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Don_Julio
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:45 wei2coolman wrote: This has made relegation matches pretty interesting, CoL, TBD, and Quantic, right? Quantic haven't qualified for crap, and I don't even know how they are going to qualify - of course RIOT never gives us this information so we can speculate all we want. Last time it was 4 qualifiers from various tournaments and 4 teams from the top of the NA ladder, they've changed the format this time so, who knows what the qualifying procedure is. ugh the lack of transparency from RIOT's e-Sports side is really obnoxious sometimes. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:48 Amethyst21 wrote: Quantic haven't qualified for crap, and I don't even know how they are going to qualify - of course RIOT never gives us this information so we can speculate all we want. Last time it was 4 qualifiers from various tournaments and 4 teams from the top of the NA ladder, they've changed the format this time so, who knows what the qualifying procedure is. ugh the lack of transparency from RIOT's e-Sports side is really obnoxious sometimes. So only CoL and TBD have qualified for relegation matches? As far as qualifications are concerned, there is still plenty of time since there's no winter/fall LCS. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:51 wei2coolman wrote: So only CoL and TBD have qualified for relegation matches? Yup, TBD at the 2013 MLG Spring Championship Promotion CoL at the PAX 2013/Spring Promotion Qualifier The other teams are TBD, qualifying means TBD.... | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:18 Redox wrote: Your 6-7 months dont make sense. Either they qualify for LCS, or they dont. As long as they are in LCS, they stay. If they dont make it in, they might leave. If they do bad after spring split(after worlds until april it's 6 months) i doubt locodoco will stay at the sinking boot. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:03 TheYango wrote: More likely that the level of NA increases slightly, while this team's skill level deteriorates a lot. Even if it's only slightly, it'll be worth it. That said, there's a reason why bajillions of movies/TV shows play up the importance of rivals. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
They kept their team together even after relegation and even kept the gaming house. Nice of them. They've placed their faith in North American talent. Maybe they wouldn't qualify anyway, but with Quantic their chances are lessened, most likely. So if the team disbands after failing to qualify - If I'm Complexity, you know what I'm doing with my nice, empty gaming house? I'm finding 5 Koreans and I'm going for the LCS in the next split. You can't set this precedent. Sponsors aren't stupid. If they know they can bring over 5 decent Koreans and qualify for the LCS, they are going to. No one will want to sponsor NA talent and then the scene dies. If only this had happened in some other scene, RIOT could have known this would happen....hmmmmm | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:25 DonKey_ wrote: So this means these KR players can only scrim with NA teams now? Not sure how bad the ping difference would be. None? cuz they're moving to NA... | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:20 onlywonderboy wrote: That's a pretty doomsday scenario. Finding five players willing to move to NA and live here is a pretty tall order. Plus if too many KR players come over the level of competition rises and it's not nearly as easy, making it less appealing. Yeah it's so difficult to offer players a salary and a house in one of the nicest places in the world to play video games. Certainly no one will be interested in that. As for the competition rising here are our 3 teams being threatened by relegation:Curse, Coast, Velocity. In our doomsday scenario all three get relegated and replaced by Korean teams. Next relegation round. 1 of the Korean teams, Dignitas, CLG. Would you take your chances of a half decent Korean team over CLG or Dig? I would. That scenario is almost certainly not going to happen, but WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU OPEN THE DOOR TO IT. I actually have a solution already - Expand the LCS to 10 teams. Allow a maximum of 2 'foreign' teams. The foreign team that finishes behind the other is eligible to be relegated and replaced by another foreign team. Domestic Promotion/Relegation stays the same. People get their Korean teams to | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Also, keep in mind Quantic gaming has been in the NA scene, so even if players are foreign, the organization is American. + Show Spoiler + Yeah it's so difficult to offer players a salary and a house in one of the nicest places in the world to play video games. Certainly no one will be interested in that. It's hard to say, Korean teams salaries are pretty hush hush (as is most esports money related things). Riot money isn't even that good, it's just enough to keep teams playing in LCS, but it's definitely no lap of luxury. You still need to find sponsors, and sponsors in NA aren't going to flock to an unproven team with "faceless koreans" (yes this stereotype is false, but the fact that the main audience sees them as such, is what sponsors are going to be looking at). Not to mention, for them to succeed, they have to be THE BEST in LCS. C9 ain't chumps to just be shoved over. Do you know why I say "THE BEST"? And not just 2nd or 3rd place? Looks at Vulcun, full of Amurrikans (except godwater), and they're fucking destitute in regards to popularity despite being 2nd place in season (3rd in playoffs in spring and summer). What makes you think NA fans are going to all of sudden jump on Quantic bandwagon if they don't place 1st in LCS, muchless a 2nd full korean team joining NA LCS.? Cuz lets face it, there's only 1 spot for #1, and if there are 2 teams of "faceless koreans", only one is going to actually live in such "nicest places in the world to play video games". Also, look at the fucking house tour for the #1 team in NA, Cloud 9, they fucking live in a fucking mini-apartment, that was meant for maybe like 3 people, hardly great living conditions. