[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 364

On October 27 2013 22:33 Parnage wrote:


What are they doing with Nidalee to make her so frightening exactly?

On October 27 2013 22:35 Alaric wrote:
Poking.

On October 28 2013 02:13 Couvre wrote:


Right, I have no desire to argue something like the meta with you. I was just pointing out that your statement "Until I see the top Korean and Chinese teams picking her in high stakes evenly matched series I will need some convincing" has already happened. Ozone also played nid vs Blue.

On October 28 2013 02:47 Velocirapture wrote:


I think the games you are pointing to illustrate my point perfectly. In none of these games did it matter that it was nidalee over any other mid. What I need to see is a nidalee in high level play doing what nidalee is uniquely good at to great enough effect that it changes the outcome of the game. These games are either jungle pressure giving insurmountable advantages to the lane allowing her to go ridiculously ham or her being played as a low dps mage with clean up utility. I will say this though, in the Ozone game Nidalee almost goes even with Fizz and that is pretty good.

I guess I didnt communicate my point clearly earlier. A game where nidalee just farms to help her team with objectives and hard engagements is not a real nidalee game since she is inferior in those interactions to standard mids. This whole conversation started around the idea the poke comps are still viable which they are not unless you know a specific opponent may not know the match up. Playing the player instead of the game is fine but lets not conflate the two.

On October 28 2013 02:34 phyvo wrote:


What's mathematically best is easy to calculate if you assume no autos, all autos, or a certain fraction of autos/skills. The all autos standard tends to be IE/PD/LW with few variations but as we all know many champs break this rule, either because sustain is important (vamp scepter/bt/bortk first), their skills are high-impact (BT), the champ benefits from an earlier power timing and dueling capability (botrk), they just want to poke/burst people to death (TF), or they need a little split push/farming power (shiv).

I mean you can do all the numbers and stuff but there are too many factors in league that are hard to quantify for numbers to mean a whole lot except in those rare situations where your only question is "how can I do the most damage in X item slots and Y gold?"

On October 28 2013 02:34 phyvo wrote:


What's mathematically best is easy to calculate if you assume no autos, all autos, or a certain fraction of autos/skills. The all autos standard tends to be IE/PD/LW with few variations but as we all know many champs break this rule, either because sustain is important (vamp scepter/bt/bortk first), their skills are high-impact (BT), the champ benefits from an earlier power timing and dueling capability (botrk), they just want to poke/burst people to death (TF), or they need a little split push/farming power (shiv).

I mean you can do all the numbers and stuff but there are too many factors in league that are hard to quantify for numbers to mean a whole lot except in those rare situations where your only question is "how can I do the most damage in X item slots and Y gold?"

On October 28 2013 03:49 Slayer91 wrote:
try play nidalee without hitting any spears and then decide how useful "forcing people out of position" is.

On October 28 2013 04:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
Nidalee is fun but whenever I play her I lose horribly. I just assumed she was a weak champion but maybe she's just a high skill cap one.

On October 28 2013 04:07 Slayer91 wrote:


have you tried hitting q
nidalee gets athenes, but maybe tear as well