• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:22
CEST 18:22
KST 01:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course10Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !9Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9> Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
ASL Tickets to Live Event Finals? [ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1513 users

[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 69

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 67 68 69 70 71 331 Next
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 09 2013 13:18 GMT
#1361
Morde is so fun, he just gets crushed by gap close meta, and then if you don't have Rylai's he gets crushed by jump away meta.

Luckily the latter is not much of a problem since Morde farms like a 10 foot tall monster.
Carrilord has arrived.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
September 09 2013 13:23 GMT
#1362
Who does he get crushed by? Dunno what gapclosers would be picked in a 1v1 tourney. :-/
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
Lunek
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland164 Posts
September 09 2013 13:25 GMT
#1363
guess one of the most common counter picks to morde is riven.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
September 09 2013 13:27 GMT
#1364
Ye, but its 1v1 blind pick. Dunno if anyone would pick Riven in this situation.
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 13:44:45
September 09 2013 13:36 GMT
#1365
he's countered by having no wraiths/wolves to farm huehue

it's not so much gapclosers on to him as much as if your opponent has good spacing it's easy to skirt Morde's movements.

to be specific to howling abyss, you can open Revolver on that map and just shove all day slowly chipping away at their tower and perhaps win, but if they pick somebody who can break your shield from outside of E range like Cait, who is super popular on that map for 1v1s, you would lose to a bronze 5 player.

honestly if it's blind pick, anything you choose should not auto lose to Cait. I'm also skeptical of 30/0/0 Fizz for this reason I don't think that match up is auto lose, but with the win conditions you've given you will only ever have starting items reguardless of farm, so she has no incentive to get into Q range and for you to shove back the wave you'll get chipped. Although in early rounds a bad Cait might let you walk up to her and kill her at which point it's lulz.
Carrilord has arrived.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 09 2013 13:55 GMT
#1366
Vlad or Cho could be solid too, would much rather take either than Morde. Cho would scale really well post 6 since you cannot shop so his ultimate's health boost will be massive.

Aatrox could be interesting too since it's impossible to tower dive but very very easy for him to do it.

@Slusher: Don't underestimate Fizz's lvl 3 all-in when you can start with both buff potions, it's rediculously strong. It is a coinflip based entirely on their champion pick, if they are squishy enough it is a free win flash->trickster closes any gap unless they are willing to miss out on exp.

In 1v1 on HA, you want a champion with either great shoving and sustain or an assassin with a very strong lvl 3 all-in. Anything in-between loses to the other two if played competently.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
FrostRyan
Profile Joined September 2013
Brazil78 Posts
September 09 2013 13:57 GMT
#1367
Riven? Wtf, orianna can fuck morde all day.
Don't mind grammar, not native english-speaker.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 14:05:38
September 09 2013 14:04 GMT
#1368
I've played Fizz more than a couple times, I'm not saying he does not win the trade (I would hope you didn't think I imply that) I'm saying anything you choose should be even to good vs. Cait in blind pick howling abyss and I don't think Fizz is even given these win conditions, she has 0 incentive to ever get into combo range, a good cait should beat a good Fizz but the opportunity for out play is there yes.

if you blow E and/or Q to get into rage for the other she will be able to get you off of her.
Carrilord has arrived.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14119 Posts
September 09 2013 14:20 GMT
#1369
last year I correctly picked the winner of the whole thing. I must consult the oracle for more guidance this year.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 09 2013 14:25 GMT
#1370
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 09 2013 14:31 GMT
#1371
Ah. Sorry, I think I misunderstood you - my bad.

Personally, from my experience - pretty much every week some of my friends and I hold mini-tournaments in 1v1 HA, I've never seen ADCs do too well, they simply rely too much on items and get crushed by any champion that scales well off levels and assassins can be horrible match ups too depending on the champion picks.
- another reason I think the lack of ADC results I've seen is we nearly always go for the defensive tree (simply to have a sliver of chance to survive early all-in champions) which together with a DShield can really put a hamper on their damage.

Annie could be an interesting choice too, all DRing start and wave clear until level 6 and then combo for the kill.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
September 09 2013 14:34 GMT
#1372
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

Hmm not much of Asian vs West though :/
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
September 09 2013 14:36 GMT
#1373
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

I hope they re-think inviting NA teams, they'll cancel at the last minute again anyway.

Good to have some "international scene" back, but with those minuscule amounts of participants, it'll barely be representative. Oh well, we can only hope Riot steps up.. (and Riot Please, don't screw over Europe again)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 09 2013 14:40 GMT
#1374
On September 09 2013 23:36 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

I hope they re-think inviting NA teams, they'll cancel at the last minute again anyway.

Good to have some "international scene" back, but with those minuscule amounts of participants, it'll barely be representative. Oh well, we can only hope Riot steps up.. (and Riot Please, don't screw over Europe again)

I believe, after all stars, they said they wanted to do more international events.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 14:51:31
September 09 2013 14:47 GMT
#1375
I mean there is potential for me to be wrong, if you play weekly 1v1s you obviously do it more than me, but I just feel like in blind pick you have to pick stuff that won't be an uphill battle vs. common picks, and Cait is super common for 1v1.

my analysis of the match up is this, Cait can shove forcing you to blow E to midigate tower damage, at which point she can pot shot either you or your tower.

your only opportunity for attack is if she casts Q from a poor location. If that does not happen the best way to get to a good positional Cait player will be to stand next to her caster minions, Q through from melee range and E on to her, if she saves net I'll probly lose the trade if she gets nervous and throws it out early (especially if I E it on reaction) she is dead. if she hits me with E she can auto me for free for ~10 seconds before she has to regain positioning.

again I assume she will save flash for my flash. so my best bet is to open something where I can absorb some shots from her in order to keep her from autoing my tower (I need to be able to posture if her + minions are hitting my tower I might not get the levels I need) and try to all in her at 6, but I'd much rather just have a different champion.

also if she keeps the healths trapped she auto wins all health pickup exchanges.
Carrilord has arrived.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
September 09 2013 14:47 GMT
#1376
On September 09 2013 23:36 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

I hope they re-think inviting NA teams, they'll cancel at the last minute again anyway.

