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On September 06 2013 03:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:52 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 03:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 03:48 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 03:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 03:37 sylverfyre wrote:
Theorycraft blows but dodging the call to bring it to an inhouse. What now? in houses are a piss poor proof of anything when you have disparate skill levels involved i've made the point before but it bears repeating, just cause something works or doesn't work in bronze/silver/gold/plat/diamond/cardboard doesn't mean it's actually viable or unviable in top competitive play,which is the only standard that should matter anything below that everything is good and it just comes down to individual skill. if you get a match with 10 people of somewhat similar skill level, it becomes a better approximation, though still nowhere near rigorous as the variables are too wild also i really dislike in houses where you match something like 2 diamonds/3 golds vs 2 diamonds/3 golds or anything like that, because it just comes down to a 2v2 between the diamonds on who can stomp harder. Jokes aside, it does have to be so black and white? As long as we put someone at your level in mid lane (e.g. not Atrioc on Fizz), it should be an interesting and somewhat product trial run. I mean you like Ziggs, I assume you play him the most, so what's the problem? Even in team fights, if you lose a team fight that entirely not your fault, any unbiased observer should be able to see that. If you can carry in team fights, then more power to you. In the end, playing Ziggs in an IH is far superior than talking about it here. Considering your metric of pro level having a forecast with Ziggs is utterly nil. i mean whats the difference there between an in house performance with someone close to my level and just looking at solo q stats? i think ziggs is one of my most played champs :| Personally, it's more interesting to me to see you play Ziggs because you're such an advocate of the champion. idgaf about random Ziggs players in yolo q. That's all. If this isn't something you want to do, npnp. i cant launch league thats not my fault also im on terror net ill update it when i supposedly get better net on friday (inb4 worse net) Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:52 TheYango wrote:
So if by your own admission your personal experience is not translatable into high level play, how is what you're doing any differerent from theorycrafting?
Because that's what theorycrafitng is--players using their understanding of the game to extrapolate scenarios they experience into scenarios they haven't yet. nah theorycraft is when people look purely at the stats and numbers on a skill and use that to distill "how" a champ/matchup should be played it's great in broodwar cause in a 1v1 build orders can be compared pretty directly, but in league any small thing can completely upset it so it's much harder to do such simplistic comparisons
The first thing you listed is more mathcrafting...
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On September 06 2013 03:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
nah theorycraft is when people look purely at the stats and numbers on a skill and use that to distill "how" a champ/matchup should be played
No, that's bad theorycraft from people whose understanding of the game is too poor to make a more intelligent analysis than that.
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On September 06 2013 03:56 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
nah theorycraft is when people look purely at the stats and numbers on a skill and use that to distill "how" a champ/matchup should be played
No, that's bad theorycraft from people whose understanding of the game is too poor to make a more intelligent analysis than that.
refer to what i edited in
when the other guy compared lux ult to ziggs ult - theres no way to "theorycraft" how the opponents are standing - in a line or a giant circle, in or out of ziggs center, etc., so the pure numbers comparison of the damage is pretty much useless
how can yo theorycraft taking that into consideration?
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I think what Ziggs is really good at is poking and sieging towers and waiting for a counterengage.
Think of a team like...
Ziggs, Caitlyn, Zyra, Kennen, Elise.
They've got all kinds of disengage, counterengage and tower poking potential. They don't really start fights but in order for the enemy team to jump on them they have to jump through Ziggs minefields and Cait traps into a Ziggs ult on top of a Zyra ult on top of a Kennen ult.
Lux or Xerath would work here too but what Ziggs offers is less pick off kill potential for more poking damage and burst damage once the enemy team engages on you. He's also better at killing towers.
He's also a ridiculous lane bully. Ziggs level 1-3 or so is absurd.
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Still gonna get Forecast Janna, but I'd be a liar if I said the login screen for it isn't disappointing as all hell.
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On September 06 2013 03:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 06 2013 03:47 red_ wrote:On September 06 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 06 2013 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 02:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Cheep, plz play Ziggs in the next IH you play.
