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On September 10 2013 21:41 Kennigit wrote:
Oh i made you guys mad about that comment? I was only half serious - i know its Chinese mythology. I will add disclosures of humor in future.
inb4 "i was only joking guys excuse"
Half serious is still half more than not serious. Glass half empty, glass half full. I guess since it's "only" half now, it can be considered a turning point. :p
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
don't know where this dade doubt comes from. he's only had one subpar performance against faker. he's at least ryu's level
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On September 10 2013 22:31 oneofthem wrote:
don't know where this dade doubt comes from. he's only had one subpar performance against faker. he's at least ryu's level
Playing against Faker has that effect on people.
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On September 10 2013 17:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:
My one anti-korean prediction will be that MVP Ozone will underperform. I cannot see them beating SKT T1 and at this point there's no doubt in my mind they are under the level of KT B. Not just because Homme can't always go to his tanky champions right now, but that Dade has had his champion pool neutered. TF, Ryze, and Ezreal are very subpar in this patch and you know Zed is going to be instaban. A big reason why MVP had the success they did was because Dade had stepped up his game immensely.
Ezreal subpar?
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On September 10 2013 22:43 miicah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 17:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:
My one anti-korean prediction will be that MVP Ozone will underperform. I cannot see them beating SKT T1 and at this point there's no doubt in my mind they are under the level of KT B. Not just because Homme can't always go to his tanky champions right now, but that Dade has had his champion pool neutered. TF, Ryze, and Ezreal are very subpar in this patch and you know Zed is going to be instaban. A big reason why MVP had the success they did was because Dade had stepped up his game immensely. Ezreal subpar?
Haven't been impressed with him the one time I saw him in LCS with mancloud and the 2 different times I've seen him being played by faker and dade recently. Seems like the early game - mid game is roughly the same, different playstyle, but with a weaker late game.
Also, I really wish all stars could happen right after worlds...
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Guys, I miss Toyz.
Totally relevant because Worlds.
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On September 10 2013 23:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
Guys, I miss Toyz.
Totally relevant because Worlds.
RIP TPA
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... and welcome HKA 2014!
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United States23745 Posts
EU Mids pretty godly compared to NA Mids hue. But yeah, it's gonna be hard to compete against Dade and Faker.
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People are also forgetting that the games in NA/EU are lower quality because the system from LCS is more about pumping out games instead of quality games. KR teams got more time to prepare for teams and can have real game plans vs specific teams instead of EU/NA that needs to play so many games vs several teams in 2 days and only a few days to practice and have specific game plans vs teams.
And also dont forget about the top 4 from last year that had 2 EU teams in it...
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"That being said, if this Soraka ever sees competitive play, because of the above issues, we'd likely make sure it stops."
What. ._. I'm really not a fan of their line of reasoning. Really.
(I am, however, definitely a masochist.)
On September 10 2013 15:23 TheYango wrote:
I honestly don't think the auto-attack scaling portion will really go anywhere tbh.
The big thing about the rework is the CD mechanic on his E which makes CDR/ASpd synergistic the same way they are for someone like Skarner, meaning you'll get efficient damage out of simply buying CDR defensive items and abusing the fact that his W AS steroid fuels his E CD reduction very comfortably.
Unless Triforce gets a nerf before this rework hits live, Triforce would honestly probably be the strongest single offensive item, paired with CDR-defensive items like the ubiquitous Spirit Visage.
Was thinking about it too, with the way Phage works now, and the increased importance of sticking to people, Triforce may be better for new Olaf, relying on his W and a 40% CDR build for his lifesteal (I used to buy wriggles because it was cheap, before they shafted him, says a bunch about the other sources of lifesteal before BotRK).
The changes that interest me more are on his ult—before it was a bit of "I'll burn this so you can't stop me from reaching you" whereas the loss of resistances (and shorter duration on every iteration Smash gave us before yesterday's PBE patch) pushed it more toward "I'll reach you first, then I'll burn this so you can't peel me"; the AD bonus weighs even more now.
Makes me curious about what to run on him. He if isn't as strong 1v1 as he used to be, maybe not Teleport, and Exhaust would prob beat Ignite for him. Other speed boosts include Triforce (even passively through Zeal), Ghostblade (but like the ult, you'd rather activate it once you reach your target), Shurelya's (shafted), Ghost...
Looks like it'll be even harder for Olaf to get to the backline without wasting his ult (mobility creep and counter-measure hitting hard on Udyr and him) and his reliance on AS to not have his E nerfed (less damage so he needs to use it more, but longer cd unless he really autos a bunch, even with max CDR, means it's a straight nerf in lane, and probably in most situations where is ult is down unless he's low HP/has W activated or built glass cannon with a bunch of AD) is going to make him harder to play because more reliant on stutter-stepping too, also minimal range on Q means unless they're really trying to run straight away from you it'll be harder to chain slow.
On the other hand if you do reach them this looks like more damage than currently.
I'll prob switch from HP/CDR builds to resistances/CDR builds (Randuin's/SV give a bunch of HP anyway; wondering about building golem spirit+swifties even in lane, too... and with the mana pool and Q damage nerfs he should have more trouble pushing over time, so sunfire still interesting I guess).
