EPTLoco, Woong, Apple, Prime, Gunza
Locodoco's New Team
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agentx3
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ZataN
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Chrispy
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On September 12 2013 13:53 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think it's one thing for a korean team to participate in NA LCS and I think it'd be another for them to qualify to Worlds with it... I'm all for them joining, but I don't think I'd like the idea of them "representing" NA. Battlecruiser operational! | ||
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ProV1
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Dan HH
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Itsmedudeman
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I didn't even notice lol | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On September 12 2013 14:02 Dan HH wrote: I take it Quantic are still pissed about C9 leaving them, this would certainly make NA LCS more interesting for me. If i were Quantic manager i'd rage. But there's no real way to prove that C9 will do as well as they did under Quantic management. | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
On September 12 2013 14:01 ProV1 wrote: I really wish they would Riot would keep a region lock on the LCS. Otherwise, it becomes WCS NA 2.0 with koreans dominating the NA scene, and not enough NA players in the scene. Then, NA LCS becomes Krn LCS tier 2.0. And the whole NA scene and NA players, and NA heroes, and the allure is gone. Which is a pretty big reason as to why SCII isn't as popular in NA these days. There is a region lock. I think you need a work visa? | ||
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agentx3
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Itsmedudeman
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lefty
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Disengaged
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I see what you did there lol | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On September 12 2013 14:10 Itsmedudeman wrote: If it was maknoon over woong I'd fully support it. No way he's leaving that FAT/HUGE (probably) KT Rolster contract. $$$ speaks in a lot of ways. | ||
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gtrsrs
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
Apple, got dunked pretty hard in OGN summer, of course he had to play Frost and KTB, but hardly impressive Prime seemed pretty good in the jungle. He's a threat Gunza...I can't even find a record of him (didn't search that hard) Well, at least we get to see NA vs. a decentish Korean team. Might raise the level of play in North America. Seems unlikely that RIOT will want to open the door for NA LCS to be 4-6 Korean teams and the top NA teams, basically has the potential to kill off the domestic scene. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 12 2013 13:53 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think it's one thing for a korean team to participate in NA LCS and I think it'd be another for them to qualify to Worlds with it... I'm all for them joining, but I don't think I'd like the idea of them "representing" NA. No lie, locodoco might as well be an honorary America. Original TSM member. Went to high school in Texas. Played for CLG too. He's fluent in English. Everyone else, sure, but I'm fine with loco representing North America. As for how good they'll be? Meh, we'll see. In his prime Woong was 100% better than any NA top laners but I dunno if he's in his prime right now. Loco isn't bad but I think there are some NA ADCs who are just as talented as him. Whether they'll be good depends fully upon if they use a Korean practice regime. If they do that I'm pretty confident they'll take 1st and frankly I'd root for any team with locodoco on it. Not to mention it'll be hilarious to see people hate on Woong some more on reddit. | ||
Chexx
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zulu_nation8
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overt
United States9006 Posts
League of Legends is the most played and watched eSport in the world. Quantic Gaming believed that acquiring a League of Legends team was necessary in order to remain a successful eSport organization. We looked at several opportunities for a new LoL squad after the realease of "Cloud 9" last season. We kept an eye on the Challenger teams as they battled through Amateur Leagues, but we were not able to find the right match. We wanted a team that meshed seamlessly with the Quantic Gaming organization; our decision was not rushed, but instead diligent and precise. Along with our partners, we felt that a team of former professionals from Korea competing in North-America would give Quantic Gaming the competitive edge which would potentially get Quantic back in the LCS. Therefore, we are excited to announce Quantic Gaming's new League of Legends roster: Cheolwoo 'Apple' Jeong - Mid Dusik 'Prime' Yun - Jungle Yoonsup 'Locodoco' Choi - Team Captain and AD Carry Gunwoong ' Woong' Jang - Top Gunhee 'Gunza' Jung - Support Throughout the years, Quantic Gaming has often acquired talent from the Korean scene to compliment our rosters, such as in Starcraft 2. These players have always been among the best of the best with the accomplishments to prove it, and our LoL squad is no different. Locodoco and Woong were members of the first place team in the OGN Invitiational; they also placed second together in the OGN Spring Invitational 2012. Woong also boasts his own achievements as a member of the second place team at both OGN Winter 2012 and the 2012 World Finals previously known as Azubu Frost. It's not only Locodoco and Woong that have previously competed together. Both Apple and Prime were founding members of Maximum Gaming Impact Blitz, a team that Woong coached. The existing synergy between the team members will help to make the transition to Quantic gaming seamless, and we're confident that they'll be in fighting shape very quickly. We believe this team will make a major impact in both the North American Challenger and LCS scenes. We could not be more excited to have this group of players staying the Quantic Gaming house, located in California, on official eSports visas. We know that this team will show the world what they and Quantic Gaming are capable of achieving. We also want to give a huge thanks to Roccat and NeatforSeat for their support in making this huge step in Quantic Gaming history possible. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
It's happening again. The question is can NA stand up to them unlike Starcraft? I would argue SC2 *died* in NA because after Idra and HuK dropped off from championship level players NA couldn't compete so the fans had no one to rally around. They then moved onto LoL. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
The only thing that scares me though is if NA teams can't adapt or grow. After a season of Cloud 9 stomping none of the NA teams seem any closer to overthrowing them than they did at the start of the season which is a bit scary. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On September 12 2013 15:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Wasn't MiG "Maknoon is Gay"? Officially its Maximum Impact Gaming But it could be Maknoon is Gay, or its just the community being imaginative again. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On September 12 2013 14:01 ProV1 wrote: I really wish they would Riot would keep a region lock on the LCS. Otherwise, it becomes WCS NA 2.0 with koreans dominating the NA scene, and not enough NA players in the scene. Then, NA LCS becomes Krn LCS tier 2.0. And the whole NA scene and NA players, and NA heroes, and the allure is gone. Which is a pretty big reason as to why SCII isn't as popular in NA these days. eh.. I don't think so, LoL is gigantic in Korea and can actually sustain a bunch of teams. On the other hand, SC2 is minuscule so there's more motivation for the pros to go abroad. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
On September 12 2013 16:35 wei2coolman wrote: The only reason this pisses me off, is if this team fails to be the best in NA, all the fucking chuckle fucks will start talking about korea as some overrated region. well. lets hope worlds will make sure that doesnt happen | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 12 2013 16:35 wei2coolman wrote: The only reason this pisses me off, is if this team fails to be the best in NA, all the fucking chuckle fucks will start talking about korea as some overrated region. It's pretty funny how much hype a non top 8 team is getting. Omg korean team, look out C9! | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 12 2013 16:36 JerKy wrote: well. lets hope worlds will make sure that doesnt happen Difference is at worlds, skt, and mvp ozone are there, repping korea. | ||
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wei2coolman
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On September 12 2013 16:35 wei2coolman wrote: The only reason this pisses me off, is if this team fails to be the best in NA, all the fucking chuckle fucks will start talking about korea as some overrated region. Lets be real here, even if this team never moved to NA there will still be fucking chuckle fucks saying things like KR is overrated. Trolls will be trolls, idiots will be idiots. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
not even scared, bring it son. It's just a reason to work harder if anything. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On September 12 2013 16:10 Kouda wrote: Yo. Velocity is fucked LOL LOL don't make guitar sad t.t "we felt that a team of former professionals from Korea competing in North-America would give Quantic Gaming the competitive edge" hahaha NA so ez all the companies agree | ||
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wussleeQ
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On September 12 2013 15:11 overt wrote: I don't foresee the NA scene being overrun by Koreans. Having to physically live here is a pretty big expense and is a lot less convenient than the WCS. i can comment now that the team is already living in southern CA housing expenses are not an issue, in the case of this team | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 12 2013 15:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Wasn't MiG "Maknoon is Gay"? Madlife is God. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 12 2013 14:26 Amethyst21 wrote: So Loco, Woong, okay those are good, solid Korean level players Apple, got dunked pretty hard in OGN summer, of course he had to play Frost and KTB, but hardly impressive Prime seemed pretty good in the jungle. He's a threat Gunza...I can't even find a record of him (didn't search that hard) Well, at least we get to see NA vs. a decentish Korean team. Might raise the level of play in North America. Seems unlikely that RIOT will want to open the door for NA LCS to be 4-6 Korean teams and the top NA teams, basically has the potential to kill off the domestic scene. Gunza used to to a support player in Psw Ares, a top amateur team that narrowly failed to qualify for both The Champions Summer, and Winter seasons due to excellent individual performances from Doublelift, and Expession. He then failed to qualify for The Champions again this year, after joining MiG Wicked. Basically the team consists of three players that were either on bottom-feeder OGN teams, or teams that narrowly failed to do even that. Both Woong, and Locodoco were arguably the best in their position when the Korean League of Legends scene was in its infancy, but it remains to be seen whether they can stand the test of time like MadLife, or whether they will become old relics from that past like Cornsalad, and SBS. From what I hear, Woong is pretty beastily on his top-lane Jarvan IV. I really have no idea how to feel about this, so I'll just ignore the LCS logo whenever these guys play, and pretend that this is an international competition that I bitched about not being in enough quantity. If the team manages to qualify for the LCS Spring Season, we'll see basically see how a Korean team around the level of MiG Blitz/MiG Wicked compares competiting week-in-week-out against the top eight teams in the North American scene. | ||