Edit: and make your team comp around Ziggs. I want to see dis in action. i played ziggs in the first liquidpractice in house we ever played months ago also my league is broken right now i have the launcher/patcher won't launch bug where the game is stuck on the pvp.net logo when trying to run the rads kernel gonna wait and see if riot resolves it cause i dont really want to reinstall my game zz Sounds like a doj to me. I'll ask yanger for a ruling. And that was months ago, plz play him in something recent and hopefully Monty can record. I'm unsold on Ziggs but you say otherwise. I'm almost certain I have proof on my twitch channel. There should be a clip of Cheep failing a W and blowing himself backwards and dying from last year in the highlights. I could be lying but ill check later tonight when I get the chance lolololololol Also I'm real sad I missed the caster discussion. A few things to say I guess: Sonivs comment about trying casting yourself....I'm not really sure how it applies. I know for certain that not everyone can cast well, either analysis or PBP, but I've never considered it something hard to do either. I don't think that's a testament to my personal skill (mostly because I know I'm shit---TL gives me too much credit. <3 you guys but its true. ), I've just never found what I do for fun particularly taxing or difficult. I'm sure the amount of work it takes to actually be really good I would need much more practice and work put in...but on my level what I do I certainly wouldn't consider hard. Caster hate- honestly I find I don't listen to them much or find I care a great deal for most of the analysis one way or the other The massive caster skype group I am a part of though puts things into an interesting perspective---they know there are a lot of people like TL on the whole who hate their style or how they do things, but they carry on because they do receieve enough appreciation for doing so. As far as restreaming LCS---Yanger has offered to have me restream a lot of Chinese LoL but I've heard horror stories about restreamers having their channels shut down. Not really worth it for me to risk it on LCS either. IHs are another story of course and I do enjoy doing them from time to time---Neo still waiting for your availability so we can do one and you can show me ur skillz! I'll cast with you if Neo dodges more. I think I prefer it to actually playing in the IH's right now(just kinda meh on playing, almost time for my yearly year long break). Ok. You around tonight? Played a bunch of duo q last night so I don't feel guilty if I don't play tonight. All that caster talk makes me want to tryhard cast it though,instead of halfassing it. You up for that? Ah, gonna ditch me in my attempts to climb back up, eh?
Lolol I dunno man I'm worried our luck will run out!
I'd say I feel bad for having you carry me because I don't want to hit gold that way, but honestly its probably the other way around.
Ill see what the timing is like. Probably no reason I can't do both.
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On September 06 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
how can yo theorycraft taking that into consideration?
You don't.
Good theorycraft is cognizant of the limitations of what you can analyze and makes concessions to this. Bad theorycraft tries to put numbers to things you can't put numbers to.
At the point where you have two incomparables, you either leave it up to the reader to decide or you defer to experience in which you feel is better.
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On September 06 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 02:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Cheep, plz play Ziggs in the next IH you play.
Edit: and make your team comp around Ziggs. I want to see dis in action. i played ziggs in the first liquidpractice in house we ever played months ago also my league is broken right now i have the launcher/patcher won't launch bug where the game is stuck on the pvp.net logo when trying to run the rads kernel gonna wait and see if riot resolves it cause i dont really want to reinstall my game zz Sounds like a doj to me. I'll ask yanger for a ruling. And that was months ago, plz play him in something recent and hopefully Monty can record. I'm unsold on Ziggs but you say otherwise. I'm almost certain I have proof on my twitch channel. Also I'm real sad I missed the caster discussion. A few things to say I guess: Sonivs comment about trying casting yourself....I'm not really sure how it applies. I know for certain that not everyone can cast well, either analysis or PBP, but I've never considered it something hard to do either. I don't think that's a testament to my personal skill (mostly because I know I'm shit---TL gives me too much credit. <3 you guys but its true. ), I've just never found what I do for fun particularly taxing or difficult. I'm sure the amount of work it takes to actually be really good I would need much more practice and work put in...but on my level what I do I certainly wouldn't consider hard. Caster hate- honestly I find I don't listen to them much or find I care a great deal for most of the analysis one way or the other The massive caster skype group I am a part of though puts things into an interesting perspective---they know there are a lot of people like TL on the whole who hate their style or how they do things, but they carry on because they do receieve enough appreciation for doing so.
