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On September 27 2013 00:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:36 Ketara wrote:
I am willing to take back my PX comment if Requizen is willing to never say IBG+Trinity again. Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 21:31 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 26 2013 21:23 HazMat wrote:On September 26 2013 13:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 26 2013 13:18 FinestHour wrote:
u cant be a real member of team liquid until ur a slobbering korean lover who plays only kpop on their streams and wants to marry jessica and thinks koreans win everything sorry Oh man we've already kept that shitstorm out of GD, DON'T BRING IT HERE Kpop fans are creepy and Justin Bieber is more talented than 90% of kpop artists. Hey what do you guys think of Tforce bruiser Nid? I mean ICG is so good on her already :/ Trinity/Visage/IBG, you're a beast. Let the record show that Ketara accuses His Darkness of PX status.
LOL His Darkness. That's good, I'm gonna use that.
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Roffles
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On September 27 2013 00:42 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:37 Requizen wrote:On September 27 2013 00:27 Fusilero wrote:On September 27 2013 00:24 Seuss wrote:
NA shotcalling is awful. Most teams make really bad calls (either by doing something when they shouldn't, or doing nothing when they should) unless their shot caller or team is clearly ahead. NA barons pls. I feel like it's such an advantage that C9 has lemonation and meteos as it's clear their shots are a billion times better than all of NA. On September 27 2013 00:26 Requizen wrote:I don't really follow specific players and what not, I just watch the games and cheer for favorites. I always feel so left out of these discussions  If it's American and not C9 hate on it. TSM because I think Dyrus is just such a cool dude. On September 27 2013 00:29 Ketara wrote:
No Requizen, no.
This is PX level stupidity.
Iceborne gauntlet is a 3250 gold item that, if you already have Trinity, gives 70 armor, 500 mana, 30 AP and 10% CDR.
Glacial Shroud and a Cutlass are giving you 45 armor, 300 mana, 25 AD, 12% lifesteal, 10% CDR and also giving you a slow. For 2750 gold. With the extra 500g you can throw in an amp tome if that 30 AP is oh so important to you.
Do not build Trinity + IBG. Just stop. Stop. Please stop. I'd tend to disagree on that. Why would Nasus want a Cutlass, or for that matter a FMallet? If he's getting TF as a "single damage item", IBG offers him team utility in a slow and a good chunk of Armor and Mana (useful for E and Q spam in long fights). As I said, it's a very small number of champions that could use it. Bruiser Nid is also likely not going to build TF + Glacial + Cutlass, the Cutlass/BotRK item is superfluous for her at best. I'm also not advocating that TF/IBG is the best item combo. FH is often a better choice than IBG for a CDR/Mana/Armor combo. However, if you don't particularly need the AS slow and would like a slow, it's an option. The AP is generally superfluous, but it would be silly to get Glacial/Cutlass/Amp on a character that has little need for AD or Lifesteal. Why would Nasus want a Trinity Force?If you're building two damage items on a Nasus and the first is IBG, get IBG + Infinity Edge. IE is going to outdamage Trinity on a Nasus and you don't need the extra movespeed from Trinity when you have Wither and the IBG slow. If you're building a Trinity Force, get Trinity + Frozen Heart, don't get IBG. Nasus already has a huge slow, doesn't need AP, and FH gives more armor and more CDR. And why would bruiser Nid not want a BotRK?Please stop.
lol Ketara. Plz stop.
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ie on nasus all of my what
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Who needs IBG's CDR when you can just build SV on Nasus lol.