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Lysteria
France2279 Posts
As long as this team stay in NA, it will be nice for the entire NA scene, and will not be like the WCS or whatever its name is, where koreans just go, win everything, and go back in Korea to practice. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
I would definitely like to see NA teams step up their game, and having a Korean team to regularly play against would theoretically help with that. I personally would be very sad if League of Legends became a game that was only really prominent in Korea. Say what you want about the competitive scene outside of Korea, but having a game this popular that everyone around the world watches is pretty awesome. | ||
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Sufficiency
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 12 2013 19:55 Kyo Yuy wrote: I think the optimum result would be that this team raises the overall skill level of NA LCS teams without just completely crushing all of them. I would definitely like to see NA teams step up their game, and having a Korean team to regularly play against would theoretically help with that. I personally would be very sad if League of Legends became a game that was only really prominent in Korea. Say what you want about the competitive scene outside of Korea, but having a game this popular that everyone around the world watches is pretty awesome. I still have a lot of hope for the World. LoL isn't the hardest game to play mechanically (which was the biggest problem in broodwar vs koreans) so there really isn't the finger-factor, but more the team strat and coordination, which I think can still be matched. But again, some people said similar things when sc2 came out. On September 12 2013 20:12 Sufficiency wrote: So basically velocity is screwed? I had a feeling they were kind of screwed to begin with, then they got completely screwed when they lost vileroze. | ||
GTR
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Dan HH
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On September 12 2013 20:12 Sufficiency wrote: So basically velocity is screwed? They were screwed anyway, I doubt they would have won against Complexity. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On September 12 2013 14:46 zulu_nation8 wrote: So they can potentially represent NA at world's? Does not make sense Loco is an inhabitant of the world. He can represent any region. He could even represent earth if there was a Space League. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Nevertheless, velocity is screwed. So are any other amateur teams in loco's way. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On September 12 2013 14:46 zulu_nation8 wrote: So they can potentially represent NA at world's? Does not make sense Aren't we all from another country, if you look far back enough? I don't see why it's an issue. | ||
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skykh
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On September 12 2013 22:04 skykh wrote: Betting 500$ Locodoco will leave after 6-7 months after underestimating na teams and if things doesnt go well, like always. I guess you actually just don't understand how much better even C-teamer koreans are than most LCS team players. ro8 NLB > Any LCS team. C9 is barely maybe on the level of CTU on an off-day (said during live broadcast) | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 12 2013 14:02 Dan HH wrote: I take it Quantic are still pissed about C9 leaving them, this would certainly make NA LCS more interesting for me. A little late to this, but they didn't just leave, Jack Etienne bought out their contract. Quantic probably had a say in the sale. Edit: Also I'm pretty sure the rule is you have to live in NA to compete. That's a pretty big commitment from the players so I wouldn't expect KR teams to take over NA by any means. | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 12 2013 22:04 skykh wrote: Betting 500$ Locodoco will leave after 6-7 months after underestimating na teams and if things doesnt go well, like always. Last time he was in NA he was relegated to support on a confused CLG roster | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On September 12 2013 23:51 glzElectromaster wrote: Last time he was in NA he was relegated to support on a confused CLG roster NAH HE MUST BE BAD NA HAS IMPROVED SO MUCH DUH Or just he had a terrible team and played a role he hated. Tbh Locodoco has pretty good work ethics it seems, trains a lot, and is serious about succeeding. | ||
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Anakko
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 12 2013 19:55 Kyo Yuy wrote: I think the optimum result would be that this team raises the overall skill level of NA LCS teams without just completely crushing all of them. More likely that the level of NA increases slightly, while this team's skill level deteriorates a lot. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 12 2013 22:04 skykh wrote: Betting 500$ Locodoco will leave after 6-7 months after underestimating na teams and if things doesnt go well, like always. Your 6-7 months dont make sense. Either they qualify for LCS, or they dont. As long as they are in LCS, they stay. If they dont make it in, they might leave. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 12 2013 23:58 mr_tolkien wrote: NAH HE MUST BE BAD NA HAS IMPROVED SO MUCH DUH Or just he had a terrible team and played a role he hated. Tbh Locodoco has pretty good work ethics it seems, trains a lot, and is serious about succeeding. From the interviews it seemed they already practiced for 2 months now in Korea in a gaming house. So I assume they are well prepared. | ||
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00Zarathustra
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Don_Julio
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wei2coolman
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:45 wei2coolman wrote: This has made relegation matches pretty interesting, CoL, TBD, and Quantic, right? Quantic haven't qualified for crap, and I don't even know how they are going to qualify - of course RIOT never gives us this information so we can speculate all we want. Last time it was 4 qualifiers from various tournaments and 4 teams from the top of the NA ladder, they've changed the format this time so, who knows what the qualifying procedure is. ugh the lack of transparency from RIOT's e-Sports side is really obnoxious sometimes. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:48 Amethyst21 wrote: Quantic haven't qualified for crap, and I don't even know how they are going to qualify - of course RIOT never gives us this information so we can speculate all we want. Last time it was 4 qualifiers from various tournaments and 4 teams from the top of the NA ladder, they've changed the format this time so, who knows what the qualifying procedure is. ugh the lack of transparency from RIOT's e-Sports side is really obnoxious sometimes. So only CoL and TBD have qualified for relegation matches? As far as qualifications are concerned, there is still plenty of time since there's no winter/fall LCS. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:51 wei2coolman wrote: So only CoL and TBD have qualified for relegation matches? Yup, TBD at the 2013 MLG Spring Championship Promotion CoL at the PAX 2013/Spring Promotion Qualifier The other teams are TBD, qualifying means TBD.... | ||
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skykh
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On September 13 2013 00:18 Redox wrote: Your 6-7 months dont make sense. Either they qualify for LCS, or they dont. As long as they are in LCS, they stay. If they dont make it in, they might leave. If they do bad after spring split(after worlds until april it's 6 months) i doubt locodoco will stay at the sinking boot. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:03 TheYango wrote: More likely that the level of NA increases slightly, while this team's skill level deteriorates a lot. Even if it's only slightly, it'll be worth it. That said, there's a reason why bajillions of movies/TV shows play up the importance of rivals. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
They kept their team together even after relegation and even kept the gaming house. Nice of them. They've placed their faith in North American talent. Maybe they wouldn't qualify anyway, but with Quantic their chances are lessened, most likely. So if the team disbands after failing to qualify - If I'm Complexity, you know what I'm doing with my nice, empty gaming house? I'm finding 5 Koreans and I'm going for the LCS in the next split. You can't set this precedent. Sponsors aren't stupid. If they know they can bring over 5 decent Koreans and qualify for the LCS, they are going to. No one will want to sponsor NA talent and then the scene dies. If only this had happened in some other scene, RIOT could have known this would happen....hmmmmm | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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DonKey_
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:25 DonKey_ wrote: So this means these KR players can only scrim with NA teams now? Not sure how bad the ping difference would be. None? cuz they're moving to NA... | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:20 onlywonderboy wrote: That's a pretty doomsday scenario. Finding five players willing to move to NA and live here is a pretty tall order. Plus if too many KR players come over the level of competition rises and it's not nearly as easy, making it less appealing. Yeah it's so difficult to offer players a salary and a house in one of the nicest places in the world to play video games. Certainly no one will be interested in that. As for the competition rising here are our 3 teams being threatened by relegation:Curse, Coast, Velocity. In our doomsday scenario all three get relegated and replaced by Korean teams. Next relegation round. 1 of the Korean teams, Dignitas, CLG. Would you take your chances of a half decent Korean team over CLG or Dig? I would. That scenario is almost certainly not going to happen, but WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU OPEN THE DOOR TO IT. I actually have a solution already - Expand the LCS to 10 teams. Allow a maximum of 2 'foreign' teams. The foreign team that finishes behind the other is eligible to be relegated and replaced by another foreign team. Domestic Promotion/Relegation stays the same. People get their Korean teams to | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Also, keep in mind Quantic gaming has been in the NA scene, so even if players are foreign, the organization is American. + Show Spoiler + Yeah it's so difficult to offer players a salary and a house in one of the nicest places in the world to play video games. Certainly no one will be interested in that. It's hard to say, Korean teams salaries are pretty hush hush (as is most esports money related things). Riot money isn't even that good, it's just enough to keep teams playing in LCS, but it's definitely no lap of luxury. You still need to find sponsors, and sponsors in NA aren't going to flock to an unproven team with "faceless koreans" (yes this stereotype is false, but the fact that the main audience sees them as such, is what sponsors are going to be looking at). Not to mention, for them to succeed, they have to be THE BEST in LCS. C9 ain't chumps to just be shoved over. Do you know why I say "THE BEST"? And not just 2nd or 3rd place? Looks at Vulcun, full of Amurrikans (except godwater), and they're fucking destitute in regards to popularity despite being 2nd place in season (3rd in playoffs in spring and summer). What makes you think NA fans are going to all of sudden jump on Quantic bandwagon if they don't place 1st in LCS, muchless a 2nd full korean team joining NA LCS.? Cuz lets face it, there's only 1 spot for #1, and if there are 2 teams of "faceless koreans", only one is going to actually live in such "nicest places in the world to play video games". Also, look at the fucking house tour for the #1 team in NA, Cloud 9, they fucking live in a fucking mini-apartment, that was meant for maybe like 3 people, hardly great living conditions. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On the other hand, I am a whole-hearted advocate of labor mobility, and the recruitment of foreign players into more domestic leagues is certainly not unheard of. Just consider the number of Russians, Swedes, Canadians (Hockey Players #1 export), etc., in the NHL, for instance. So long as efforts are made to humanize them (so they aren't "faceless Koreans"), I don't think introduction of foreign players onto NA LCS teams (or forming teams of their own) would "kill" the NA scene. Fan popularity will go towards players that they can relate to, whom have public personas or personalities for people to latch onto. Let's take Dig for instance, Patoy was heavily underrated and lacked popularity in the Spring Split, because no one knew him (same with qtpie). The only person on Dig who was really popular and known was Scarra and somewhat Crumbzz, because they streamed. Then imaqtpie started streaming, and everyone became a fan of his, because he is hilarious (just no one knew). Then there are more Dig fans. Etc. Player and team popularity come from things like this. If people don't know the players (like Vulcun, besides the shittalking Zuna does)...well. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