I am also sad that I missed the caster talk, because I think that the only real problem is that they never just kind of slow down and let me watch the game. Like, there will be a lot of action where they get intense and then they show a replay (all good so far), but then while its a 2v1 on the map with no one near each other they start talking about each CS sona is going to get (why do I need this?). Better if Phreak and Riv just simultaneously took a long drink of water and let my mind and ears rest. Its not so much about what you say, its about what you dont say.
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forecast janna's face - worst art ever or what?
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On September 06 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
how can yo theorycraft taking that into consideration? You don't. Good theorycraft is cognizant of the limitations of what you can analyze and makes concessions to this. Bad theorycraft tries to put numbers to things you can't put numbers to. At the point where you have two incomparables, you either leave it up to the reader to decide or you defer to experience in which you feel is better.
that's fair
my point is simply people shouldnt theorycraft things and try to use theorycraft as the end all be all modelling of all in-game scenarios, which was essentially what was happenign here, and what happens in the vast majority of cases
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On September 06 2013 03:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:48 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 03:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 03:37 sylverfyre wrote:
Theorycraft blows but dodging the call to bring it to an inhouse. What now? in houses are a piss poor proof of anything when you have disparate skill levels involved i've made the point before but it bears repeating, just cause something works or doesn't work in bronze/silver/gold/plat/diamond/cardboard doesn't mean it's actually viable or unviable in top competitive play,which is the only standard that should matter anything below that everything is good and it just comes down to individual skill. if you get a match with 10 people of somewhat similar skill level, it becomes a better approximation, though still nowhere near rigorous as the variables are too wild also i really dislike in houses where you match something like 2 diamonds/3 golds vs 2 diamonds/3 golds or anything like that, because it just comes down to a 2v2 between the diamonds on who can stomp harder. Jokes aside, it does have to be so black and white? As long as we put someone at your level in mid lane (e.g. not Atrioc on Fizz), it should be an interesting and somewhat product trial run. I mean you like Ziggs, I assume you play him the most, so what's the problem? Even in team fights, if you lose a team fight that entirely not your fault, any unbiased observer should be able to see that. If you can carry in team fights, then more power to you. In the end, playing Ziggs in an IH is far superior than talking about it here. Considering your metric of pro level having a forecast with Ziggs is utterly nil. i mean whats the difference there between an in house performance with someone close to my level and just looking at solo q stats? i think ziggs is one of my most played champs :| someone go dig up that old game where dade played ziggs pls *_*
Because actually watching it is a lot different from looking at stats.
Competitively speaking, ziggs isn't going to be a particularly strong pick in the current environment in which none of the other poke artist mids are strong picks. We're not seeing much in the way of Nid/Lux/Xerath either. Why would ziggs be be a strong pick when all the other champions with kits in the same broad categories are considered weak picks right now? What does he have that those other options lack that will keep Faker's Ahri or Dade's Zed from just collecting free gold from your corpse at level 6? Gragas is the only poke-ish mid that we see right now, and he has a clear answer to that question: damage reduction, high mobility, and a strong disengage ult.
