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On October 28 2013 23:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:On October 28 2013 22:58 gtrsrs wrote:On October 28 2013 22:30 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Has anyone played Diana recently? If so, how'd it feel? Maybe even more pressingly, has anyone played Diana out of the jungle at all recently? How'd THAT go? + Show Spoiler [Diana stuff] +diana is my most played since i moved to mid (and subsequently, moved up ~5 divisions)
she's a relatively strong champion against some of the more annoying mid assassins like zed and fizz (don't take that as "she's a counter" though, pls), as well as being utterly dominant against other, less-seen champs (tf, karthus, nidalee), and breaks even against a lot of popular champs (ahri, lissandra, kassadin etc). she does have some bad lanes that are also really popular at the moment (ori, gragas)
mathematically, she's got what i believe is the highest burst in the game at level 6 (unfortunately i'm still on vacation and i don't have access to my notes so i can't verify that but i'm 99% sure this was my conclusion), if you start your combo with 2 auto attacks on creeps to charge your passive. you'll hit QWR, use your charged auto, then R again for ... was it a 3.1 AP ratio or something silly like that, on top of really high base damages? up to gold ii, i've had virtually no trouble with this combo whatsoever, so take that for what it's worth. her burst is *so* high that you can often delay AP items in lieu of tank items for several buys and still do massive damage. it's not uncommon for my first buys to be 1-2 d-ring, negatron, and 2 cloth armors for seekers before i even touch pure AP items like void or DC or lichbane.
the only problem with mid diana is that her entire kit is based on landing your Q. if you miss it, your burst is effectively halved, and often you want to R as you Q... so if you miss you're already committed a lot of the time. so don't miss your Q! lategame she's *probably* the best melee mage, because she has 4 nukes and 2 shields that all have AP ratios (Q, R, R, charged auto; W, W) so she's amazing with a full build.
diana from the jungle is not really worth playing, imo. AP carry champs don't synergize well with the jungle role (the aforementioned lategame power with 6 items works the other way too... she's awfully weak with only 1-2 items lategame which is all she can afford on jungle salary). not to say that you can't win with jungle diana, i do it from time to time, but there are just way better options.
i know that she's one of frommaplestreet's best mids, he picks her into zed 100% of the time. pr0lly is also a huge diana fan and i believe scarra plays her.
/slinks back to the couch to play more pokemon Cool, thanks for this. I think she might be my next mid project since (as wei2 can attest) my Lissandra sucks. Spoiler - your lissandra will suck until you get about 20-25 games under your belt with her. And then she'll only be slightly less awful until you really figure her out.
I think I've played her close to that many games (but maybe not)? Idk, I think it's partially a build problem, partially an "I suck at mid" problem, and partially a mechanics problem. >_<
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no prob, for reference, i run my "kass arm/mpen/ap" or "ahri" rune pages on diana (dependent on matchup, kass page against auto attacking enemies, ahri page against melee AP enemies or short-ranged AP enemies), as well as my "ap mid" mastery page (summoner name: i am guitar) if you want a reference on where to start with runes.
i also played diana pretty frequently in top lane, but after learning lissandra i'm 100% convinced that liss is overwhelmingly better in top lane
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I think Syndra has the best level 6 burst in the game, not Diana, although I know she's up there for being one of the highest
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On October 28 2013 23:04 gtrsrs wrote:
no prob, for reference, i run my "kass arm/mpen/ap" or "ahri" rune pages on diana (dependent on matchup, kass page against auto attacking enemies, ahri page against melee AP enemies or short-ranged AP enemies), as well as my "ap mid" mastery page (summoner name: i am guitar) if you want a reference on where to start with runes.
i also played diana pretty frequently in top lane, but after learning lissandra i'm 100% convinced that liss is overwhelmingly better in top lane
Not running armor is pretty dumb honestly.Not only will you get poked down by other guy but if a jungler comes he will destroy you.
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that's definitely a possibility. i don't actually consider syndra to be a real champ so i never ran numbers on her :3
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On October 28 2013 23:13 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:04 gtrsrs wrote:
no prob, for reference, i run my "kass arm/mpen/ap" or "ahri" rune pages on diana (dependent on matchup, kass page against auto attacking enemies, ahri page against melee AP enemies or short-ranged AP enemies), as well as my "ap mid" mastery page (summoner name: i am guitar) if you want a reference on where to start with runes.
i also played diana pretty frequently in top lane, but after learning lissandra i'm 100% convinced that liss is overwhelmingly better in top lane Not running armor is pretty dumb honestly.Not only will you get poked down by other guy but if a jungler comes he will destroy you.
i do run armor, in many matchups. but it's not necessary against gragas, fizz, kassadin, lissandra, morgana... tf... mordekaiser... etc etc etc.
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On October 28 2013 23:16 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:13 nafta wrote:On October 28 2013 23:04 gtrsrs wrote:
no prob, for reference, i run my "kass arm/mpen/ap" or "ahri" rune pages on diana (dependent on matchup, kass page against auto attacking enemies, ahri page against melee AP enemies or short-ranged AP enemies), as well as my "ap mid" mastery page (summoner name: i am guitar) if you want a reference on where to start with runes.
i also played diana pretty frequently in top lane, but after learning lissandra i'm 100% convinced that liss is overwhelmingly better in top lane Not running armor is pretty dumb honestly.Not only will you get poked down by other guy but if a jungler comes he will destroy you. i do run armor, in many matchups. but it's not necessary against gragas, fizz, kassadin, lissandra, morgana... tf... mordekaiser... etc etc etc.