Finding sponsors would be hard, thats why it would be easier for an established org like Complexity, if they see Quantic succeed, to take the same approach. And thats the big thing for me. It creates a disincentive for Complexity, who have been maintaining their team with NA talent, when the easier (maybe?) route is to recruit foreign players to qualify. And if your sponsors put an emphasis on being visible in one of the most viewed e-Sport at the moment, it doesn't matter if you qualify from 5 movie stars from NA or 5 robots from Iceland, visibility is visibility. And if Complexity do it, then Team Liquid/Na'vii or any other e-sports organization that is on the outside looking in can do it (SK? aAa?). We want more sponsors in the scene and they should do it through sponsoring an amateur team and hoping that they make it to the big time in the LCS, not creating a shortcut like what Quantic is doing. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:57 Lord Tolkien wrote: I am abit apprehensive about this news. On the one hand, I would be absolutely thrilled if they could raise the level of competition in the NA LCS. On the other: the potential for the precedent to be set for the NA LCS to become like SC2's WCS. The residency requirement by itself should be a significant factor that prevents it from being detrimental for the NA scene, but only so long as it isn't a flood of teams, so to speak. On the other hand, I am a whole-hearted advocate of labor mobility, and the recruitment of foreign players into more domestic leagues is certainly not unheard of. Just consider the number of Russians, Swedes, Canadians (Hockey Players #1 export), etc., in the NHL, for instance. So long as efforts are made to humanize them (so they aren't "faceless Koreans"), I don't think introduction of foreign players onto NA LCS teams (or forming teams of their own) would "kill" the NA scene. Idk if I'd call Woong faceless lol | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
I was speaking about them playing other Korean teams, Because it looks as though now they will have to exclusively scrim the NA teams. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:58 Amethyst21 wrote: No one is getting rich off of RIOT salary, clearly. Free housing + whatever perks + playing video games for a living is pretty good though (not for everyone, admittedly) Finding sponsors would be hard, thats why it would be easier for an established org like Complexity, if they see Quantic succeed, to take the same approach. And thats the big thing for me. It creates a disincentive for Complexity, who have been maintaining their team with NA talent, when the easier (maybe?) route is to recruit foreign players to qualify. And if your sponsors put an emphasis on being visible in one of the most viewed e-Sport at the moment, it doesn't matter if you qualify from 5 movie stars from NA or 5 robots from Iceland, visibility is visibility. And if Complexity do it, then Team Liquid/Na'vii or any other e-sports organization that is on the outside looking in can do it (SK? aAa?). We want more sponsors in the scene and they should do it through sponsoring an amateur team and hoping that they make it to the big time in the LCS, not creating a shortcut like what Quantic is doing. Please, Vulcun and Coast still ain't got shit for popularity. Sponsors with any actual heft want personalities and viewership. Unless another 3 top notch full korean teams come out, and crowd out LCS spots, Sponsors are still going to stick with big personality teams that are just good enough for LCS, rather than #2 teams with no personality. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
If top NA teams would get their asses kicked by several low (possibly non Champions level) tier KR teams, it would be sad, but also quite unlikely in my opinion. They have all the tools to step it up if Koreans come to NA to play and practice. In SC2 foreigners are fucked because many of them don't nearly have the infrastructure that LCS teams have nowadays. The difference to SC2 is that the really good teams (at least top 16) will want to stay in Korea no matter what in the future, because the money/exposure/fans/everything you can get there is better than in the West. In SC2 this isn't the case anymore, because the Korean SC2 audience is very small, while the foreign SC2 audience is big in comparison. If more Koreans were to decide to come to NA to play there, it would only be bottom tier pro teams. And if NA can't handle them, I don't know what to tell you. LCS teams have the best chances out of any foreigner scene to step it up and compete with the Koreans and I believe because of that they will at least be able to fend off a low tier Korean "invasion". Ultimately this might be the kick in the ass that NA needs to get more competitive as a whole. Teams like C9 already show promise of how new talent can be fostered and kick complete ass, and I'm sure there are more teams like C9 that will evolve from the NA talent pool over time, especially if the region gets more competitive overall. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 13 2013 04:01 onlywonderboy wrote: Idk if I'd call Woong faceless lol Well, the only exposure most NA fans have had was the whole screen looking affair during the S2 finals, and calls of cheating etc. They don't know anything else about him. Since you quoted me before I edited my example in, back in S1/S2 people didn't GAF about imaqtpie besides remarking on his hair. Now, he has a massive fanbase because he started streaming. Developing a player's character and personality in the minds of the fans is just as important to an eSport as the competition itself. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On September 13 2013 03:57 Lord Tolkien wrote: I am abit apprehensive about this news. On the one hand, I would be absolutely thrilled if they could raise the level of competition in the NA LCS. On the other: the potential for the precedent to be set for the NA LCS to become like SC2's WCS. The residency requirement by itself should be a significant factor that prevents it from being detrimental for the NA scene, but only so long as it isn't a flood of teams, so to speak. On the other hand, I am a whole-hearted advocate of labor mobility, and the recruitment of foreign players into more domestic leagues is certainly not unheard of. Just consider the number of Russians, Swedes, Canadians (Hockey Players #1 export), etc., in the NHL, for instance. So long as efforts are made to humanize them (so they aren't "faceless Koreans"), I don't think introduction of foreign players onto NA LCS teams (or forming teams of their own) would "kill" the NA scene. C9 raised the level of competition in the LCS. That really improved the NA teams.... (You could argue Vulcun did improve drastically, thats about it) Were CLG.eu much better for playing in OGN and staying in Korea? It didn't help CLG.na any. I don't know where this 'raising the level of competition' thing started but it doesn't make any sense to me. I play Rafa Nadal in tennis 100 times. He beats me in all 100. Am I magically a better player? I lose 100 solo q games to people better than me. Did I improve? (The answer may be yes...I'm just not sure how to prove it, or what proof there is) The problem with comparing the movement of players to the NHL is that there is huge infrastructure for hockey players. You can play hockey professionally in North America, plus many other European countries. There is probably like 3,000 professional hockey players in the world, of course its not going to hurt any country if 50 of the 3,000 are now Korean and they made 50 Canadians unemployed. Yet with 40 paid NA positions and 40 paid EU positions, each one of them is precious. If 5 Koreans join and eliminate 5 'westerners' you just lost 12% of the North American population of pro LoL players. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
They actually already live here. They announced this after they moved to LA. On September 13 2013 03:31 Amethyst21 wrote: Yeah it's so difficult to offer players a salary and a house in one of the nicest places in the world to play video games. Certainly no one will be interested in that. Not many B-tier pros are going to be interested in leaving their homes for at least a year to move to America. This isn't like Starcraft where there are just tons of semi-pro players. It's possible that league will grow more and more in Korea but the team aspect alone should reduce the number of Koreans who want to take a chance here. Also, if sponsors just start picking up random Korean players from solo queue I doubt they could compete with NA LCS teams (and if they could then I really wouldn't want to see those teams in the LCS to begin with). On September 13 2013 03:31 Amethyst21 wrote: I actually have a solution already - Expand the LCS to 10 teams. Allow a maximum of 2 'foreign' teams. The foreign team that finishes behind the other is eligible to be relegated and replaced by another foreign team. Domestic Promotion/Relegation stays the same. People get their Korean teams to That sounds really stupid. If they did something like that Curse would need to drop Nyjacky/Edward as it'd only be fair. Vulcun would need to drop Bloodwater. Requiring you to be an American citizen to play in the league would be completely unprecedented and frankly a bit xenophobic. If a team of five guys is willing to live here they should be allowed to compete imo. | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On September 12 2013 16:10 Kouda wrote: Yo. Velocity is fucked LOL Might need some KY Jelly for the incoming anus pounding... In all honesty though, I really feel sorry for them. Even though they had an arguably easy road to get into the LCS, losing games and getting bashed by all the LCS viewers is some real harsh stuff. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 04:01 onlywonderboy wrote: Idk if I'd call Woong faceless lol Neither is locodoco, but that's not the point. the point is how the overall audience views these players, cuz thats what sponsors looks at, not the hardcore niche pro scene followers that actually know these players have history/personalities. | ||
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lefty
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 13 2013 04:06 Amethyst21 wrote: I don't know where this 'raising the level of competition' thing started but it doesn't make any sense to me. I play Rafa Nadal in tennis 100 times. He beats me in all 100. Am I magically a better player? I certainly believe so. If you're already a lower tier Tennis pro and get the chance to train against this guy (I have no idea about tennis, sorry!) you are bound to get better, or get replaced by someone better than you if you can't manage to improve to save your life. The way you raise the overall level of competition of a scene can't be reduced to individuals though, because in order to make it more competitive in the first place, sub-par individuals need to get switched out and replaced. That's how Korea works. It's not that every Korean is magically good, but because of the cut throat nature of the scene only the very best make it to a top team. If you play for SKT and underperform you will be out of the door tomorrow. It's like evolution man, survival of the fittest or something, you either improve with all your power or someone else takes your place.  | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
