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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 09 2013 13:18 GMT
#1361
Morde is so fun, he just gets crushed by gap close meta, and then if you don't have Rylai's he gets crushed by jump away meta.

Luckily the latter is not much of a problem since Morde farms like a 10 foot tall monster.
Carrilord has arrived.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
September 09 2013 13:23 GMT
#1362
Who does he get crushed by? Dunno what gapclosers would be picked in a 1v1 tourney. :-/
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
Lunek
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland164 Posts
September 09 2013 13:25 GMT
#1363
guess one of the most common counter picks to morde is riven.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
September 09 2013 13:27 GMT
#1364
Ye, but its 1v1 blind pick. Dunno if anyone would pick Riven in this situation.
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 13:44:45
September 09 2013 13:36 GMT
#1365
he's countered by having no wraiths/wolves to farm huehue

it's not so much gapclosers on to him as much as if your opponent has good spacing it's easy to skirt Morde's movements.

to be specific to howling abyss, you can open Revolver on that map and just shove all day slowly chipping away at their tower and perhaps win, but if they pick somebody who can break your shield from outside of E range like Cait, who is super popular on that map for 1v1s, you would lose to a bronze 5 player.

honestly if it's blind pick, anything you choose should not auto lose to Cait. I'm also skeptical of 30/0/0 Fizz for this reason I don't think that match up is auto lose, but with the win conditions you've given you will only ever have starting items reguardless of farm, so she has no incentive to get into Q range and for you to shove back the wave you'll get chipped. Although in early rounds a bad Cait might let you walk up to her and kill her at which point it's lulz.
Carrilord has arrived.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 09 2013 13:55 GMT
#1366
Vlad or Cho could be solid too, would much rather take either than Morde. Cho would scale really well post 6 since you cannot shop so his ultimate's health boost will be massive.

Aatrox could be interesting too since it's impossible to tower dive but very very easy for him to do it.

@Slusher: Don't underestimate Fizz's lvl 3 all-in when you can start with both buff potions, it's rediculously strong. It is a coinflip based entirely on their champion pick, if they are squishy enough it is a free win flash->trickster closes any gap unless they are willing to miss out on exp.

In 1v1 on HA, you want a champion with either great shoving and sustain or an assassin with a very strong lvl 3 all-in. Anything in-between loses to the other two if played competently.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
FrostRyan
Profile Joined September 2013
Brazil78 Posts
September 09 2013 13:57 GMT
#1367
Riven? Wtf, orianna can fuck morde all day.
Don't mind grammar, not native english-speaker.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 14:05:38
September 09 2013 14:04 GMT
#1368
I've played Fizz more than a couple times, I'm not saying he does not win the trade (I would hope you didn't think I imply that) I'm saying anything you choose should be even to good vs. Cait in blind pick howling abyss and I don't think Fizz is even given these win conditions, she has 0 incentive to ever get into combo range, a good cait should beat a good Fizz but the opportunity for out play is there yes.

if you blow E and/or Q to get into rage for the other she will be able to get you off of her.
Carrilord has arrived.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13960 Posts
September 09 2013 14:20 GMT
#1369
last year I correctly picked the winner of the whole thing. I must consult the oracle for more guidance this year.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 09 2013 14:25 GMT
#1370
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 09 2013 14:31 GMT
#1371
Ah. Sorry, I think I misunderstood you - my bad.

Personally, from my experience - pretty much every week some of my friends and I hold mini-tournaments in 1v1 HA, I've never seen ADCs do too well, they simply rely too much on items and get crushed by any champion that scales well off levels and assassins can be horrible match ups too depending on the champion picks.
- another reason I think the lack of ADC results I've seen is we nearly always go for the defensive tree (simply to have a sliver of chance to survive early all-in champions) which together with a DShield can really put a hamper on their damage.

Annie could be an interesting choice too, all DRing start and wave clear until level 6 and then combo for the kill.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
September 09 2013 14:34 GMT
#1372
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

Hmm not much of Asian vs West though :/
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
September 09 2013 14:36 GMT
#1373
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

I hope they re-think inviting NA teams, they'll cancel at the last minute again anyway.

Good to have some "international scene" back, but with those minuscule amounts of participants, it'll barely be representative. Oh well, we can only hope Riot steps up.. (and Riot Please, don't screw over Europe again)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
September 09 2013 14:40 GMT
#1374
On September 09 2013 23:36 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

I hope they re-think inviting NA teams, they'll cancel at the last minute again anyway.

