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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 05 2013 20:59 GMT
#601
apparently trinity first ezreal is still bad
1600 gold so much to save for for bt though
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 05 2013 21:03 GMT
#602
Trinity Force is making a lot of games pretty lulzy right now. Have they fixed the thing where phage would sometimes proc both its old passive and its new one?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 05 2013 21:04 GMT
#603
On September 06 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 03:47 red_ wrote:
On September 06 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 06 2013 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On September 06 2013 02:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 06 2013 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Cheep, plz play Ziggs in the next IH you play.
Edit: and make your team comp around Ziggs. I want to see dis in action.


i played ziggs in the first liquidpractice in house we ever played months ago

also my league is broken right now i have the launcher/patcher won't launch bug where the game is stuck on the pvp.net logo when trying to run the rads kernel

gonna wait and see if riot resolves it cause i dont really want to reinstall my game zz

Sounds like a doj to me. I'll ask yanger for a ruling.

And that was months ago, plz play him in something recent and hopefully Monty can record. I'm unsold on Ziggs but you say otherwise.

I'm almost certain I have proof on my twitch channel.
There should be a clip of Cheep failing a W and blowing himself backwards and dying from last year in the highlights.

I could be lying but ill check later tonight when I get the chance lolololololol

Also I'm real sad I missed the caster discussion. A few things to say I guess:
Sonivs comment about trying casting yourself....I'm not really sure how it applies. I know for certain that not everyone can cast well, either analysis or PBP, but I've never considered it something hard to do either.
I don't think that's a testament to my personal skill (mostly because I know I'm shit---TL gives me too much credit. <3 you guys but its true. ), I've just never found what I do for fun particularly taxing or difficult. I'm sure the amount of work it takes to actually be really good I would need much more practice and work put in...but on my level what I do I certainly wouldn't consider hard.

Caster hate- honestly I find I don't listen to them much or find I care a great deal for most of the analysis one way or the other
The massive caster skype group I am a part of though puts things into an interesting perspective---they know there are a lot of people like TL on the whole who hate their style or how they do things, but they carry on because they do receieve enough appreciation for doing so.

As far as restreaming LCS---Yanger has offered to have me restream a lot of Chinese LoL but I've heard horror stories about restreamers having their channels shut down. Not really worth it for me to risk it on LCS either. IHs are another story of course and I do enjoy doing them from time to time---Neo still waiting for your availability so we can do one and you can show me ur skillz!


I'll cast with you if Neo dodges more. I think I prefer it to actually playing in the IH's right now(just kinda meh on playing, almost time for my yearly year long break).

Ok. You around tonight?
Played a bunch of duo q last night so I don't feel guilty if I don't play tonight.
All that caster talk makes me want to tryhard cast it though,instead of halfassing it. You up for that?


Sorry it took me a bit to respond, but ya I'll be on tonight, and ya I'm up for some tryhard casting if you'll have me(I'm def new at casting this genre, which is far removed from my only experience which is casting FPS games, so I'll probably let you carry and interject when I can actually add something, but we can take about all that).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 05 2013 21:11 GMT
#604
On September 06 2013 05:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 05:18 UniversalSnip wrote:
On September 06 2013 03:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:i've made the point before but it bears repeating, just cause something works or doesn't work in bronze/silver/gold/plat/diamond/cardboard doesn't mean it's actually viable or unviable in top competitive play,which is the only standard that should matter

anything below that everything is good and it just comes down to individual skill.


dis bullshit. of course everything 'comes down to skill', we define how good something is in solo queue by how disparate the skill levels have to be to make it work reliably. it's a perfectly legit discussion and honestly nobody even cares about the workings of competitive play for it's own sake. well there are like three people but everyone else pays attention to it for some other reason, like application to yolo queue, interest in the personalities, lack of social life, etc.


ok

Ban plz, you're supposed to argue with me
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 05 2013 21:16 GMT
#605
On September 06 2013 05:58 FinestHour wrote:
um his passive

I'm still salty from Riot making Corki's passive not scale off of Sheen procs and crit.