I'm just very concerned about the precedent being set, and once the horse is gone - you can't lock the door. Cheers all. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 13 2013 04:06 Amethyst21 wrote: The problem with comparing the movement of players to the NHL is that there is huge infrastructure for hockey players. You can play hockey professionally in North America, plus many other European countries. There is probably like 3,000 professional hockey players in the world, of course its not going to hurt any country if 50 of the 3,000 are now Korean and they made 50 Canadians unemployed. Yet with 40 paid NA positions and 40 paid EU positions, each one of them is precious. If 5 Koreans join and eliminate 5 'westerners' you just lost 12% of the North American population of pro LoL players. True enough, at present the NA (and a slightly lesser extent, EU) infrastructure is quite limited, so it can't be anywhere close to the same scale as that present in more established international sports, be it baseball, hockey, etc, and likely won't be anytime soon. However, the point still stands in that these teams and sports aren't unwatchable for the average fan, whom can still be readily attached to a sports team despite being filled with "foreign" players. And I would like to specifically point out: I don't know where this 'raising the level of competition' thing started but it doesn't make any sense to me. I play Rafa Nadal in tennis 100 times. He beats me in all 100. Am I magically a better player? I lose 100 solo q games to people better than me. Did I improve? (The answer may be yes...I'm just not sure how to prove it, or what proof there is) Yes. you learn, gain, and improve FAR more from losing than you do from winning, and keep in mind that the Korean teams need to live in the US (and play on US servers), provided you sit down and figure out what they did better than you and what you did wrong. They need to constantly play to maintain their edge (both soloQ and scrim LCS teams), and in the long run provides a great deal of competitive pressure and opportunities for growth and improvement. If I have holes in my top lane play and I keep winning, those holes aren't exposed. If someone beats me and exploits those problems, I learn what the flaws in my play are and I improve by patching them up. Provided the KR teams/players are anywhere close to decent, at any rate. I'm of the opinion that this team definitely won't qualify for S4 WCs (though I can be wrong), because the NA/EU LCS has absolutely helped the NA teams improve competitively (the gap is closer than what it was near the end of S2/beginning of S3, at any rate). | ||
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NeoIllusions
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On September 13 2013 04:51 NeoIllusions wrote: Funny how they don't have level 30 accounts, so Loco is stomping normal games right now on NA with his team. If they are streaming that, do you have a link to the stream? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 13 2013 04:55 57 Corvette wrote: If they are streaming that, do you have a link to the stream? They're not streaming, I'm just spectating through client. Edit: and these games are just roflstomps, nothing to really talk about either. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 13 2013 04:55 57 Corvette wrote: If they are streaming that, do you have a link to the stream? BallerIllusions here probably has Loco on his FL and is speccing him. Corvette plz. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On September 13 2013 04:51 NeoIllusions wrote: Funny how they don't have level 30 accounts, so Loco is stomping normal games right now on NA with his team. But Woong has like 8 NA accounts. Did he forget the passwords? Lol. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 13 2013 05:16 Chrispy wrote: But Woong has like 8 NA accounts. Did he forget the passwords? Lol. He transferred a large chunk of them to the KR server when it opened two years ago and likely gave a number of them to friends. Riotplz | ||
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Diamond
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Kuja900
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On September 13 2013 04:05 UmberBane wrote: So my take on all of this is simple: If top NA teams would get their asses kicked by several low (possibly non Champions level) tier KR teams, it would be sad, but also quite unlikely in my opinion. They have all the tools to step it up if Koreans come to NA to play and practice. In SC2 foreigners are fucked because many of them don't nearly have the infrastructure that LCS teams have nowadays. The difference to SC2 is that the really good teams (at least top 16) will want to stay in Korea no matter what in the future, because the money/exposure/fans/everything you can get there is better than in the West. In SC2 this isn't the case anymore, because the Korean SC2 audience is very small, while the foreign SC2 audience is big in comparison. If more Koreans were to decide to come to NA to play there, it would only be bottom tier pro teams. And if NA can't handle them, I don't know what to tell you. LCS teams have the best chances out of any foreigner scene to step it up and compete with the Koreans and I believe because of that they will at least be able to fend off a low tier Korean "invasion". Ultimately this might be the kick in the ass that NA needs to get more competitive as a whole. Teams like C9 already show promise of how new talent can be fostered and kick complete ass, and I'm sure there are more teams like C9 that will evolve from the NA talent pool over time, especially if the region gets more competitive overall. EU>NA still, you remove the aberration that is Cloud 9 and its not even close :| | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
Quantic playing tomorrow in the ggLA challenger tournament, guess they do have 30s | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 06:40 Vonthin wrote: https://twitter.com/ZionSpartan/status/378270311478599682 Quantic playing tomorrow in the ggLA challenger tournament, guess they do have 30s Oddly happy to play against Quantic. O.o DrunkScarra @DrunkScarra 39m But seriously what is next? Are they going to change the national bird from the bald eagle to kimchi? #unacceptable #cabbageisnotabird Oh god, drunk scarra is one of the best LoLrelated twitters. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
It was a big problem for SC2 WCS because a good portion of it could be done online meaning Korean pros had basically nothing to lose by participating in NA/EU WCS. If there's a residency clause for qualify it at least ensures that the Korean teams interested in moving over has to really invest and lose out on the large eSports infrastructure in Korea. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 06:59 Ryuu314 wrote: Honestly, so long as what happened to SC2 WCS doesn't happen to NA LCS I think it's fine. This potential problem can easily be circumvented if Riot implements a residency clause in qualifying for LCS. It was a big problem for SC2 WCS because a good portion of it could be done online meaning Korean pros had basically nothing to lose by participating in NA/EU WCS. Please, chanting EU for MVP is one of the most glorious things ever. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
They wouldn't let the "Faceless Korean" problem happen here. Nothing more to it. | ||
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Roffles
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
https://mobile.twitter.com/AGeNtl0l/status/378279286412541952?screen_name=AGeNtl0l This is NOT the only KR team that will be in NA in the next few months. Already know similar things in progress. | ||
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wei2coolman
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oneofthem
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as if more competition and strategy variance isn't good. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Managed properly, however, this could be amazing for the LoL scene worldwide. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 13 2013 07:58 Ryuu314 wrote: A lot of people, myself included, are wary of what happened to SC2 WCS happening to League LCS. While the quality of games may increase, it's ultimately not good for the scene, especially from a fan/spectator perspective. It's less exciting to the average League player/spectator to root for a bunch of Koreans versus another bunch of Koreans. There are a lot of factors that caused SC2 and the WCS's failure to really pick up the way people wanted it to, but the "faceless Korean" problem was definitely part of it (at least in the West). Managed properly, however, this could be amazing for the LoL scene worldwide. Provided the respective regional scenes are not crowded out, yes. A few teams, yes, but too many, no. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
A good comparison for those that follow football is the English Premier League and the English national team. The EPL in the last dozen years has had a huge influx of foreign talent largely because of the wealth of the league. Consequently (this is up for debate) the English national side has become weaker and weaker because English talents have not had the opportunities to play and train for the best clubs anymore. It is not uncommon for teams like Chelsea and Arsenal to field 0 English players in their starting line up. Thus, you can see, even for a hugely wealthy, established scene like football in England, importing talent can hinder the progress of young players from the home nation. No doubt the effects will be even stronger in a less established scene like e-sports (as can be seen in sc2). So, it's a difficult dilemma. Personally I think it's best to wait and see what happens. Since you have to reside in the LCS nation it's probably a big step for many Korean players, not to mention the League scene in Korea is more lucrative I feel like then sc2 for example, and thus less players may be inclined to make that step. Ultimately though, if things get out of hand I think steps should be taken to limit foreign talents from flooding the LCS (not just Koreans). I'd rather develop the NA scene so that future gamers can make a career out of League then watch the highest level of competition in NA. After all, I can always watch OGN. | ||
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ProV1
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 09:13 ProV1 wrote: I wish if koreans are at least coming over, they are proficient enough in english to answer interview questions in proficient english without the need of a translator. I mean nowadays playing LoL fulltime is a job, and I wish people would be at least somewhat professional. You're being paid to work in a foreign country, respect their language and the culture. Also, you're an entertainer, and people watching LoL want a show. That show gets less entertaining when u don't know wtf people are saying, and the translator puts like no emotion into translations. No one in Dig, CLG, or EG speaks Korean, just saying. | ||
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ProV1
United States980 Posts
On September 13 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote: No one in Dig, CLG, or EG speaks Korean, just saying. They were invited by OGN to come play in their league. No1 invited the koreans over, and gave them direct seeds. | ||
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GTR
51453 Posts