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On September 06 2013 04:02 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 03:48 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 03:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 03:37 sylverfyre wrote:
Theorycraft blows but dodging the call to bring it to an inhouse. What now? in houses are a piss poor proof of anything when you have disparate skill levels involved i've made the point before but it bears repeating, just cause something works or doesn't work in bronze/silver/gold/plat/diamond/cardboard doesn't mean it's actually viable or unviable in top competitive play,which is the only standard that should matter anything below that everything is good and it just comes down to individual skill. if you get a match with 10 people of somewhat similar skill level, it becomes a better approximation, though still nowhere near rigorous as the variables are too wild also i really dislike in houses where you match something like 2 diamonds/3 golds vs 2 diamonds/3 golds or anything like that, because it just comes down to a 2v2 between the diamonds on who can stomp harder. Jokes aside, it does have to be so black and white? As long as we put someone at your level in mid lane (e.g. not Atrioc on Fizz), it should be an interesting and somewhat product trial run. I mean you like Ziggs, I assume you play him the most, so what's the problem? Even in team fights, if you lose a team fight that entirely not your fault, any unbiased observer should be able to see that. If you can carry in team fights, then more power to you. In the end, playing Ziggs in an IH is far superior than talking about it here. Considering your metric of pro level having a forecast with Ziggs is utterly nil. i mean whats the difference there between an in house performance with someone close to my level and just looking at solo q stats? i think ziggs is one of my most played champs :| someone go dig up that old game where dade played ziggs pls *_* Because actually watching it is a lot different from looking at stats. Competitively speaking, ziggs isn't going to be a particularly strong pick in the current environment in which none of the other poke artist mids are strong picks. We're not seeing much in the way of Nid/Lux/Xerath either. Why would ziggs be be a strong pick when all the other champions with kits in the same broad categories are considered weak picks right now?
i didnt say ziggs was a good pick for the current meta i think he's very strong and offers better poke compared to those other popular poke champs, and when poke comps become better/more popular again, teams should consider into picking him over lux/xerath/etc
like im happy to play i just have terror net + a broken league client right now
ty now we have in game proof can you haters stfu now
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On September 06 2013 04:00 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 06 2013 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 02:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Cheep, plz play Ziggs in the next IH you play.
Edit: and make your team comp around Ziggs. I want to see dis in action. i played ziggs in the first liquidpractice in house we ever played months ago also my league is broken right now i have the launcher/patcher won't launch bug where the game is stuck on the pvp.net logo when trying to run the rads kernel gonna wait and see if riot resolves it cause i dont really want to reinstall my game zz Sounds like a doj to me. I'll ask yanger for a ruling. And that was months ago, plz play him in something recent and hopefully Monty can record. I'm unsold on Ziggs but you say otherwise. I'm almost certain I have proof on my twitch channel. Also I'm real sad I missed the caster discussion. A few things to say I guess: Sonivs comment about trying casting yourself....I'm not really sure how it applies. I know for certain that not everyone can cast well, either analysis or PBP, but I've never considered it something hard to do either. I don't think that's a testament to my personal skill (mostly because I know I'm shit---TL gives me too much credit. <3 you guys but its true. ), I've just never found what I do for fun particularly taxing or difficult. I'm sure the amount of work it takes to actually be really good I would need much more practice and work put in...but on my level what I do I certainly wouldn't consider hard. Caster hate- honestly I find I don't listen to them much or find I care a great deal for most of the analysis one way or the other The massive caster skype group I am a part of though puts things into an interesting perspective---they know there are a lot of people like TL on the whole who hate their style or how they do things, but they carry on because they do receieve enough appreciation for doing so. I am also sad that I missed the caster talk, because I think that the only real problem is that they never just kind of slow down and let me watch the game. Like, there will be a lot of action where they get intense and then they show a replay (all good so far), but then while its a 2v1 on the map with no one near each other they start talking about each CS sona is going to get (why do I need this?). Better if Phreak and Riv just simultaneously took a long drink of water and let my mind and ears rest. Its not so much about what you say, its about what you dont say.
There is a pretty serious unspoken rule about not allowing dead air when you're casting. I think that we can look at LCS casters (who are the only ones who do it this way) and say dead air is preferable to their filler is pretty egregious.
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On September 06 2013 04:08 OhTwoMise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:00 cLutZ wrote:On September 06 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 06 2013 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 02:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Cheep, plz play Ziggs in the next IH you play.