Good to have some "international scene" back, but with those minuscule amounts of participants, it'll barely be representative. Oh well, we can only hope Riot steps up.. (and Riot Please, don't screw over Europe again)


is there any indication of Riot having an interest in running an international scene? it seems that the siloed regional leagues are here to stay, and bringing top teams to an international circuit would be difficult due to regular seasons. it's also not feasible for teams outside the top tier to afford traveling worldwide, so i'm not sure what the future holds for the international scene
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 09 2013 15:06 GMT
#1377
The thing is, you don't really care one bit about CS with Fizz in HA 1v1, you just camp in bushes and the lane will freeze in mid since if she tries to push it she will be in range for your combo once you claim her bush (no pun intended).

Unless you play with a 100 CS = win (which we stopped with because Yorick is retarded in that case) I don't think Cait or any ADC can handle a Fizz in HA maybe Ezreal with his high(er) mobility starting with Sheen Ezreal is a scary scary poke machine.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 15:10:55
September 09 2013 15:09 GMT
#1378
On September 10 2013 00:06 Jek wrote:
The thing is, you don't really care one bit about CS with Fizz in HA 1v1, you just camp in bushes and the lane will freeze in mid since if she tries to push it she will be in range for your combo once you claim her bush (no pun intended).

Unless you play with a 100 CS = win (which we stopped with because Yorick is retarded in that case) I don't think Cait or any ADC can handle a Fizz in HA maybe Ezreal with his high(er) mobility starting with Sheen Ezreal is a scary scary poke machine.


She can still Peacemaker the wave from a safe distance. unless you mean you would literally wait for your tower to push back the wave, I mean if she can stomach laming it out she can still win but my god, you'd beat me in that mental battle if there wasn't money on the line.
Carrilord has arrived.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 15:14:51
September 09 2013 15:10 GMT
#1379
On September 09 2013 23:40 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 23:36 DragoonTT wrote:
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

I hope they re-think inviting NA teams, they'll cancel at the last minute again anyway.

Good to have some "international scene" back, but with those minuscule amounts of participants, it'll barely be representative. Oh well, we can only hope Riot steps up.. (and Riot Please, don't screw over Europe again)

I believe, after all stars, they said they wanted to do more international events.

That would be nice. It would make judging a regions overall skill a little easier. In the Spring Split they had the show matches with Gambit, KT B, dig and Curse. Would have been cool to see something similar in the Summer Split to at least get a hint of where C9 stacks up.

Edit: Also, I've mentioned it a fair amount, but if you haven't watched the Gambit vs KT B games, go watch the VODs, that was a great series.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
September 09 2013 15:14 GMT
#1380
How do you improve at this game? I'm approaching 2k games played since beta and I'm still stuck in Silver, and I feel like I'm just not improving at all.

In sc2 I felt that although the game was harder mechanically, it was easier to have a plan, identify my mistakes in different areas and improve upon them, and even if I was still quite bad at it (diamond terran) I was learning from my losses and improving. Slowly, but still improving.

In LoL I'm having a really hard time identifying my mistakes, and the few obvious one that I do I find myself repeating them over and over again anyways.

I especially suck at laning. Haven't won a lane top or mid by myself against a competent opponent in a looong time. I guess the fact that I never stick to a champion for more than a few games doesn't help. If I were to pick one champion and grind 100+ games on it to learn how to lane correctly, what would be a good choice?
Romanes eunt domus
Prev 1 67 68 69 70 71 331 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#51
RotterdaM209
SteadfastSC14
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 187
ProTech141
TKL 85
IndyStarCraft 7
SteadfastSC 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4707
Bisu 3039
Jaedong 1097
EffOrt 930
Mini 522
Larva 304
ggaemo 295
ZerO 292
actioN 279
Hyuk 247
[ Show more ]
Snow 226
Soulkey 185
firebathero 153
Rush 150
Mind 133
Mong 87
Sharp 70
Hyun 46
Barracks 39
Aegong 37
soO 36
HiyA 33
sorry 21
Movie 18
Rock 13
IntoTheRainbow 13
Hm[arnc] 12
SilentControl 8
Terrorterran 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5579
monkeys_forever247
NeuroSwarm93
Counter-Strike
fl0m4320
olofmeister2014
byalli391
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK19
Other Games
Grubby2604
FrodaN1394
Liquid`RaSZi1155
B2W.Neo974
hiko849
Hui .357
Lowko353
KnowMe186
ArmadaUGS135
crisheroes123
Livibee62
Trikslyr41
ZerO(Twitch)18
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL45455
Other Games
WardiTV331
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 70
• LUISG 34
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 44
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis6400
• TFBlade1307
Other Games
• WagamamaTV439
• Shiphtur205
Upcoming Events
OSC
7h 38m
CranKy Ducklings
17h 38m
Afreeca Starleague
17h 38m
Light vs Flash
INu's Battles
18h 38m
ByuN vs herO
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
OSC
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL
5 days
GSL
5 days
Cure vs TBD
TBD vs Maru
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W7
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.