On September 13 2013 07:23 Ryuu314 wrote: I personally more ok with the Quantic lineup coming over to NA LCS because Locodoco and Woong have a long and storied history on NA servers. They have a decently sized fan (and anti-fan) base in NA plus they were among the front runners of NA LoL prior to Korea developing their LoL scene. If it was say, CTU or Jin Air coming over to NA LCS I'd be more salty since those guys really don't have much if any history as NA players. highly doubt you'd see them teams come over as their sponsors are only known domestically. i think the team with the biggest chance of moving over is team alienware. alienware is a global brand and they haven't been able to break through into champions so far. also wouldn't shock me if bischu would be part of those plans. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
Where's the locodoco hype train!? I am ecstatic that he's back in NA. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 13 2013 07:28 nojitosunrise wrote: Well this is interesting https://mobile.twitter.com/AGeNtl0l/status/378279286412541952?screen_name=AGeNtl0l Hmm...I'll be interested to see how this develops. This sort of worries me though since Curse is on the chopping block. I wanted them to play a bad NA team, not the best ones because it's a better option than playing the Korean teams. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On September 13 2013 09:13 Pantagruel wrote: I don't know what to think about this really. On the one hand, the best players should be able to qualify for the NA LCS so long as they reside in the United States. On the other hand, if it becomes common occurrence for Korean teams to move to NA/EU to compete in LCS then it will most definitely damage the respective scenes. A good comparison for those that follow football is the English Premier League and the English national team. The EPL in the last dozen years has had a huge influx of foreign talent largely because of the wealth of the league. Consequently (this is up for debate) the English national side has become weaker and weaker because English talents have not had the opportunities to play and train for the best clubs anymore. It is not uncommon for teams like Chelsea and Arsenal to field 0 English players in their starting line up. Thus, you can see, even for a hugely wealthy, established scene like football in England, importing talent can hinder the progress of young players from the home nation. No doubt the effects will be even stronger in a less established scene like e-sports (as can be seen in sc2). So, it's a difficult dilemma. Personally I think it's best to wait and see what happens. Since you have to reside in the LCS nation it's probably a big step for many Korean players, not to mention the League scene in Korea is more lucrative I feel like then sc2 for example, and thus less players may be inclined to make that step. Ultimately though, if things get out of hand I think steps should be taken to limit foreign talents from flooding the LCS (not just Koreans). I'd rather develop the NA scene so that future gamers can make a career out of League then watch the highest level of competition in NA. After all, I can always watch OGN. Seems like a weak argument comparing it to football. There are so many high level leagues that it really doesn't matter too much. Hell look at US soccer which has a shit domestic league compared to the rest of the world and the national team is slowly getting better with more talent depth. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On September 13 2013 12:19 Slaughter wrote: Seems like a weak argument comparing it to football. There are so many high level leagues that it really doesn't matter too much. Hell look at US soccer which has a shit domestic league compared to the rest of the world and the national team is slowly getting better with more talent depth. Why is it a weak argument comparing it to football? The fact that there are a few other high level leagues around the world is not really relevant to the situation in England. In Spain for example, another high level league, the percentage of Spanish players on their domestic teams is vastly higher then in England. The Spanish national team is the best in the world right now. Furthermore, amusingly enough, the US domestic soccer league is improving recently with quite a few talented younger players breaking through into the national team and they limit the number of foreign players allowed on the team stringently. This more or less proves my point. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On September 13 2013 13:22 chalice wrote: yeah but spanish soccer players are actually good. i think england's inferiority to spain in developing football talent starts way before a young english player ever gets near competing for a premier league starting 11 spot. Maybe. They have a Dutch training system set up by Johan Cruijf essentially which starts at an extremely young age. Nonetheless, aside from Barcelona and Real Madrid (although that's beginning to change now too with teams like Malaga) no one in Spain can buy foreign talent. Even if they wanted to buy better players they couldn't. This forces them to work with domestic players and improve them. Even lower end premier league clubs buy foreign players in droves for millions of euros. I think it's pretty much undeniable that mass importation of foreign talent will weaken your domestic scene. I'm not saying that's going to happen in League, but I'd definately be wary about it. With that said, I'm kind of excited to see how Loco's team fares in NA LCS if they make it in. I'm thinking they will fight with c9 for 1st in the league, maybe with Vulcun for 2nd if Vulcun polishes a bit. I look forward to watching s4. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 13 2013 06:32 Kuja900 wrote: EU>NA still, you remove the aberration that is Cloud 9 and its not even close :| I think you might have replied to the wrong comment | ||
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niukasu1990
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UmberBane
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
As much as I like to shit on NA, I don't want this to come through. Watching bad vs bad plays is entertaining, but watching stomps - and listening to the "they shouldn't be allowed in the NA LCS!" rant every time - will bore me to death soon enough. And what is this talk about NA needing to shape up and Quantic might force them to do so? There are two possibilities: 1. NA teams are self-aware that they are pretty terrible, and are trying to genuenly improve (is Kiwikid fired yet?), not just the usual media bullshit. 2. NA teams are ignorant, and will always find something to hide behind, in this case: "We are actually pretty good, but they have weird eyes, that completely throw us off" - and it's a nobrainer which side will the fans support. Goodguy Scarra, Regibro, pillowmaster Dyrus, so cool and sexy Stvicious, best individual entity in the whole universe doublelift, donger qtpie, or the warmonger Korean invaders. I'm surprised that Riot would willing to show such weakness in their PR machine. If they wanted to humiliate the NA scene, then just make room for some cross-region tournaments, where they make sure at least one of the three main regions can't participate, so it won't be a mini-Worlds. This is terrible in every possible aspect, and Riot should actively work againts it, before it gets out of hand and they'll be forced to either look racist, or stick with a fucked up league. | ||
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oneofthem
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maybe it's just not as good of a game as people thought | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Also while I'm a pretty big korea fanboy a statement like from lastshadow ("any ro8 team from NLB>>top NA Teams) is just dumb. I'm also not expecting Quantic to dominate LCS like C9 did this split but they will be good. ByeBye VES. pretty hyped for tonight's match, more than for gg.eu vs TSM :D would be funny if they played with lvl 20 accounts and beat Coast with limited runes/masteries :D | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
Where can I watch tonight's match btw? Completely went over my head. | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 13 2013 17:06 UmberBane wrote: Meh I guess/hope he is going to become a coach for CJ when he is retiring. I'm confident that he'd be a very good coach and analyst and probably serve the team way more than with his (by Korean standards) mediocre jungling. He's still a brilliant jungler and he's been trying to adapt. But maybe his age is too old for such an active position in today's meta. I was thinking the same that I hope he becomes a CJ coach. | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 14 2013 00:23 UmberBane wrote: Haha, I like Nick a lot, but he goes a little overboard with his KR versus NA comparisons from time to time. Where can I watch tonight's match btw? Completely went over my head. Here yo http://www.twitch.tv/gglaTV | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
in how many hours? | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
I think in 3h10m according to chat. | ||
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UmberBane
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On September 14 2013 00:58 Chexx wrote: and thats too late for me :< Well they have free vods, so you should be able to check it out tomorrow. Is anyone else watching the game? | ||
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seRapH
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
They had to reset the countdown several times and now it's simply changed to "soon". | ||
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Slusher
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NeoIllusions
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On September 14 2013 04:14 UmberBane wrote: Ahh so which thread are we using now? I said, if it's Quantic (Loco) related, use this thread. | ||
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AsnSensation
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 probably spend a decent of RP to buy some. | ||
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wei2coolman
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AsnSensation
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On September 14 2013 04:30 Amethyst21 wrote: Looks like Prime might be the most effected by the only lvl 21 runes and masteries. He seems squishy on J4 yeah has only this runepage http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/47573742#runes and 9/12/0 masteries | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
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if they waited when they were all level 30 in a week or whatever some other news headline would've grabbed people's attention and i don't think they couldve gotten this many viewers | ||
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wei2coolman
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Flakes
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hnng "gunza control" omg these puns lol | ||
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Seuss
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Edit: I really, *really*, really don't envy Prime jungling at level 21. | ||
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nafta
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AsnSensation
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On September 14 2013 04:36 Amethyst21 wrote: Yup, I remember this Coast team #freeJintae the Mashme flash was godlike. Loco triple ! | ||
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wei2coolman
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On September 14 2013 04:38 nafta wrote: Woong just goes for sheen on his nasus lol. if he goes triforce he'll be a god. | ||
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Flakes
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or at very least a hero of time | ||
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cLutZ
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Amethyst21
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Coast still have huge problems in decision making. I blame Elementz :p | ||
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wei2coolman
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Seuss
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Noctune/Shen ults won't be up for Dragon. | ||