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On September 27 2013 00:22 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:13 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On September 27 2013 00:06 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 27 2013 00:01 Clinic wrote:
what will more time do for a player who's been playing competitively since season 1?
of the gen1 of na pros, i wonder how many would be able to draw notice if they were to start from scratch today Yeah, because he's trash and has never played good since then? I specifically mentioned how great he played in the Spring split. It was part of why Curse was good at that point in time. I've said it before, but if you get rid of Saint, Curse falls even further apart. Unless they pick up the next Meteos He didn't play well in the spring split, he fell into a format where fat bruisers tower diving was already how he played, and it just so happened they were really good. There's a difference between Diamond making junglers, and what saint did. Saint just happened to play champions that got indirectly buffed with the jungle changes. Also I forgot CLG, they should replace everyone except for Link. Doublelift has been playing for so long and is still stupid, and his mechanics aren't unique, but expected from an ad now. Chauster, Bigfat, and Nien are so underwhelming. Nien can only win when he free farms for a million years on champions that scale massively. Yeah, you say this but then again you have to realize, who in NA is up to par at those positions? Replace Double with Zuna amirite?
You'll never know unless they actually try to recruit people. I hadn't hear of anyone on C9, and yet here they are.
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On September 27 2013 00:44 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:22 Roffles wrote:On September 27 2013 00:13 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On September 27 2013 00:06 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 27 2013 00:01 Clinic wrote:
what will more time do for a player who's been playing competitively since season 1?
of the gen1 of na pros, i wonder how many would be able to draw notice if they were to start from scratch today Yeah, because he's trash and has never played good since then? I specifically mentioned how great he played in the Spring split. It was part of why Curse was good at that point in time. I've said it before, but if you get rid of Saint, Curse falls even further apart. Unless they pick up the next Meteos He didn't play well in the spring split, he fell into a format where fat bruisers tower diving was already how he played, and it just so happened they were really good. There's a difference between Diamond making junglers, and what saint did. Saint just happened to play champions that got indirectly buffed with the jungle changes. Also I forgot CLG, they should replace everyone except for Link. Doublelift has been playing for so long and is still stupid, and his mechanics aren't unique, but expected from an ad now. Chauster, Bigfat, and Nien are so underwhelming. Nien can only win when he free farms for a million years on champions that scale massively. Yeah, you say this but then again you have to realize, who in NA is up to par at those positions? Replace Double with Zuna amirite? You'll never know unless they actually try to recruit people. I hadn't hear of anyone on C9, and yet here they are.
Wow I'm a moron.
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On September 27 2013 00:44 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:22 Roffles wrote:On September 27 2013 00:13 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On September 27 2013 00:06 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 27 2013 00:01 Clinic wrote:
what will more time do for a player who's been playing competitively since season 1?
of the gen1 of na pros, i wonder how many would be able to draw notice if they were to start from scratch today Yeah, because he's trash and has never played good since then? I specifically mentioned how great he played in the Spring split. It was part of why Curse was good at that point in time. I've said it before, but if you get rid of Saint, Curse falls even further apart. Unless they pick up the next Meteos He didn't play well in the spring split, he fell into a format where fat bruisers tower diving was already how he played, and it just so happened they were really good. There's a difference between Diamond making junglers, and what saint did. Saint just happened to play champions that got indirectly buffed with the jungle changes. Also I forgot CLG, they should replace everyone except for Link. Doublelift has been playing for so long and is still stupid, and his mechanics aren't unique, but expected from an ad now. Chauster, Bigfat, and Nien are so underwhelming. Nien can only win when he free farms for a million years on champions that scale massively. Yeah, you say this but then again you have to realize, who in NA is up to par at those positions? Replace Double with Zuna amirite? You'll never know unless they actually try to recruit people. I hadn't hear of anyone on C9, and yet here they are.
Hai and Lemon played on orb, Balls played on FeaR, and Sneaky played on Pulse (who became dig jr. for a bit and they played in a bunch of solomid tournaments). They all had some sort of competitive experience. Meteos was really the only "unknown" player on the team.
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On September 27 2013 00:10 Roffles wrote:
Yeah, so could Faker.
What's your point?
Crs faker. I want to believe. Lol.