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Baa?21244 Posts
On September 10 2013 23:47 ExoFun wrote:
People are also forgetting that the games in NA/EU are lower quality because the system from LCS is more about pumping out games instead of quality games. KR teams got more time to prepare for teams and can have real game plans vs specific teams instead of EU/NA that needs to play so many games vs several teams in 2 days and only a few days to practice and have specific game plans vs teams.
And also dont forget about the top 4 from last year that had 2 EU teams in it...
One of them got in semis by a fluke, and both got pretty convincingly dismantled in the semifinals anyways so whatever.
This year they have to make it out of group stages first and it's very likely that only one can make it out, at which point they might draw a very strong opponent depending on who they get. The competition is overall more difficult this year than last year for sure.
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United States23745 Posts
On September 10 2013 23:47 ExoFun wrote:
People are also forgetting that the games in NA/EU are lower quality because the system from LCS is more about pumping out games instead of quality games. KR teams got more time to prepare for teams and can have real game plans vs specific teams instead of EU/NA that needs to play so many games vs several teams in 2 days and only a few days to practice and have specific game plans vs teams.
And also dont forget about the top 4 from last year that had 2 EU teams in it...
I have my doubts that NA/EU teams would use that time to actually prepare. It seems most of NA practice just comes down to scrimming (and not working out things like draft/level ones). I'm usually the NA apologist, but I can't see them putting up that much of a fight at Worlds. EU has a better chance.
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Soraka serves a pretty niche purpose, that being making sure the enemy Lulu has no fun in lane whatsoever
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United States23745 Posts
I've played that lane before, can confirm, totally miserable
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On September 11 2013 00:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've played that lane before, can confirm, totally miserable
That's when you build that kages into a Morellos. :^)
Speaking of kages, the active of twin shadows is so damn good but I only have enough money if my team is disgustingly far ahead. Rito pls remove some of its stats and make it cheaper
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 10 2013 22:31 oneofthem wrote:
don't know where this dade doubt comes from. he's only had one subpar performance against faker. he's at least ryu's level
Pretty much this. Dade's picked his game up so much since a few months ago. There's no shame losing to the best mid in the world.
I also don't understand where the Homme doubt comes from. To say someone like Soaz, who got absolutely rocked at Allstars, is going to "handily crush" Homme is ridiculous and has no weight to it. Let's be honest. Homme's clearly the weak point of MVP Ozone, but he fills his job well and he's able to hold his own against some of the best in the business (Shy, Flame, etc.).
I'm pretty sure Homme would rock Soaz if he had the chance to 1v1, and even if he were to have something happen to him, Dandy would come save the lane for him.
I'm thinking EU gets one team out of groups in Group B (probably Fnatic), but to say Fnatic has a good shot against any Korean team (even Najin) is highly questionable.
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Baa?21244 Posts
On September 11 2013 00:22 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 22:31 oneofthem wrote:
don't know where this dade doubt comes from. he's only had one subpar performance against faker. he's at least ryu's level Pretty much this. Dade's picked his game up so much since a few months ago. There's no shame losing to the best mid in the world. I also don't understand where the Homme doubt comes from. To say someone like Soaz, who got absolutely rocked at Allstars, is going to "handily crush" Homme is ridiculous and has no weight to it. Let's be honest. Homme's clearly the weak point of MVP Ozone, but he fills his job well and he's able to hold his own against some of the best in the business (Shy, Flame, etc.). I'm pretty sure Homme would rock Soaz if he had the chance to 1v1, and even if he were to have something happen to him, Dandy would come save the lane for him. I'm thinking EU gets one team out of groups in Group B (probably Fnatic), but to say Fnatic has a good shot against any Korean team (even Najin) is highly questionable.
pls i already said everything here can u keep up
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United States23745 Posts
I still find it amusing that Homme's play style is like a good version of HotshotGG.
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On September 11 2013 00:22 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 22:31 oneofthem wrote:
don't know where this dade doubt comes from. he's only had one subpar performance against faker. he's at least ryu's level Pretty much this. Dade's picked his game up so much since a few months ago. There's no shame losing to the best mid in the world. I also don't understand where the Homme doubt comes from. To say someone like Soaz, who got absolutely rocked at Allstars, is going to "handily crush" Homme is ridiculous and has no weight to it. Let's be honest. Homme's clearly the weak point of MVP Ozone, but he fills his job well and he's able to hold his own against some of the best in the business (Shy, Flame, etc.). I'm pretty sure Homme would rock Soaz if he had the chance to 1v1, and even if he were to have something happen to him, Dandy would come save the lane for him. I'm thinking EU gets one team out of groups in Group B (probably Fnatic), but to say Fnatic has a good shot against any Korean team (even Najin) is highly questionable.
You never know man. No one thought an EU team would get 2nd at Ipl 5. Though the Korean scene has come tremendously far since then, you can't count the season 1 champs out just yet
I dream of Fnatic becoming the Stephano of LoL but i'm a big Fnatic fanboy so take that with a grain of salt
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