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Amethyst21
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On September 14 2013 04:42 wei2coolman wrote: Wow, Apple so strong, needed shen ulti + noc ulti, to keep shiphtur alive. Helps that Shipthur has never, ever been a good Zed. And it was a nice powerspike for Ahri with the dfg. But yeah, you shouldn't need 3 ults to kill Ahri | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:43 UmberBane wrote: Loco must have a lvl 30 account, though? Yep loco is on his S1 account. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:43 UmberBane wrote: Loco must have a lvl 30 account, though? Loco's account is lvl 30. The rest aren't. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:43 UmberBane wrote: Loco must have a lvl 30 account, though? ya loco is the only one lvl 30 I actually think it's kinda sad Coast is only 2k gold ahead by 20min instead of stomping. 4 Lvl 21s cmon... But people might consider that Blind NA hate and Korean fanboyism | ||
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wei2coolman
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On September 14 2013 04:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Where is this game? http://www.twitch.tv/gglatv | ||
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Nos-
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GUNZA WITH THE GREAT FLASH BACKWARDS FLAY | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:46 UmberBane wrote: Gunza is really impressive so far, I have to say yeah, his vision control + threshmechanics in this game have been on point. | ||
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Seuss
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:46 Seuss wrote: Prime is only level 9. He's hurting bad. Jungling without full runes/masteries must be a form of hell. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Not really impressed with Quantic so far. I dont think the sub-level-30 thing is helping them, but still. | ||
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South Africa35471 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:46 Seuss wrote: Prime is only level 9. He's hurting bad. jungling probably the hardest thing without runes and masteries :[ | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:47 wei2coolman wrote: interesting choice to still going SV first defensive item on nasus, despite only AP dmg being fiddle. probably to give nasus that extra sustain to make him a god | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:47 BrownBear wrote: What's with the #freejintae spam? What is this, Twitch chat? Not really impressed with Quantic so far. I dont think the sub-level-30 thing is helping them, but still. Jintae was on Coasts's team last split, and is way better than shiphtur. But Coast decides to go with shiphtur on their team. :/ | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:47 wei2coolman wrote: interesting choice to still going SV first defensive item on nasus, despite only AP dmg being fiddle. The sustain bonus is too good on nasus to overlook. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:48 bokchoi wrote: probably to give nasus that extra sustain to make him a god 20% CDR is also nothing to sniff at. More Withers, More Qs, more death. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:47 Fusilero wrote: Jungling without full runes/masteries must be a form of hell. I jungled with 4-0-26 support masteries instead of 21-9-0 on Vi the other day, I was shocked how low I dropped, even after burning all 5 pots. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:48 bokchoi wrote: probably to give nasus that extra sustain to make him a god Yeah, that's what I figured, but if that was the case, I would have gone for it as a 3rd item, rather than 2nd. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:47 wei2coolman wrote: interesting choice to still going SV first defensive item on nasus, despite only AP dmg being fiddle. The extra sustain, plus the cdr teamed up with frozen fist is really good, also shen does a lot more magic than physical with his passive,q and sunfire cape | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote: Jintae was on Coasts's team last split, and is way better than shiphtur. But Coast decides to go with shiphtur on their team. :/ No, I know what that is. I was more asking why TL users were deciding to clog up the thread by basically doing the equivalent of dogfacenospace. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:50 Vonthin wrote: The extra sustain, plus the cdr teamed up with frozen fist is really good, also shen does a lot more magic than physical with his passive,q and sunfire cape The biggest point I was trying to make, was how fucking silly SV is good, full AD team? Better build MR item, SV. lol. On September 14 2013 04:50 BrownBear wrote: No, I know what that is. I was more asking why TL users were deciding to clog up the thread by basically doing the equivalent of dogfacenospace. Do you even raise your donger? | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:52 wei2coolman wrote: The biggest point I was trying to make, was how fucking silly SV is good, full AD team? Better build MR item, SV. lol. Do you even raise your donger? SV too good. It'd probably be gold efficient without the MR. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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It does that every time idk why I'm particularly surprised this time | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:54 GhandiEAGLE wrote: This Twitch.tv chat makes me want to kill myself It does that every time idk why I'm particularly surprised this time full screen or hide chat for your sanity | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
This game doesn't really tell us much I think. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:55 Amethyst21 wrote: Woong played really well this game. Quantic just got a bit too far behind in laning phase - which was a combination of Prime achieving nothing and lack of runes making it harder to go win lanes. This game doesn't really tell us much I think. Woong and Loco played well, I'm fairly suspect of Prime and Apple. If they're struggling against the 7th place NALCS team, that can't be good news for them. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
What happens next depends a lot on the next Baron/Team Fight. On September 14 2013 04:57 BrownBear wrote: Woong and Loco played well, I'm fairly suspect of Prime and Apple. If they're struggling against the 7th place NALCS team, that can't be good news for them. I have a hard time blaming Prime. Try jungling with subpar runes/masteries sometime. It's horrible. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:55 Amethyst21 wrote: Woong played really well this game. Quantic just got a bit too far behind in laning phase - which was a combination of Prime achieving nothing and lack of runes making it harder to go win lanes. This game doesn't really tell us much I think. These games will really just be a preview of what Quantic as a team are capable of. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:57 BrownBear wrote: Woong and Loco played well, I'm fairly suspect of Prime and Apple. If they're struggling against the 7th place NALCS team, that can't be good news for them. It's hard to judge prime since it really is impossible to jungle properly without a full set up. As for apple idk he looked incredibly promising in his debut ogn season on blitz but that was on top. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:57 BrownBear wrote: Woong and Loco played well, I'm fairly suspect of Prime and Apple. If they're struggling against the 7th place NALCS team, that can't be good news for them. They are level 21, have you ever tried jungling without full runes and masteries, especially on someone like j4, they did alright with the handicap | ||
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SimulatedAnneal
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On September 14 2013 04:55 Amethyst21 wrote: Woong played really well this game. Quantic just got a bit too far behind in laning phase - which was a combination of Prime achieving nothing and lack of runes making it harder to go win lanes. This game doesn't really tell us much I think. A reasoned response isn't what we're looking for. This obviously means Regi will outplay Faker, TSM will win their group, C9 will win worlds, and TL LoL forums will shut down for a few days because everyone will self ban. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:58 Fusilero wrote: It's hard to judge prime since it really is impossible to jungle properly without a full set up. As for apple idk he looked incredibly promising in his debut ogn season on blitz but that was on top. Apple had so many outplay opportunities on Shiphtur that just barely didn't happen. Gotta argue, if he had full runes and masteries he would've been able to pick off Shiphtur and not get snowballed on. On September 14 2013 05:00 nafta wrote: Honestly loco hasn't played well this game dunno where you got that from. Considering he's gotta play tag-along with his whole team because of how behind they've been this entire game he's done fairly "well" | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On September 14 2013 04:57 Seuss wrote: Game's not over yet, and Quantic has the better late-game team comp. What happens next depends a lot on the next Baron/Team Fight. I have a hard time blaming Prime. Try jungling with subpar runes/masteries sometime. It's horrible. That's a fair point, once he hits 30 we'll see what he's truly capable of. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
(and they keep calling the total bonus damage 'stacks' zzz) | ||
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South Africa35471 Posts
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:01 Flakes wrote: pretty sure you don't get multiple q stacks from IBG (and they keep calling the total bonus damage 'stacks' zzz) you don't, i play a lot of top nasus and build IBG and you don't get additional stacks | ||
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Amethyst21
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On September 14 2013 05:04 Nos- wrote: wait Prime's summoner lvl9? I thought Monte was referring to his ingame level being 9. Aren't they all summoner lvl20+? 21-23 are the levels on Prime, Woong, Gunza and Apple. Loco is 30 Specifiically Woong is 21 (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/47563703) Prime is 21 (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/47573742) Apple is 20 (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/47503593) Gunza is 22 (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/47593710) | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:04 Nos- wrote: wait Prime's summoner lvl9? I thought Monte was referring to his ingame level being 9. Aren't they all summoner lvl20+? I meant ingame. His summoner level is 21, but that's still a huge handicap. I really can't emphasize enough how much those levels mean for a jungler. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:04 Nos- wrote: wait Prime's summoner lvl9? I thought Monte was referring to his ingame level being 9. Aren't they all summoner lvl20+? he is 21, i just checked on lolking, he was referring to when he was lvl9 in game and getting rolled when noct was 12 | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