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On September 27 2013 00:42 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:37 Requizen wrote:On September 27 2013 00:27 Fusilero wrote:On September 27 2013 00:24 Seuss wrote:
NA shotcalling is awful. Most teams make really bad calls (either by doing something when they shouldn't, or doing nothing when they should) unless their shot caller or team is clearly ahead. NA barons pls. I feel like it's such an advantage that C9 has lemonation and meteos as it's clear their shots are a billion times better than all of NA. On September 27 2013 00:26 Requizen wrote:I don't really follow specific players and what not, I just watch the games and cheer for favorites. I always feel so left out of these discussions If it's American and not C9 hate on it. TSM because I think Dyrus is just such a cool dude. On September 27 2013 00:29 Ketara wrote:
No Requizen, no.
This is PX level stupidity.
Iceborne gauntlet is a 3250 gold item that, if you already have Trinity, gives 70 armor, 500 mana, 30 AP and 10% CDR.
Glacial Shroud and a Cutlass are giving you 45 armor, 300 mana, 25 AD, 12% lifesteal, 10% CDR and also giving you a slow. For 2750 gold. With the extra 500g you can throw in an amp tome if that 30 AP is oh so important to you.
Do not build Trinity + IBG. Just stop. Stop. Please stop. I'd tend to disagree on that. Why would Nasus want a Cutlass, or for that matter a FMallet? If he's getting TF as a "single damage item", IBG offers him team utility in a slow and a good chunk of Armor and Mana (useful for E and Q spam in long fights). As I said, it's a very small number of champions that could use it. Bruiser Nid is also likely not going to build TF + Glacial + Cutlass, the Cutlass/BotRK item is superfluous for her at best. I'm also not advocating that TF/IBG is the best item combo. FH is often a better choice than IBG for a CDR/Mana/Armor combo. However, if you don't particularly need the AS slow and would like a slow, it's an option. The AP is generally superfluous, but it would be silly to get Glacial/Cutlass/Amp on a character that has little need for AD or Lifesteal. Why would Nasus want a Trinity Force? If you're building two damage items on a Nasus and the first is IBG, get IBG + Infinity Edge. IE is going to outdamage Trinity on a Nasus and you don't need the extra movespeed from Trinity when you have Wither and the IBG slow. If you're building a Trinity Force, get Trinity + Frozen Heart, don't get IBG. Nasus already has a huge slow, doesn't need AP, and FH gives more armor and more CDR. And why would bruiser Nid not want a BotRK? Please stop.
Wut. TF is often listed and built as a great damage item for Nasus, for good reason. I have yet to see a Nasus player sit around on money and buy an IE, despite what math says it's just not practical as an early item.
Wither is a single target. IBG gives an AoE slow that helps keep multiple people in you ult, while you Wither a person far away. I freely admitted that Frozen Heart is often better, as well.
I have never seen a bruiser Nid build BotRK, especially if TF is already on her. Then you're just AD Nid and die instantly even with jumps lol.
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On September 27 2013 00:43 onlywonderboy wrote:
Who needs IBG's CDR when you can just build SV on Nasus lol.
That's because SV just broken lol.
Also sometimes you need 0 MR because Zed mid and no one knows to pick AP jungle/top
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On September 27 2013 00:49 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:43 onlywonderboy wrote:
Who needs IBG's CDR when you can just build SV on Nasus lol. That's because SV just broken lol. Also sometimes you need 0 MR because Zed mid and no one knows to pick AP jungle/top
SV is never bad!
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On September 27 2013 00:51 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:49 Requizen wrote:On September 27 2013 00:43 onlywonderboy wrote:
Who needs IBG's CDR when you can just build SV on Nasus lol. That's because SV just broken lol. Also sometimes you need 0 MR because Zed mid and no one knows to pick AP jungle/top SV is never bad!
Esp considering his passive.
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I don't really know what I just read in here but keep the theorycrafts coming I need more ARAM builds
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Roffles
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Ok Ketara, here's the rundown.