Good to have some "international scene" back, but with those minuscule amounts of participants, it'll barely be representative. Oh well, we can only hope Riot steps up.. (and Riot Please, don't screw over Europe again)

I believe, after all stars, they said they wanted to do more international events.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 14:51:31
September 09 2013 14:47 GMT
#1375
I mean there is potential for me to be wrong, if you play weekly 1v1s you obviously do it more than me, but I just feel like in blind pick you have to pick stuff that won't be an uphill battle vs. common picks, and Cait is super common for 1v1.

my analysis of the match up is this, Cait can shove forcing you to blow E to midigate tower damage, at which point she can pot shot either you or your tower.

your only opportunity for attack is if she casts Q from a poor location. If that does not happen the best way to get to a good positional Cait player will be to stand next to her caster minions, Q through from melee range and E on to her, if she saves net I'll probly lose the trade if she gets nervous and throws it out early (especially if I E it on reaction) she is dead. if she hits me with E she can auto me for free for ~10 seconds before she has to regain positioning.

again I assume she will save flash for my flash. so my best bet is to open something where I can absorb some shots from her in order to keep her from autoing my tower (I need to be able to posture if her + minions are hitting my tower I might not get the levels I need) and try to all in her at 6, but I'd much rather just have a different champion.

also if she keeps the healths trapped she auto wins all health pickup exchanges.
Carrilord has arrived.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
September 09 2013 14:47 GMT
#1376
On September 09 2013 23:36 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

I hope they re-think inviting NA teams, they'll cancel at the last minute again anyway.

Good to have some "international scene" back, but with those minuscule amounts of participants, it'll barely be representative. Oh well, we can only hope Riot steps up.. (and Riot Please, don't screw over Europe again)


is there any indication of Riot having an interest in running an international scene? it seems that the siloed regional leagues are here to stay, and bringing top teams to an international circuit would be difficult due to regular seasons. it's also not feasible for teams outside the top tier to afford traveling worldwide, so i'm not sure what the future holds for the international scene
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 09 2013 15:06 GMT
#1377
The thing is, you don't really care one bit about CS with Fizz in HA 1v1, you just camp in bushes and the lane will freeze in mid since if she tries to push it she will be in range for your combo once you claim her bush (no pun intended).

Unless you play with a 100 CS = win (which we stopped with because Yorick is retarded in that case) I don't think Cait or any ADC can handle a Fizz in HA maybe Ezreal with his high(er) mobility starting with Sheen Ezreal is a scary scary poke machine.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 15:10:55
September 09 2013 15:09 GMT
#1378
On September 10 2013 00:06 Jek wrote:
The thing is, you don't really care one bit about CS with Fizz in HA 1v1, you just camp in bushes and the lane will freeze in mid since if she tries to push it she will be in range for your combo once you claim her bush (no pun intended).

Unless you play with a 100 CS = win (which we stopped with because Yorick is retarded in that case) I don't think Cait or any ADC can handle a Fizz in HA maybe Ezreal with his high(er) mobility starting with Sheen Ezreal is a scary scary poke machine.


She can still Peacemaker the wave from a safe distance. unless you mean you would literally wait for your tower to push back the wave, I mean if she can stomach laming it out she can still win but my god, you'd beat me in that mental battle if there wasn't money on the line.
Carrilord has arrived.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 15:14:51
September 09 2013 15:10 GMT
#1379
On September 09 2013 23:40 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 23:36 DragoonTT wrote:
On September 09 2013 23:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/league-of-legends-in-season-8/

Compared to S3, pre-S4 and S4 might have an international scene again. Not quite the caliber of IPL5 but it's a start.

I hope they re-think inviting NA teams, they'll cancel at the last minute again anyway.

Good to have some "international scene" back, but with those minuscule amounts of participants, it'll barely be representative. Oh well, we can only hope Riot steps up.. (and Riot Please, don't screw over Europe again)

I believe, after all stars, they said they wanted to do more international events.

That would be nice. It would make judging a regions overall skill a little easier. In the Spring Split they had the show matches with Gambit, KT B, dig and Curse. Would have been cool to see something similar in the Summer Split to at least get a hint of where C9 stacks up.

Edit: Also, I've mentioned it a fair amount, but if you haven't watched the Gambit vs KT B games, go watch the VODs, that was a great series.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
September 09 2013 15:14 GMT
#1380
How do you improve at this game? I'm approaching 2k games played since beta and I'm still stuck in Silver, and I feel like I'm just not improving at all.

In sc2 I felt that although the game was harder mechanically, it was easier to have a plan, identify my mistakes in different areas and improve upon them, and even if I was still quite bad at it (diamond terran) I was learning from my losses and improving. Slowly, but still improving.

In LoL I'm having a really hard time identifying my mistakes, and the few obvious one that I do I find myself repeating them over and over again anyways.

I especially suck at laning. Haven't won a lane top or mid by myself against a competent opponent in a looong time. I guess the fact that I never stick to a champion for more than a few games doesn't help. If I were to pick one champion and grind 100+ games on it to learn how to lane correctly, what would be a good choice?
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