unless quantic want the excuse for losing in their back pocket | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:05 UmberBane wrote: Must be really nice for GGLA... usually 1k viewers, now 40k ggLA biggest winner. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:11 wei2coolman wrote: Pretty impressive for quantic to extend this game to this length. Huh? They didnt do much more than attacking the minions that arrived at their base. Coast just finished it quite slowly. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:09 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I feel bad for Coast... if they win nobody gives them any props at all, if they lose then they get BMed out of existence. It's practically a lose/lose situation for them. If they'd just crushed from the outset and won in 20-30 minutes I think they'd have got some props. The problem is that their victory was very, very unconvincing. They had a huge lead, and yet still looked fairly shaky. It just took them so long to close out a game that, by all rights, should have been over 10 minutes sooner. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:14 Redox wrote: Huh? They didnt do much more than attacking the minions that arrived at their base. Coast just finished it quite slowly. 48min game, vs 4 lvl 21s | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:11 wei2coolman wrote: Pretty impressive for quantic to extend this game to this length. It was more bad/scared play by coast to extend it though. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:15 Fusilero wrote: It was more bad/scared play by coast to extend it though. what about safe play? | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:22 iKill[ShocK] wrote: realisticly does 9-10 summoner level make a huge difference? I'd say yes. Especially for jungle it's fucked up, but also for every other position's early game. Also you're massively out of your comfort zone and might lose trades that you win normally, which can make you tilt. | ||
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Lounge
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But I guess the more flavorful thing is to say how they're bad and can't even close games against level 20~ summoners. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
Unless Quantic wins the tournament, then everyone will remember | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:22 iKill[ShocK] wrote: realisticly does 9-10 summoner level make a huge difference? Missing 9-10 masteries, not being able to use full rune pages (and possibly not even having Greater Runes because of IP costs), yeah I'd say it's noticable. | ||
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United States2716 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:23 Flakes wrote: It's a tournament, so I guess we gotta cut coast some slack. They're obligated to do everything to ensure a win, and in a couple weeks no one's going to remember the minor details about each match, but they'll still have the W on their record book. Unless Quantic wins the tournament, then everyone will remember C9 would have ended that game at the 19 minute mark. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:22 Lounge wrote: Yeah you have to realize Coast is basically playing against a team that everyone has hyped as not only already being in the LCS, but going to go 30-0 in the LCS. I don't fault them for nerves/playing safe. Haven't paid too much attention to the discussions around this but do people really say that? They'd have hard time even in NLB with this line-up | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:22 iKill[ShocK] wrote: realisticly does 9-10 summoner level make a huge difference? I don't really remember the time when I leveld up and played a few games against lvl 30 but you can easily try it out by just take 2 instead of 3 quints, and 6 instead of 9 seals, glyphs & marks. Also only spec 1 Mastery tree max. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:28 Dan HH wrote: Haven't paid too much attention to the discussions around this but do people really say that? They'd have hard time even in NLB with this line-up There are some people who say that but they obviously have never actually seen those players play. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
sry 2 hype #locomikasa4ever | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:22 Lounge wrote: Yeah you have to realize Coast is basically playing against a team that everyone has hyped as not only already being in the LCS, but going to go 30-0 in the LCS. I don't fault them for nerves/playing safe. But I guess the more flavorful thing is to say how they're bad and can't even close games against level 20~ summoners. If Quantic wins, its because Quantic is second coming of based Jesus and NA teams have no hope against glorious new Korean overlords. If Quantic loses, it's because Coast took advantage of them being level 20s, and once they hit level 30 they will be second coming of based Jesus and NA teams will have no hope against glorious new Korean overlords. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:36 Kouda wrote: Atleast Locodoco looks good o u o pretty easy to do when you're the only one on quantic with a lvl 30 account | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:38 wei2coolman wrote: pretty easy to do when you're the only one on quantic with a lvl 30 account We need more positivity in this sub. Loco's hair is great. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:39 Slaughter wrote: How much have they played together? I believe since 2 months or so. | ||
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United States60033 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:40 Kouda wrote: We need more positivity in this sub. Loco's hair is great. #LocoMikasa4eva Honestly, everyone needs to take this tournament appearance for Quantic with a grain of salt. Will be excited when they have full runes/masteries and more champs unlocked. | ||
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JerKy
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theyre making so many basic positioning errors.. | ||
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Romania9118 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Still up in the air with Quantic. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
It's good Coast won (would have been pretty embarassing if they didn't) and now the fanboys will be like "NA has a chance at worlds" :D e: Zion pretty a beasty Nid, triforce proc and running through a brush gives hilarious movementspeed | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
oh and that the casters use 99% bullshit "caster-talk" lol. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:04 AsnSensation wrote: gg ! It's good Coast won (would have been pretty embarassing if they didn't) and now the fanboys will be like "NA has a chance at worlds" :D e: Zion pretty a beasty Nid, triforce proc and running through a brush gives hilarious movementspeed Not gonna go that far but they definitely have a chance to not lose to them in relegation. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:04 AsnSensation wrote: gg ! It's good Coast won (would have been pretty embarassing if they didn't) and now the fanboys will be like "NA has a chance at worlds" :D e: Zion pretty a beasty Nid, triforce proc and running through a brush gives hilarious movementspeed thats the spirit!!! will make it sweeter when koreans crush them. | ||
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Canada256 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Plz stop building RoA on her. | ||
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:07 Kontossis wrote: While I can see this team possibly making it to LCS, it won't be easy and as of now, I can't see them doing as well as C9 or Vulcun. This. Too many positioning errors and questionable engages by Quantic. Despite the widespread exaltation of the Korean scene, it would have been an upset for Quantic to have won this as a brand new team with level 20 accounts. However, the level 20 accounts do not excuse the errors Quantic made in team fights and objective control. Also: Zion's Trinity Force Nidalee was pretty beast. Woong seemed outmatched, but that was probably the rune advantage snowballing for Zion? | ||
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Valhalla18444 Posts
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
@Locodoco gg's to coast, they played a better mid and late game than us and that has nothing to do with runes or masteries Loco is a true example of an amazing player in both victory and defeat ~~ <3 | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Loco said Riot doesn't allow them to use smurf accounts that are already 30 for tournaments. He also said they won't give the team unlimited IP so they can get all the champs/runes until their accounts are lvl 30. Seems kinda dumb! Makes no sense to me not to allow lvl 30 smurf accounts for a tourney. The whole reasoning behind banning playing on other ppl's accounts was to protect the integrity of solo queue ranked. That doesn't apply here. | ||
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China26351 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
WonSeok plz. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Even the Pick/Ban phase which at first appeared terrible to me I (think) was mostly based around "survive to the point in the game where masteries matter the least then close" so I'm still not even sure on that. Only real take away here is EG AD or Feed is still terrible. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 14 2013 07:12 Fionn wrote: Well, they didn't bring Blitz's best player from Champions, and they put their decent top lane into mid. WonSeok plz. I actually think this team is worse than the MiG at OGN. Their upgrades were... downgrades for the initial part. Woong was a good top laner, yes, but how long has it been? Also, their jungler played god awful. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 14 2013 07:23 Itsmedudeman wrote: I actually think this team is worse than the MiG at OGN. Their upgrades were... downgrades for the initial part. Woong was a good top laner, yes, but how long has it been? Also, their jungler played god awful. again hard to be sure how much of this is runes/masteries Jungle J4 isn't exactly WW for health levels first clear. not to mention Nintendude knew this and abused it, contesting j4 at multiple camps because he knew Prime would know he can't duel a Nocturne ahead in levels. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
TWITCH.TV/GGLATV | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
The only questionmark in the team is their support, and his positioning early/late, both as Thresh and Fiddle. Wow, just wow! Quantic did not play bad, Coast played next to perfect. | ||
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
On September 14 2013 07:50 Yttrasil wrote: Well, this is a pleasant surprise. Who thought I'd spot THE BEST TEAM in NA watching the game of Coast vs Quantic, and the team not being Quantic! Runes aside, Coast's play, decisionmaking, mistake rate was THE BEST I've seen in ANY game for the whole of season 3 in both Europe and NA. I'd go as far as say, that their decisionmaking is on par with the best Korean teams. While they might be lacking mechanically early and the relative lack of high pressure from Quantic might have had them less pressured, their calm during the end (20 minutes) of game 1 was world class. Can't wait to see them battle it out with C9 and others the next season, because if they don't fluke during qualifiers due to pressure they are my top candidate for the next season. Even if C9 and Co. gets crushed at Worlds there is still hope for NA! The only questionmark in the team is their support, and his positioning early/late, both as Thresh and Fiddle. Wow, just wow! Quantic did not play bad, Coast played next to perfect. Pls. Loco played to perfection, he could have 1v5'd CST if he felt like it, but he obviously decided that he didn't want to shame NA too badly in their debut match so he let coast take this one. | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