Buffed Triforce and mana cost buffs definitely helped Corki out a lot. Don't know if he's a top AD carry contender though. Q mana cost is still pretty prohibitive. I played him a few times this patch rushing Triforce every time with reasonable success though. I think Triforce->LW tank buster build probably best build. Maybe a vamp scepter in there somewhere, but I run vamp quints so I don't really feel the need for vamp scepter. With E+LW you're basically doing true damage Triforce procs for good deeps.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 05 2013 21:20 GMT
#606
Isn't Black Cleaver better than LW on Corki?

Corki's Q, W and R all do magic damage, so the better armor pen for LW doesn't apply to them. BC's 10% CDR and higher AD does help them.

Corki's E applies BC stacks very quickly.

The extra AD on BC helps with his passive.

If Trinity>LW is good, wouldn't Trinity>BC be better?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 21:23:02
September 05 2013 21:21 GMT
#607
On September 06 2013 05:56 Cloud9157 wrote:
Corki still feels bleh for an adc. He has 2 scalings for ad, one being his machine gun, and the other being on his ult. His q mana cost is a bit higher than other carry's still (Graves q at max rank 100, Varus q is 90 at max rank) and both scale off of ad.



Well he does have some of the highest midgame burst out of any ADC once he finishes triforce. Also Corki Leona is still one of the scariest bottom lanes to ever go against because you can die so incredibly fast. I think he'll have a spot for the forseeable future once people pick him up again assuming triforce doesn't get nerfed(if nerfed, only minorly).

On September 06 2013 06:20 Ketara wrote:
Isn't Black Cleaver better than LW on Corki?

Corki's Q, W and R all do magic damage, so the better armor pen for LW doesn't apply to them. BC's 10% CDR and higher AD does help them.

Corki's E applies BC stacks very quickly.

The extra AD on BC helps with his passive.

If Trinity>LW is good, wouldn't Trinity>BC be better?


Possibly, but a lot of corki's damage is front loaded, and the E shred is rather unreliable for getting large numbers of people.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
September 05 2013 21:21 GMT
#608
How about the old phage into bt into completing triforce build? With the new phage I wonder how good it can be on corki or ezreal now.
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 05 2013 21:21 GMT
#609
On September 06 2013 06:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 05:58 FinestHour wrote:
um his passive

I'm still salty from Riot making Corki's passive not scale off of Sheen procs and crit.

Buffed Triforce and mana cost buffs definitely helped Corki out a lot. Don't know if he's a top AD carry contender though. Q mana cost is still pretty prohibitive. I played him a few times this patch rushing Triforce every time with reasonable success though. I think Triforce->LW tank buster build probably best build. Maybe a vamp scepter in there somewhere, but I run vamp quints so I don't really feel the need for vamp scepter. With E+LW you're basically doing true damage Triforce procs for good deeps.


Maybe Genja will go back to this (TF>LW>GA) instead of his idiotic DBladex3>BT>LW.
Freeeeeeedom
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 05 2013 21:24 GMT
#610
On September 06 2013 06:21 Anakko wrote:
How about the old phage into bt into completing triforce build? With the new phage I wonder how good it can be on corki or ezreal now.


It's the triforce proc that gives corki a strong midgame, not the BT.

I don't recall people really going phage BT triforce anyways, it was generally phage vamp triforce BT if they really had to.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
September 05 2013 21:26 GMT
#611
Well apparently people used to like the sticking power they got from old phage to get in more autos, or something similar. And if you were cop with 100% phage procs it was pretty op.
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 22:24:13
September 05 2013 22:23 GMT
#612
Before Corki lost popularity, you went Phage first since a Phage proc meant your target ate an entire E, which basically robs them of all their armor. Phage was also just ridiculously cost-effective and a great laning item. People followed up with BT because it gave sustain, pumped his R a bit, and was also good for his passive. After people realized that Corki passive was increased by crit, people started to deviate towards IE builds instead of BT builds. Then he got nerfed.

