his ADC and combo's anyone who comes close, unless he can pick someone with stun.

If Executioner's Emblem gave Armor like it used to it would actually be a bit better for him. As of right now I don't think he works well with any of the items.

Should run him top with IBG, proc + passive = lulz.
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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
November 01 2013 15:26 GMT
#906
I wonder if Soraka will be a stronger solo-laner now. Love me some top-raka
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2013 15:30 GMT
#907
On November 02 2013 00:26 Dusty wrote:
I wonder if Soraka will be a stronger solo-laner now. Love me some top-raka

I feel like her kit was always better made to be a farming champ, it's just that when she was OP, she was strong enough without farm to be a support, and when she got nerfed into the ground she wasn't good anywhere.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 01 2013 15:32 GMT
#908
What stops you now from just running a multi bruiser team since everyone gets free gold.

Last time I watched NACL some team beat a team (Curse (Academy?) (?)) with like Lee/Lissandra bot lane and AP Corki Mid. Feel like support Jarvan gonna be pretty strong.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 01 2013 15:33 GMT
#909
On November 02 2013 00:32 xes wrote:
What stops you now from just running a multi bruiser team since everyone gets free gold.

Last time I watched NACL some team beat a team (Curse (Academy?) (?)) with like Lee/Lissandra bot lane and AP Corki Mid. Feel like support Jarvan gonna be pretty strong.

Ad+support strongest duo in lane.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
November 01 2013 15:35 GMT
#910
hopefully nothing, have not read new change notes so i have 100% no clue what's going on but it would be really cool if more champions could be played in multiple roles rather than being pigeonholed into support etc
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 15:35 GMT
#911
On November 02 2013 00:32 xes wrote:
What stops you now from just running a multi bruiser team since everyone gets free gold.

Last time I watched NACL some team beat a team (Curse (Academy?) (?)) with like Lee/Lissandra bot lane and AP Corki Mid. Feel like support Jarvan gonna be pretty strong.

Anyone with proper zoning and range control says "hi".
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 15:38:35
November 01 2013 15:38 GMT
#912
"Double bruiser" bot lane was actually much closer to "roaming support + 1v2" when it was prevalent. Other than looking for that level 1/2 all-in, you weren't going to lane something like Taric+Shen 2v2 against ranged AD+Support for an extended period of time. Depending on whether or not the 2v2 all-in was a possibility or not against their lane, Taric might just go roam full-time anyway.

Roaming support just flat-out wouldn't work in the current game, and with how the new support gold items will work, it will be even less favorable. Riot just doesn't want it to be a thing, which will naturally favor supports/duo laners that are stronger in lane.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 15:41 GMT
#913
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3
It's your boy Guzma!
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 15:43:29
November 01 2013 15:41 GMT
#914
I'm looking forward to Galio support being back :>

I remember Chauster tried it in CLG, but it just never worked due to Galio dying too fast.

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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 01 2013 15:53 GMT
#915
On November 02 2013 00:41 Requizen wrote:
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3


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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2013 15:53 GMT
#916
On November 02 2013 00:41 Requizen wrote:
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3

Doesn't one of the trinkets detect invisible non-champion units?
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Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
November 01 2013 15:55 GMT
#917
On November 02 2013 00:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 00:41 Requizen wrote:
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3

Doesn't one of the trinkets detect invisible non-champion units?

Yes but... Tee- I see what you did there.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 15:58 GMT
#918
On November 02 2013 00:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 00:41 Requizen wrote:
Reminder to all that with ward limits being enforced and pink wards being visible, Teemo now is the most viable champion in the game after Eve.

:3

Doesn't one of the trinkets detect invisible non-champion units?

3 minute CD (down to 2.5 and 1.5 later) for an AoE 4 second reveal and disable. Even if they blow it on a large field (around baron or the like) they'll only get a couple and you can place them waaaay faster than they can destroy them.

That said, it was mostly tongue-in-cheek I mean it's true that free vision will be a lot more valuable, so that'll be a nice boost.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 01 2013 15:59 GMT
#919
On November 02 2013 00:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 00:26 Dusty wrote:
I wonder if Soraka will be a stronger solo-laner now. Love me some top-raka

I feel like her kit was always better made to be a farming champ, it's just that when she was OP, she was strong enough without farm to be a support, and when she got nerfed into the ground she wasn't good anywhere.



Soraka/Corki and Soraka/Ezreal (Soraka/Caitlyn to some extent too) are all very decent lanes, the problem is that every single good support right now has hard-cc and way more utility overall than heals. It's hard to abuse and it´s easy to counter against proper players.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2013 16:02 GMT
#920
Soraka is a decent pick but requires a specific playstyle and crumples pretty easily if camped/pressured too hard. I think Soraka/Cait against any lane that isn't hard engage like Leona is pretty good, you can just shove and siege like no one's business.

You'll start to regret it after one jungle/mid dive or gank, though. The boost in S4 (increasing healing at lower health) will be a pretty nice boost, though.
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