EPT[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 43
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote: That's a really poor comparison because historically Froggen has shown far more issues with being held back by his personal playstyle than Faker has to date. That's why he's less awesome. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:41 Slusher wrote: I guess I could start saying my Mazda 3 is basically a less awesome 911 by that logic, I mean it's the same really other than not being a porshe. As a car enthusiast, that comparison gave me cancer. On October 04 2013 05:40 TheYango wrote: The thing about Faker is that even on champs that have an "unnatural" playstyle to him (one that's entirely unlike the playstyle of his comfort champs) his individual skill is so high that it's hard to say it holds him back. I don't think you could ever say this was the case for Froggen. There was always a very clear divide between what was comfortable to him (defensive/reactive, farm-oriented teamfight mid heroes) and what wasn't. True enough, but we did see Faker get abused on his aggressive picks though. I guess, to clarify this point. Faker is better on his defensive/farm picks, than he is on his aggressive ones, but just right now almost no one is good enough to really force him off his offensive picks. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:43 wei2coolman wrote: As a car enthusiast, that comparison gave me cancer. as a fan of competitive LoL, Exactly. Honestly I don't even think Faker is as good as his hype, he's really fucking good, but he's given way too much credit on such a balanced team. I've said it before but if you look at the difference between OGN spring SKT and OGN summer SKT. In spring Faker could not solo carry his team (as has been implied many times throughout worlds) in OGN summer Piglet arose as a secondary threat as well as Bengi being much improved and suddenly they were the best team in Korea. That said beyond playing the same role, Froggen and him have very little in common. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I think you underestimate how good Froggen is. Some how if you don't make it to Worlds, it must mean your skill dropped off the deep end? | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Now wickd, that's someone who is overrated. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:47 wei2coolman wrote: I think you underestimate how good Froggen is. Some how if you don't make it to Worlds, it must mean your skill dropped off the deep end? Froggen isn't exactly universally good. he has a large champion pool, but very few of his champions stretch outside of his comfort zone of style. He's a 1 position mid laner, which should do well in this mid driven meta, but he likes to play for the slow advantage instead of taking advantage as he advantages come. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:49 wei2coolman wrote: Was wickd ever rated? Aside from when Irelia was actually viable? Idk it still feels like people consider wickd equal to froggen or still a world class top when I haven't seen him be close to either for a long time. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:47 wei2coolman wrote: I think you underestimate how good Froggen is. Some how if you don't make it to Worlds, it must mean your skill dropped off the deep end? when Froggen was considered the best mid in the world his claim to fame was the fastest to 300 cs record. He has adapted to the more agressive mid meta, but is maybe like the 3rd or 4th best EU mid at it.(I'd take Peke, Alex and even Nukeduck first) They don't share much about playstyle other than being their teams primary carry as opposed to the AD, which isn't even that uncommon anymore. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
Creates a team that has potential to be solid, but weakens a lot of teams in the progress. On October 04 2013 05:46 Requizen wrote: As someone who knows little about the EU scene and less about cars, so what do you guys think of Mafia Jinx? Worth the money or is base better? Absolutely. W shoots the winebottle cork instead, hilarious dance, and recall makes it rain. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:52 Gahlo wrote: Creates a team that has potential to be solid, but weakens a lot of teams in the progress. Absolutely. W shoots the winebottle cork instead, hilarious dance, and recall makes it rain. Tbh if copenhagen pups loses shook I honestly don't think they'll qualify for LCS. Which probably means another 10 weeks of MYM trying to do the same strat over and over. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:46 Requizen wrote: As someone who knows little about the EU scene and less about cars, so what do you guys think of Mafia Jinx? Worth the money or is base better? I don't like it because it feels like the worst mafia skin. But that doesn't mean its bad. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
On October 04 2013 05:31 Seuss wrote: It's an interesting discussion based on a bad premise. Many of Mauzel's conclusions hinge on the idea that itemization is important for killing dragon and stealing buffs. The truth is that even in Silver play killing dragon and counter-jungling are 95% player positioning/lane situations/vision and 5% itemization. If you're consistently taking free dragons solo it's because your lanes are winning the game for you. It's irrelevant whether killing dragons is 100% or 5% itemization when you are comparing two item builds. Furthermore, it's not just that I am consistently taking free dragons. The fact that I can take dragon by myself, (regardless of whether I do it or not) is pressure in and of itself. You can ult into pit and pink it and see if there are any wards. Sometimes players place wards such that they cannot see inside the pit. You cannot take advantage of this situation if you have ancient golem. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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