Edit: and make your team comp around Ziggs. I want to see dis in action. i played ziggs in the first liquidpractice in house we ever played months ago also my league is broken right now i have the launcher/patcher won't launch bug where the game is stuck on the pvp.net logo when trying to run the rads kernel gonna wait and see if riot resolves it cause i dont really want to reinstall my game zz Sounds like a doj to me. I'll ask yanger for a ruling. And that was months ago, plz play him in something recent and hopefully Monty can record. I'm unsold on Ziggs but you say otherwise. I'm almost certain I have proof on my twitch channel. Also I'm real sad I missed the caster discussion. A few things to say I guess: Sonivs comment about trying casting yourself....I'm not really sure how it applies. I know for certain that not everyone can cast well, either analysis or PBP, but I've never considered it something hard to do either. I don't think that's a testament to my personal skill (mostly because I know I'm shit---TL gives me too much credit. <3 you guys but its true. ), I've just never found what I do for fun particularly taxing or difficult. I'm sure the amount of work it takes to actually be really good I would need much more practice and work put in...but on my level what I do I certainly wouldn't consider hard. Caster hate- honestly I find I don't listen to them much or find I care a great deal for most of the analysis one way or the other The massive caster skype group I am a part of though puts things into an interesting perspective---they know there are a lot of people like TL on the whole who hate their style or how they do things, but they carry on because they do receieve enough appreciation for doing so. I am also sad that I missed the caster talk, because I think that the only real problem is that they never just kind of slow down and let me watch the game. Like, there will be a lot of action where they get intense and then they show a replay (all good so far), but then while its a 2v1 on the map with no one near each other they start talking about each CS sona is going to get (why do I need this?). Better if Phreak and Riv just simultaneously took a long drink of water and let my mind and ears rest. Its not so much about what you say, its about what you dont say. There is a pretty serious unspoken rule about not allowing dead air when you're casting. I think that we can look at LCS casters (who are the only ones who do it this way) and say dead air is preferable to their filler is pretty egregious.
Was going to say the same thing.
Perfect example of it being damn near impossible to please everyone. 
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Dead air is the anti-christ, as casters you can't have it.
Idk why people think casting is easy, that shit is hard. It's pretty easy to say it's easy when you are casting to no one or a couple people, but when you have an actual audience it's some majorly stressful and hard shit. I have casted SC2 events to 7k+ people, and that was one of the hardest things I have ever done.
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On September 06 2013 03:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 06 2013 03:47 red_ wrote:On September 06 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 06 2013 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 02:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Cheep, plz play Ziggs in the next IH you play.
Edit: and make your team comp around Ziggs. I want to see dis in action. i played ziggs in the first liquidpractice in house we ever played months ago also my league is broken right now i have the launcher/patcher won't launch bug where the game is stuck on the pvp.net logo when trying to run the rads kernel gonna wait and see if riot resolves it cause i dont really want to reinstall my game zz Sounds like a doj to me. I'll ask yanger for a ruling. And that was months ago, plz play him in something recent and hopefully Monty can record. I'm unsold on Ziggs but you say otherwise. I'm almost certain I have proof on my twitch channel. There should be a clip of Cheep failing a W and blowing himself backwards and dying from last year in the highlights. I could be lying but ill check later tonight when I get the chance lolololololol Also I'm real sad I missed the caster discussion. A few things to say I guess: Sonivs comment about trying casting yourself....I'm not really sure how it applies. I know for certain that not everyone can cast well, either analysis or PBP, but I've never considered it something hard to do either. I don't think that's a testament to my personal skill (mostly because I know I'm shit---TL gives me too much credit. <3 you guys but its true. ), I've just never found what I do for fun particularly taxing or difficult. I'm sure the amount of work it takes to actually be really good I would need much more practice and work put in...but on my level what I do I certainly wouldn't consider hard. Caster hate- honestly I find I don't listen to them much or find I care a great deal for most of the analysis one way or the other The massive caster skype group I am a part of though puts things into an interesting perspective---they know there are a lot of people like TL on the whole who hate their style or how they do things, but they carry on because they do receieve enough appreciation for doing so. As far as restreaming LCS---Yanger has offered to have me restream a lot of Chinese LoL but I've heard horror stories about restreamers having their channels shut down. Not really worth it for me to risk it on LCS either. IHs are another story of course and I do enjoy doing them from time to time---Neo still waiting for your availability so we can do one and you can show me ur skillz! I'll cast with you if Neo dodges more. I think I prefer it to actually playing in the IH's right now(just kinda meh on playing, almost time for my yearly year long break). Ok. You around tonight? Played a bunch of duo q last night so I don't feel guilty if I don't play tonight. All that caster talk makes me want to tryhard cast it though,instead of halfassing it. You up for that? Ah, gonna ditch me in my attempts to climb back up, eh?
