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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
October 27 2013 12:56 GMT
#7221
On October 27 2013 21:10 GolemMadness wrote:
Kassadin currently sitting at an 89% ban rate. When was the last time another champ was that high?


when jayce was god-tier
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
October 27 2013 12:56 GMT
#7222
On October 27 2013 21:49 Alaric wrote:
Shaco prob.

Malphite was a super popular ban at some point too in season 2.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 27 2013 13:16 GMT
#7223
On October 27 2013 21:56 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 21:10 GolemMadness wrote:
Kassadin currently sitting at an 89% ban rate. When was the last time another champ was that high?


when jayce was god-tier


Shen, TF, Eve, Twitch...thou I am doubtful anyone had stats at the time to show exact numbers.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
jaymik
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)425 Posts
October 27 2013 13:26 GMT
#7224
On October 27 2013 16:38 JazzVortical wrote:
From watching solo queue games, it seems like Nidalee is becoming more and popular, even heading into must pick/ban status. I fear what will become of my Bronze experience if this trickles down...


must ban status in kr solo queue atm
jaymik kr/na
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 27 2013 13:33 GMT
#7225
On October 27 2013 22:26 jaymik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 16:38 JazzVortical wrote:
From watching solo queue games, it seems like Nidalee is becoming more and popular, even heading into must pick/ban status. I fear what will become of my Bronze experience if this trickles down...


must ban status in kr solo queue atm


What are they doing with Nidalee to make her so frightening exactly?
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 27 2013 13:35 GMT
#7226
Poking.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 27 2013 13:36 GMT
#7227
On October 27 2013 22:16 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 21:56 Dusty wrote:
On October 27 2013 21:10 GolemMadness wrote:
Kassadin currently sitting at an 89% ban rate. When was the last time another champ was that high?


when jayce was god-tier


Shen, TF, Eve, Twitch...thou I am doubtful anyone had stats at the time to show exact numbers.

None of those were at such high ban %s. I think Kassadin has been the record-holder for quite some time. Shaco might have been back when he was good but I still doubt it. Kassadin is one of the few champions that is always banned at pretty much all skill brackets.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
October 27 2013 13:39 GMT
#7228
On October 27 2013 22:33 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 22:26 jaymik wrote:
On October 27 2013 16:38 JazzVortical wrote:
From watching solo queue games, it seems like Nidalee is becoming more and popular, even heading into must pick/ban status. I fear what will become of my Bronze experience if this trickles down...


must ban status in kr solo queue atm


What are they doing with Nidalee to make her so frightening exactly?


Not playing badly
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 27 2013 14:02 GMT
#7229
pressing q
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
October 27 2013 14:27 GMT
#7230
Nidalee has always been a solo queue all-star but in competitive play she has been nothing but a maximum disrespect pick since they removed the defensive stats on her cougar form. She basically has two play styles, midalee and bruiser top lane. When Nidalee builds bruiser the ONLY thing she is good for is split pushing. Her team fight is possibly the worst in the game of any "viable" top lane. As midalee, spears are a highly unreliable poke that any top tier competitive team should be able to outplay and she does way less damage in direct confrontations than any other mage with similar AP since her spear is basically all she can do now that going in with cougar is suicidal.

Basically what nidalee does is throw out a ton of random damage and wait for the enemy to make a mistake. In disorganized environments like solo queue this will give the illusion of consistency but I doubt SKT1 will fall for it.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 14:29:00
October 27 2013 14:27 GMT
#7231
Yay, a proper answer. Thanks.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 14:32:50
October 27 2013 14:29 GMT
#7232
skt got wrecked pretty hard by a nidalee recently. it's not just the nidalee alone though, it's her together with a heavy disengage, poke comp. they can just poke you out of turret defense range and get free turrets. unless you catch their adc or soemthing there's nothing you can do about it either
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 14:35:16
October 27 2013 14:34 GMT
#7233
On October 27 2013 23:27 Parnage wrote:
Yay, a proper answer. Thanks.


my answer was actually the exactly the same and more concise
except with less error because assuming that pros never hit skillshots is dumb and poke comps are definitely viable
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 27 2013 14:43 GMT
#7234
On October 27 2013 23:34 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 23:27 Parnage wrote:
Yay, a proper answer. Thanks.


my answer was actually the exactly the same and more concise
except with less error because assuming that pros never hit skillshots is dumb and poke comps are definitely viable


Right, anyway..I loved watching poke comps back in the day so seeing them return is awesome viewing for me.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 27 2013 14:46 GMT
#7235
it was ok for a couple of games, but nowadays some games are just "sit in front of turrets and chuck spears all day while the other team stands around". not very interesting
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
October 27 2013 14:52 GMT
#7236
I feel to fight soloQ nidalee, you need to deny her ANY blue buffs after about level 13, when her heal starts kicking in.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 27 2013 14:55 GMT
#7237
or just engage comp
jaymik
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)425 Posts
October 27 2013 14:59 GMT
#7238
her kit is godlike in solo queue

you have her spears. 2-3 spears into the backline will turn a fight into a 5v4 and on top of that when you have the 3 fotm junglers in korean solo queue (j4, ls, vi) diving a 5v4, youll probably come out winnin that fight.

whats rarely mentioned is her play style post 6 and her trap damage at level 5 with some ap. post 6 shes able to roam dumb fast with her passive + pounce. she can respond to counter ganks/go for ganks in other lanes by herself. a roaming midlaner is always a ++ for your team.

never underestimate her trap damage. i always see a lot of this particular situation where a support roams tryin to clear wards and steps on 2-3 traps. thats a good portion of his hp missing which will signal the other team to either siege a turret/force a fight/go for baron. also that 40% reduction on the targets mr/armor will bring someone down pretty fucking quickly

pick her up for some free lp
jaymik kr/na
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 15:03:25
October 27 2013 15:02 GMT
#7239
On October 27 2013 23:34 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 23:27 Parnage wrote:
Yay, a proper answer. Thanks.


my answer was actually the exactly the same and more concise
except with less error because assuming that pros never hit skillshots is dumb and poke comps are definitely viable


Poke comps are a shadow of their former glory. I never said pros dont hit skillshots, I said they are FAR less likely to get hit randomly outside engagements. Ask anybody from TSM or Curse (I remember SV actually went into significant detail on how riot has systematically destroyed poke comps on his stream but I cant be bothered to find it). Until something major is changed poke comps (for competitive play) will only be seen when playing something different or comfortable trumps playing the standard superior comps because you are outclassed by your opponent or unprepared for the meta.

Will it work? Sometimes, but so does everything.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 15:04:28
October 27 2013 15:03 GMT
#7240
because poke specifically jayce got nerfed a lot because poke was too strong.
and not in solo queue either.

skillshots are easier to hit on baddies but baddies are worse at skillshots. Pros are good at skillshots so its harder to predict and dodge them

poke comps are probably slightly better in pro play because you're more likely to be able to set up a comp with strong disengage and often people dont have many hard engagers in their champ pool
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