Vs any ranged champ(or gragas only exception is like karthus) you should run armor.Especially if they have a jungler like j4/lee and you don't have armor you will get destroyed.You will take minion damage and a lot of autos as a melee champion no way to avoid it.
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On October 28 2013 23:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's definitely a possibility. i don't actually consider syndra to be a real champ so i never ran numbers on her :3
well that's just foolish
Syndra in the right hands is terrifying. She's just ill-fitted for the assassin meta.
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You can also run HP per level seals instead of armor if you´re against bursty ap´s like annie and Leblanc. Armor is a not MUST. It´s a nice tool to avoid extra damage from other sources, but if you´re playing a farm-heavy AP-mid like orianna, ahri or nidalee (which arguably are among the 3 strongest at the moment), i´d be more wise to run HP per level seals to gain a slighty higher health-pool since you generally don´t purchase additional health from items.
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On October 28 2013 23:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's definitely a possibility. i don't actually consider syndra to be a real champ so i never ran numbers on her :3 well that's just foolish Syndra in the right hands is terrifying. She's just ill-fitted for the assassin meta.
yeah i know i need to consider her
i just ran these numbers before i caught the (was it ryu?) game where she was played in OGN, and i've heard many pros bash her so i didn't think she was worth calculating.
also, RIP in piece mathies
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Yeah in general on most champions HP/level gives you more effective HP later in the game than armor seals do.
It's just most of the time you can't get away with it. On safe AP mids you generally can.
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On October 28 2013 23:32 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 28 2013 23:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's definitely a possibility. i don't actually consider syndra to be a real champ so i never ran numbers on her :3 well that's just foolish Syndra in the right hands is terrifying. She's just ill-fitted for the assassin meta. yeah i know i need to consider her i just ran these numbers before i caught the (was it ryu?) game where she was played in OGN, and i've heard many pros bash her so i didn't think she was worth calculating.also, RIP in piece mathies
~_~
one of the biggest issues with the league community right there
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On October 28 2013 23:32 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 28 2013 23:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's definitely a possibility. i don't actually consider syndra to be a real champ so i never ran numbers on her :3 well that's just foolish Syndra in the right hands is terrifying. She's just ill-fitted for the assassin meta. yeah i know i need to consider her i just ran these numbers before i caught the (was it ryu?) game where she was played in OGN, and i've heard many pros bash her so i didn't think she was worth calculating. also, RIP in piece mathies
But but she was faker and bjergesen's most played champ before they got famous >.>.That should count for something rite?
She is pretty good.If only there weren't any pesky junglers so you could use your stun and win every 1v1 easily.
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On October 28 2013 23:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:32 gtrsrs wrote:On October 28 2013 23:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 28 2013 23:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's definitely a possibility. i don't actually consider syndra to be a real champ so i never ran numbers on her :3 well that's just foolish Syndra in the right hands is terrifying. She's just ill-fitted for the assassin meta. yeah i know i need to consider her i just ran these numbers before i caught the (was it ryu?) game where she was played in OGN, and i've heard many pros bash her so i didn't think she was worth calculating.also, RIP in piece mathies ~_~ one of the biggest issues with the league community right there
why is it an issue
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On October 28 2013 23:41 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 28 2013 23:32 gtrsrs wrote:On October 28 2013 23:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 28 2013 23:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's definitely a possibility. i don't actually consider syndra to be a real champ so i never ran numbers on her :3 well that's just foolish Syndra in the right hands is terrifying. She's just ill-fitted for the assassin meta. yeah i know i need to consider her i just ran these numbers before i caught the (was it ryu?) game where she was played in OGN, and i've heard many pros bash her so i didn't think she was worth calculating.also, RIP in piece mathies ~_~ one of the biggest issues with the league community right there why is it an issue
Blind following of what pros say? Sure, what pros say should be taken into consideration, but the word "consideration" implies that there is thought going into that champ.
Pros say a lot of things and ignore a lot of champs for many different reasons. Sometimes, they are dead wrong on champion viability.
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so what? people can play what hey what and think what they want
if they are wrong you can exploit that if you so wish
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I got a lot of shit the other day for randomly picking Midalee into a Zed. I then got even more shit when I had 17 armor. And then I won the lane hard because Nidalee is dumb and stops AD Carries from dying.
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On October 28 2013 23:53 justiceknight wrote:
Outter tower (possibly all towers) gold distribution changed to killer 250 allies 75 each.
On October 27 2013 08:58 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 08:34 iCanada wrote:
I havn't played DotA for probably 6 years now, I feel like I should just go play it, it seems to cater to the things I enjoy/want out of LoL anyway. It's funny because people are up in arms about DotA 6.79 being too much like LoL, and while it's true that 6.79 made DotA more LoL-like, it's true in the best way possible. Icefrog clearly is paying attention to LoL and trying to take elements of the game that have made it so successful. Meanwhile, despite some of these systemic issues in LoL being things DotA dealt with 3-4 years ago (vision issues, support itemization), Riot is intent on copying bad ideas from other shit MOBA games that nobody likes or cares about (vision item slot from Smite, last-hit "assist" gold from Strife) rather than trying to use how DotA dealt with the issue as a starting point.
huehuehue
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First blood within first 4 minutes reduced reward to 240 gold. this just seems stupid tbh, but it's hard to judge a single change without the context of other changes.
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