If you didn't fall so low you'd actually be happy not to have a Silver scrub hindering you!
I wanna see another Heimer run to Diamond, c'mon, fall is almost there, it's the perfect time to write History. 
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k im convinced nasus is currently broken, after SV buffs and all the top laners getting nerfed hes pretty much unmovable from top.
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On September 06 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:08 OhTwoMise wrote:On September 06 2013 04:00 cLutZ wrote:On September 06 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 06 2013 03:01 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 06 2013 02:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 06 2013 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Cheep, plz play Ziggs in the next IH you play.
Edit: and make your team comp around Ziggs. I want to see dis in action. i played ziggs in the first liquidpractice in house we ever played months ago also my league is broken right now i have the launcher/patcher won't launch bug where the game is stuck on the pvp.net logo when trying to run the rads kernel gonna wait and see if riot resolves it cause i dont really want to reinstall my game zz Sounds like a doj to me. I'll ask yanger for a ruling. And that was months ago, plz play him in something recent and hopefully Monty can record. I'm unsold on Ziggs but you say otherwise. I'm almost certain I have proof on my twitch channel. Also I'm real sad I missed the caster discussion. A few things to say I guess: Sonivs comment about trying casting yourself....I'm not really sure how it applies. I know for certain that not everyone can cast well, either analysis or PBP, but I've never considered it something hard to do either. I don't think that's a testament to my personal skill (mostly because I know I'm shit---TL gives me too much credit. <3 you guys but its true. ), I've just never found what I do for fun particularly taxing or difficult. I'm sure the amount of work it takes to actually be really good I would need much more practice and work put in...but on my level what I do I certainly wouldn't consider hard. Caster hate- honestly I find I don't listen to them much or find I care a great deal for most of the analysis one way or the other The massive caster skype group I am a part of though puts things into an interesting perspective---they know there are a lot of people like TL on the whole who hate their style or how they do things, but they carry on because they do receieve enough appreciation for doing so. I am also sad that I missed the caster talk, because I think that the only real problem is that they never just kind of slow down and let me watch the game. Like, there will be a lot of action where they get intense and then they show a replay (all good so far), but then while its a 2v1 on the map with no one near each other they start talking about each CS sona is going to get (why do I need this?). Better if Phreak and Riv just simultaneously took a long drink of water and let my mind and ears rest. Its not so much about what you say, its about what you dont say. There is a pretty serious unspoken rule about not allowing dead air when you're casting. I think that we can look at LCS casters (who are the only ones who do it this way) and say dead air is preferable to their filler is pretty egregious. Was going to say the same thing. Perfect example of it being damn near impossible to please everyone.
I think you misunderstand me; I think EVERYONE prefers dead air to the specific filler he's talking about.
I'd also like to reiterate that I think LCS casters do a pretty good job for the most part. But god does this drive me nuts.
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On September 06 2013 04:11 kongoline wrote:
k im convinced nasus is currently broken, after SV buffs and all the top laners getting nerfed hes pretty much unmovable from top.
eh. he was always pretty immovable in lane after the first few levels and/or first back. his innate lifesteal is pretty nutso for staying in lane.
personally I always thought he was underrated as a top laner when people were sticking him in the jungle every game. Nasus Q is pretty hilarious when given solo lane farm/space.
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