BC is nice on Corki, but only your auto and E actually procs it. While it has nice synergy with E, you don't really have any way to keep them inside your E now that Phage no longer slows. TF into LW also hits a pretty neat timing where you can do near-true damage with your autos due to how armor shred/reduction interacts. BC is quite a bit more expensive than LW.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
September 05 2013 22:25 GMT
#613
On September 06 2013 05:59 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
apparently trinity first ezreal is still bad
1600 gold so much to save for for bt though

I guess nobody told Score this morning...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 05 2013 22:29 GMT
#614
On September 06 2013 07:23 Ryuu314 wrote:
Before Corki lost popularity, you went Phage first since a Phage proc meant your target ate an entire E, which basically robs them of all their armor. Phage was also just ridiculously cost-effective and a great laning item. People followed up with BT because it gave sustain, pumped his R a bit, and was also good for his passive. After people realized that Corki passive was increased by crit, people started to deviate towards IE builds instead of BT builds. Then he got nerfed.

BC is nice on Corki, but only your auto and E actually procs it. While it has nice synergy with E, you don't really have any way to keep them inside your E now that Phage no longer slows. TF into LW also hits a pretty neat timing where you can do near-true damage with your autos due to how armor shred/reduction interacts. BC is quite a bit more expensive than LW.

Didn't change in s2, first gatling reduces a flat amount of armour, then you take away 35% of what's left with LW. I could see the interaction with flat pen like brutaliser, but since LW "only" takes away a third of their armour, it takes away less the less they have post-gatling anyway, so does it get that close to true damage if you're not running flat ArPen runes/items?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 22:46:11
September 05 2013 22:42 GMT
#615
Well I don't know how most people play him, but I run hybrid pen runes on Corki mostly cause he has so much mixed damage. I don't really get AD runes on him, maybe one quint? On top of that, level 5 E shreds 40 armor so you'll hit very close to true damage on most targets.

I'll probably have to try Bruta->BC on Corki a bit more, but I personally like the LW build-up better than BC. Bruta has a nice buildup, but going from Bruta to BC is 1.6k gold of no damage that you have to spend/save up, which just feels kinda awkward on an AD carry for me. I'm no AD carry main though so I could be way off base. I might try an early Bruta and not upgrade it 'til much later; that actually sounds pretty good.

I know Genja was building Triforce->LW back in S2 as a tank-killer build, which worked really well since M5 liked to play "let Genja handle his own shit" and TF+LW did that very well. I can only imagine it'd work better now post-armor change.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 22:51:35
September 05 2013 22:47 GMT
#616
Oh yeah I was not trying to say that bruta was good on Corki, simply mentioning that because LW is a penetration and gatling a reduction, I was surprised if it would let you reduce people's armour so much, even in the midgame, esp. since you need to keep them inside the gatling's AoE to get a significant shred.

As you said I'd understand it better as a tank killer build, although the %pen mastery and item were nerfed (goes from 46% reduction to a bit above 40%, so you reduce 13% less armour unless you have additional sources, generally flat ArPen, to make up for it post-change).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
September 05 2013 22:55 GMT
#617
On September 06 2013 07:25 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 05:59 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
apparently trinity first ezreal is still bad
1600 gold so much to save for for bt though

I guess nobody told Score this morning...

Looked like it was doing him a lot of good
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 22:57:16
September 05 2013 22:56 GMT
#618
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O-OVJn8ngJU/UikKeWiNRnI/AAAAAAAAGto/8GpOfde7YQE/s640/Viktor_Splash_3.jpg

Good time for Soniv to get back into LoL xD

EDIT: Would also like to note Battlecast Skarner and KogMaw back there ^_^
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 05 2013 22:59 GMT
#619
Soniv logs on to LoL for the first time in months, new Viktor skin added to PTR a day later...

Coincidence? I think not.
Carrilord has arrived.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
September 05 2013 23:00 GMT
#620
On September 06 2013 07:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O-OVJn8ngJU/UikKeWiNRnI/AAAAAAAAGto/8GpOfde7YQE/s640/Viktor_Splash_3.jpg

Good time for Soniv to get back into LoL xD

EDIT: Would also like to note Battlecast Skarner and KogMaw back there ^_^


My money,,, D:
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