IE blows on Nasus because Q doesn't crit. It also gives him nothing useful besides a little bit of damage and some crit (a stat that Nasus doesn't really care about), whereas TF gives him a little bit of everything he wants, from movespeed to more survivability to more damage. As a champ that's going to naturally build some CDR, he benefits from Triforce in that he can utilize the procs more often. IE is trash as well if you're not getting other crit items.
Stop calling Req bad when your ideas are bad too.
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Ie is trash if you don't have other crit items.
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So guys, after worlds, how well do you think Quantic is going to do? NA still free, or do they maybe have a fighting chance?
I don't feel that Quantic will be too strong, they can definitely pick on the weaker teams, but the top three have a good shot at beating them.
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On September 27 2013 00:48 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:44 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On September 27 2013 00:22 Roffles wrote:On September 27 2013 00:13 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On September 27 2013 00:06 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 27 2013 00:01 Clinic wrote:
what will more time do for a player who's been playing competitively since season 1?
of the gen1 of na pros, i wonder how many would be able to draw notice if they were to start from scratch today Yeah, because he's trash and has never played good since then? I specifically mentioned how great he played in the Spring split. It was part of why Curse was good at that point in time. I've said it before, but if you get rid of Saint, Curse falls even further apart. Unless they pick up the next Meteos He didn't play well in the spring split, he fell into a format where fat bruisers tower diving was already how he played, and it just so happened they were really good. There's a difference between Diamond making junglers, and what saint did. Saint just happened to play champions that got indirectly buffed with the jungle changes. Also I forgot CLG, they should replace everyone except for Link. Doublelift has been playing for so long and is still stupid, and his mechanics aren't unique, but expected from an ad now. Chauster, Bigfat, and Nien are so underwhelming. Nien can only win when he free farms for a million years on champions that scale massively. Yeah, you say this but then again you have to realize, who in NA is up to par at those positions? Replace Double with Zuna amirite? You'll never know unless they actually try to recruit people. I hadn't hear of anyone on C9, and yet here they are. Hai and Lemon played on orb, Balls played on FeaR, and Sneaky played on Pulse (who became dig jr. for a bit and they played in a bunch of solomid tournaments). They all had some sort of competitive experience. Meteos was really the only "unknown" player on the team.
Meteos was unknown because he's an android constructed by LemonNation designed to jungle like a god.
On September 27 2013 00:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
So guys, after worlds, how well do you think Quantic is going to do? NA still free, or do they maybe have a fighting chance?
I don't feel that Quantic will be too strong, they can definitely pick on the weaker teams, but the top three have a good shot at beating them.
I said it before and I'll say it again, they will not break top 4 if they get into the LCS.
They could probably beat VES (don't hurt me guitar, pls), but that's the most I'm willing to say.
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On September 27 2013 00:57 nafta wrote:
Ie is trash if you don't have other crit items.
That's why you build 2 IE's.
On September 27 2013 00:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
So guys, after worlds, how well do you think Quantic is going to do? NA still free, or do they maybe have a fighting chance?
I don't feel that Quantic will be too strong, they can definitely pick on the weaker teams, but the top three have a good shot at beating them.
After watching locodocos failed 2v1 tower dive, I'm not sure if they can even qualify.
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Trinity is only okay on nasus.
I feel like you get trinity because you don't even need to get damage on nasus but he's so tanky anyway that you're like okay whatever guess i'll get trinity because it gives me lots of junk.
And also all the other damage items aren't good on nasus. except maybe ibg. TBH IBG is probably better because Q is king and IBG lets you Q more often.
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On September 27 2013 00:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
So guys, after worlds, how well do you think Quantic is going to do? NA still free, or do they maybe have a fighting chance?
I don't feel that Quantic will be too strong, they can definitely pick on the weaker teams, but the top three have a good shot at beating them.
Didn't they drop a game to Coast in that one tourney?
Considering how dominant C9 is and how much lower the rest of the teams were (even if C9 doesn't compare to the international teams), if Quantic isn't steamrolling as hard as C9 did it's kind of hard to call.
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