 No itsmedudeman, that's where you and many other people are wrong. The thing is, IF you make no mistakes, the playstyle they choose is the optimal strategy for a certain win, any other strategy carries a certain degree of risk. Where probably any other team would make some mistake, or only partly follow through with the strategy and show signs of weakness, Coast didn't make a single mistake for 30 minutes that even remotely risked a comeback (Only small mistake was by Fiddle). I have not seen that in any EU nor NA match this season, otherwise please prove me wrong and point me to the game. Edit: While I might be wrong with my overall general picture of team Coast, and my opinion is ONLY based on these 2 games I might live to regret what I wrote later tonight. But as it looks now I predict 2-0 all the way and further on. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 14 2013 07:50 Yttrasil wrote: Well, this is a pleasant surprise. Who thought I'd spot THE BEST TEAM in NA watching the game of Coast vs Quantic, and the team not being Quantic! Runes aside, Coast's play, decisionmaking, mistake rate was THE BEST I've seen in ANY game for the whole of season 3 in both Europe and NA. I'd go as far as say, that their decisionmaking is on par with the best Korean teams. While they might be lacking mechanically early and the relative lack of high pressure from Quantic might have had them less pressured, their calm during the end (20 minutes) of game 1 was world class. Can't wait to see them battle it out with C9 and others the next season, because if they don't fluke during qualifiers due to pressure they are my top candidate for the next season. Even if C9 and Co. gets crushed at Worlds there is still hope for NA! The only questionmark in the team is their support, and his positioning early/late, both as Thresh and Fiddle. Wow, just wow! Quantic did not play bad, Coast played next to perfect. wat didn't know Quantic plays another set today. Quantic vs VES, the promotion match in 5 match :D | ||
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United States23745 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
casters stahp pls | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 14 2013 07:50 Yttrasil wrote: Well, this is a pleasant surprise. Who thought I'd spot THE BEST TEAM in NA watching the game of Coast vs Quantic, and the team not being Quantic! Runes aside, Coast's play, decisionmaking, mistake rate was THE BEST I've seen in ANY game for the whole of season 3 in both Europe and NA. I'd go as far as say, that their decisionmaking is on par with the best Korean teams. While they might be lacking mechanically early and the relative lack of high pressure from Quantic might have had them less pressured, their calm during the end (20 minutes) of game 1 was world class. Can't wait to see them battle it out with C9 and others the next season, because if they don't fluke during qualifiers due to pressure they are my top candidate for the next season. Even if C9 and Co. gets crushed at Worlds there is still hope for NA! The only questionmark in the team is their support, and his positioning early/late, both as Thresh and Fiddle. Wow, just wow! Quantic did not play bad, Coast played next to perfect. What did I just read. Some people'd think a Silver I team is godly IF they made "no mistakes" | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:47 Sufficiency wrote: VES is winning in teamfights lol There's a first time for everything :D | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:48 beefhamburger wrote: So I know I'm probably pretty late to this, but is this the new VES lineup? Maple moving to mid with slackoh as ADC? Permanent? Ecco left so I believe this is going to be the permanent set up until further notice. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Welp I spoke too soon | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:51 Itsmedudeman wrote: lol Quantic's team fight is pretty good when they're not getting caught and whiffing ults Quantic is in California, right? So their ping should be comparable to in Korea? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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heartlxp
United States1258 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
As for their jungler, in his defense, jungling without a full set of runes/masteries is more detrimental than in lanes (imo), hence why jungling is so difficult and/or non-existent in sub-level 20-30 games. It doesn't excuse a lot of their other misplays but it just makes it a bit hazier to him individually. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:58 nojitosunrise wrote: Quantic's jungler is quite lackluster. I think loco is really bad as well. Woong and Apple did fine. It's hard to tell for their support. (I didn't watch the first two games against Coast) On September 14 2013 09:05 beefhamburger wrote: I'm no too worried about how good Quantic are now, but rather after these games. I feel their current skill doesn't matter as much as their rate of improvement. If they hold true to the Korean training regimen, then they should improve fast enough to qualify for season 4. But if they start training like NA teams, they might fall into mediocrity. As for their jungler, in his defense, jungling without a full set of runes/masteries is more detrimental than in lanes (imo), hence why jungling is so difficult and/or non-existent in sub-level 20-30 games. It doesn't excuse a lot of their other misplays but it just makes it a bit hazier to him individually. Which they won't. That's the whole point of coming here... easy scene, easy money, free VISA. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:15 zulu_nation8 wrote: I thought Loco was Quantic's best player by far and was the only reason they kept up in team fights. Level 30 too op | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
That 3rd quint too stronk. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Not saying Quantic is actually that bad, but for all the hype about Korean overlords they're doing pretty bad, handicap or no. Still don't envy Prime at all though. That level 21. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:21 Seuss wrote: Right now Quantic is reminding me of a guild that transferred to my server in WoW because there was essentially no high-tier raiding competition, and then exploded because it turned out they were actually worse than the rest of us. Not saying Quantic is actually that bad, but for all the hype about Korean overlords they're doing pretty bad, handicap or no. Still don't envy Prime at all though. That level 21. How can they turn out to be worse than you guys if you guys couldn't even match them in progress before then? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
mana barrier bait too strong | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
Loco why...ugh | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:23 Itsmedudeman wrote: How can they turn out to be worse than you guys if you guys couldn't even match them in progress before then? Apparently all the good guild members stayed behind. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
How many hooks was that on Loco? 3 or 4? | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
If you wanted to build hype - advertise a showmatch when everyone is level 30 and find a team to play. Getting demolished (runes or no) damages their image, right off the bat. | ||
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Kitkatzy
United States213 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:34 Seuss wrote: Apparently all the good guild members stayed behind. Makes sense. The people that were actually good wouldn't want to run from competition. The goal of that guild was to remain mediocre, not improve their world ranking. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:47 Amethyst21 wrote: I really bet Quantic wish they didn't derail their hype in 6 hours. If you wanted to build hype - advertise a showmatch when everyone is level 30 and find a team to play. Getting demolished (runes or no) damages their image, right off the bat. Doesn't matter. Even if they were level 30s with runes I think they will still have trouble winning against Coast and Velocity at this point. Loco is just plain bad. + Show Spoiler + inb4 they intentionally threw it to throw the NA fanbase off guard. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Quite a sad mastery page tbh. Typically if you're level 21 it doesn't matter AS much but that's a lot of shit lost in the mastery tree. Don't think it excuses their play though against the bottom 2 of the LCS. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
I'm guess Gunza doesn't get Wealth Masteries and the game rounds up? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:54 onlywonderboy wrote: So much hype for these games and then...just lol to be fair the account level issue was not revealed until the final moments. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 07:08 SagaZ wrote: yeah, they won't get special treatement just because they're korean. As far as riot is concerned they are a random team so no free ip/rp and sharing account is against tos so yeah it has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that this is a fucking tournament, ergo should be ran in the tournament realm. LIKE IT SHOULD BE. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 11:37 Slusher wrote: I don't think small time online tournaments have ever been run on the tournament realm, even ESL which is arguably the biggest company(I'm guessing) still doing online doesn't get tournament realm access. Which is fucking silly as hell. As long as the organization is legit, I don't see why Riot doesn't just toss out tourney realm keys. | ||
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GTR
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On September 14 2013 11:32 wei2coolman wrote: it has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that this is a fucking tournament, ergo should be ran in the tournament realm. LIKE IT SHOULD BE. It is a third party tournament with US teams only, no chance they're bringing the tournament realm... do they even have that up still? with the no cross region tournaments age | ||
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CannonMinion
2 Posts
If anything, I think Apple and Loco will be the liabilities on this team. Apple in particular didn't do a whole lot on Blitz and well... we all know about Loco. | ||
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DuncanMonroe
United States6 Posts
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remedium
United States939 Posts
On September 14 2013 11:42 wei2coolman wrote: Which is fucking silly as hell. As long as the organization is legit, I don't see why Riot doesn't just toss out tourney realm keys. There is probably a policy to keep amateur players on the live server. Why would groups of amateur teams play live solo Q/ranked5s if they could just have tourney realm access (with its unlocked accounts) for "tournaments" every day? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 14 2013 23:27 DuncanMonroe wrote: People seriously underestimate the huge disadvantage playing on a LEVEL 20 ACCOUNT puts you at such a high level of play. You are so much weaker that your lanes "automatically" start to snowball against you, which meant they were going to kind of lose by default. They probably realized this, and played sloppy as a result or decided to take stupid risks because they knew they couldn't win by playing safe. You can't even cs properly under tower with level 20 runes and masteries, and you get absolutely smashed in standard trades. I think a big part of it is also, not being able to get away with things you used to be able to get away with. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:49 Sufficiency wrote: Doesn't matter. Even if they were level 30s with runes I think they will still have trouble winning against Coast and Velocity at this point. Loco is just plain bad. Is it... still Earth? 2013? Are we talking about League of Legends? What am I missing?! | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 15 2013 03:11 Volband wrote: Is it... still Earth? 2013? Are we talking about League of Legends? What am I missing?! At many points in Velocity vs Quantic, the two side were either even on gold or Quantic was only slightly behind... yet Quantic gets caught and lose teamfights anyway. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
if you watch nintendude in game 1 he makes a point of starving Prime because he knows prime cannot duel him and/or match his clear speed. There is actually so little information to be drawn from these games I think it's pretty disappointing the way things panned out. the people who think they are overrated because they are koreans are taking this to the bank and it's kinda silly. I actually think they are mostly right (I don't think this team can win the split) but they are delusional if they think they can't qualify, which yesterday would indicate. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
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