[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 44

On October 04 2013 06:39 red_ wrote:
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On October 04 2013 06:46 PrinceXizor wrote:

I will say that i feel just madreds and then spending the rest of the 1400 that you'd spent on ancient golem on a cowl benefits you more than just going ancient golem, ON certain junglers who don't suffer from clearing issues

On October 04 2013 06:53 remedium wrote:


I don't think you can discount how strong golem is as an item though, the tenacity alone is incredibly versatile.

On October 04 2013 06:39 red_ wrote:
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1500 gold build, dinged 7 off killing drag: + Show Spoiler +

On October 04 2013 07:05 Slusher wrote:
ancient golem not good on 4th position are you even reading what you are writing?

On October 04 2013 07:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
I don't believe the difference of tenacity 10% cdr and 300 hp in a dead ended item is strictly superior to having 25 armor and 45 magic resist in a combination that can be built into further items with 1300 more gold.

Ancient golem is good yes. But there are situations in which cowl madreds is superior. Assuming the 4th position jungler role and not a 2-3 position like Meteos plays. since i have no concept of how to make that functional in lol.

On October 04 2013 05:52 Gahlo wrote:
Creates a team that has potential to be solid, but weakens a lot of teams in the progress.

On October 04 2013 07:07 PrinceXizor wrote:

Are you reading what i'm writing? because it really doesn't seem like you are. here let me help you:



i'd suggest you actually understand what you are reading before responding. and if you are understanding it but intentionally misrepresenting what i'm saying because you dislike me, then please refrain from posting. as it adds nothing to the discussion and only is attempting to bait an argument over nothing.

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On October 04 2013 07:13 Slusher wrote:


if you are playing 4th position and your team needs a locket for that game, guess who's making it. guess what teams lockets are the best vs. you guessed it double ap, when is this situation where cowl is a good first buy on 4th position jungle?

be specific.

On October 04 2013 07:13 Slusher wrote:

p.s. the phrase dead end item is non-existent from the 4th position.

On October 04 2013 07:25 TheLink wrote:
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On October 04 2013 07:21 PrinceXizor wrote:

IN 4th position and your team needs a locket, currently it is not the trend to finish that locket before finishing Spirit of the ancient golem. so my statement of replacing the 2000 gold spirit stone with a 700 gold madreds and 1400 gold cowl does not delay your locket by a noticable margin. If you intend to be fighting early and through your early jungle a madreds is strictly superior to a spirit stone from within combat's point of view provided you are on a jungler who does not clear dangerously. Comparatively from a parts point of view the ruby + negatron also allows for a stronger fight on certain champions (those not entirely reliant on cdr for combat effectiveness) than the kindle gem and spare change.
IN those situations it would be prudent to consider whether you should be going for a cookie cutter golem -> locket build or you should divurge, knowing you will need to rapidly increase your effectiveness post locket and go madreds -> cowl -> locket. as the secondary option provides you with a way for 1350 gold to rapidly upgrade yourself with either banshees veil or spirit visage.


I completely agree, thats why teams who have a 4th position jungler don't attempt to build any more than dorans items on their junglers.


You also have to keep inmind that the spirit stone upgrades are all about ramping up to that final iteration, while madreds provides an immediate gain to jungling speed and enables some junglers who otherwise do not enjoy clearing double golems to do so and protect that lane better as they made need based on the situation in lanes.


Specifically i'd suggest that If you are running a jungler that isn't entirely reliant on cooldowns, in which your effectiveness in skirmishes and team fights is needed sooner rather than later, and you have drafted a team that needs a mid game presence, that cowl + madreds should be superior on many junglers to just stock standard rushing ancient golem.

On October 04 2013 07:32 Slusher wrote:

except for in this case (as opposed to finishing golem) you are finishing an item for selfish reasons by building personal MR before locket (which provides MR)

when you finish golem you are getting stats that you would not otherwise get, by making a cowl you are delaying a team mr item for a personal mr item.

I should iterate here that I feel like even mentioning 4th position insinuates team play, in which I don't believe cowl is ever the correct call. In solo there are times when Cowl would be a good first item, but in solo you are never truly 4th, it took me subbing for a jungle to realize how truly under farmed/leveled you are when you are on a team actively funneling gold.