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On the other hand, I am a whole-hearted advocate of labor mobility, and the recruitment of foreign players into more domestic leagues is certainly not unheard of. Just consider the number of Russians, Swedes, Canadians (Hockey Players #1 export), etc., in the NHL, for instance. So long as efforts are made to humanize them (so they aren't "faceless Koreans"), I don't think introduction of foreign players onto NA LCS teams (or forming teams of their own) would "kill" the NA scene. Fan popularity will go towards players that they can relate to, whom have public personas or personalities for people to latch onto. Let's take Dig for instance, Patoy was heavily underrated and lacked popularity in the Spring Split, because no one knew him (same with qtpie). The only person on Dig who was really popular and known was Scarra and somewhat Crumbzz, because they streamed. Then imaqtpie started streaming, and everyone became a fan of his, because he is hilarious (just no one knew). Then there are more Dig fans. Etc. Player and team popularity come from things like this. If people don't know the players (like Vulcun, besides the shittalking Zuna does)...well. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
Finding sponsors would be hard, thats why it would be easier for an established org like Complexity, if they see Quantic succeed, to take the same approach. And thats the big thing for me. It creates a disincentive for Complexity, who have been maintaining their team with NA talent, when the easier (maybe?) route is to recruit foreign players to qualify. And if your sponsors put an emphasis on being visible in one of the most viewed e-Sport at the moment, it doesn't matter if you qualify from 5 movie stars from NA or 5 robots from Iceland, visibility is visibility. And if Complexity do it, then Team Liquid/Na'vii or any other e-sports organization that is on the outside looking in can do it (SK? aAa?). We want more sponsors in the scene and they should do it through sponsoring an amateur team and hoping that they make it to the big time in the LCS, not creating a shortcut like what Quantic is doing. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:57 Lord Tolkien wrote: I am abit apprehensive about this news. On the one hand, I would be absolutely thrilled if they could raise the level of competition in the NA LCS. On the other: the potential for the precedent to be set for the NA LCS to become like SC2's WCS. The residency requirement by itself should be a significant factor that prevents it from being detrimental for the NA scene, but only so long as it isn't a flood of teams, so to speak. On the other hand, I am a whole-hearted advocate of labor mobility, and the recruitment of foreign players into more domestic leagues is certainly not unheard of. Just consider the number of Russians, Swedes, Canadians (Hockey Players #1 export), etc., in the NHL, for instance. So long as efforts are made to humanize them (so they aren't "faceless Koreans"), I don't think introduction of foreign players onto NA LCS teams (or forming teams of their own) would "kill" the NA scene. Idk if I'd call Woong faceless lol | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
I was speaking about them playing other Korean teams, Because it looks as though now they will have to exclusively scrim the NA teams. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:58 Amethyst21 wrote: No one is getting rich off of RIOT salary, clearly. Free housing + whatever perks + playing video games for a living is pretty good though (not for everyone, admittedly) Finding sponsors would be hard, thats why it would be easier for an established org like Complexity, if they see Quantic succeed, to take the same approach. And thats the big thing for me. It creates a disincentive for Complexity, who have been maintaining their team with NA talent, when the easier (maybe?) route is to recruit foreign players to qualify. And if your sponsors put an emphasis on being visible in one of the most viewed e-Sport at the moment, it doesn't matter if you qualify from 5 movie stars from NA or 5 robots from Iceland, visibility is visibility. And if Complexity do it, then Team Liquid/Na'vii or any other e-sports organization that is on the outside looking in can do it (SK? aAa?). We want more sponsors in the scene and they should do it through sponsoring an amateur team and hoping that they make it to the big time in the LCS, not creating a shortcut like what Quantic is doing. Please, Vulcun and Coast still ain't got shit for popularity. Sponsors with any actual heft want personalities and viewership. Unless another 3 top notch full korean teams come out, and crowd out LCS spots, Sponsors are still going to stick with big personality teams that are just good enough for LCS, rather than #2 teams with no personality. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
If top NA teams would get their asses kicked by several low (possibly non Champions level) tier KR teams, it would be sad, but also quite unlikely in my opinion. They have all the tools to step it up if Koreans come to NA to play and practice. In SC2 foreigners are fucked because many of them don't nearly have the infrastructure that LCS teams have nowadays. The difference to SC2 is that the really good teams (at least top 16) will want to stay in Korea no matter what in the future, because the money/exposure/fans/everything you can get there is better than in the West. In SC2 this isn't the case anymore, because the Korean SC2 audience is very small, while the foreign SC2 audience is big in comparison. If more Koreans were to decide to come to NA to play there, it would only be bottom tier pro teams. And if NA can't handle them, I don't know what to tell you. LCS teams have the best chances out of any foreigner scene to step it up and compete with the Koreans and I believe because of that they will at least be able to fend off a low tier Korean "invasion". Ultimately this might be the kick in the ass that NA needs to get more competitive as a whole. Teams like C9 already show promise of how new talent can be fostered and kick complete ass, and I'm sure there are more teams like C9 that will evolve from the NA talent pool over time, especially if the region gets more competitive overall. | ||
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