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Kyrie
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 26 2013 23:44 SnK-Arcbound wrote: This should be a nice topic; who whould be replaced on the NA teams? I think everyone on curse should be replaced. Honerable mention to voyboy because I think with some better training he could come back, but SV, cop, and Jacky just can't pull their weight. TSM should replace Regi and TOO. I'm a little weary on Dyrus and Xpecial, because dyrus usually eats all the shit from the enemy team since regi can't win lane, and xpecial is obviously doing well with turtle. Dig should replace everyone. Not a single player is up to standards. I have no idea how vulcan even wins games, except that the teams they play against are even worse then they are. I think you're jumping the gun on Curse as a team. I think Jacky needs some time off. Move Voy Mid and bring in Rhux for Top. I'd like to see how that iteration of the team works out. Everyone is so quick to jump on Saint, but he was playing bad before the LCS started, did really well in Spring, and then played bad in Summer. He's totally able to rebound, so I think it's fair to give him more time. I think Cop played pretty well in the Summer split as well along with EDward. If EDward leaves this creates much more problems for Curse. | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
of the gen1 of na pros, i wonder how many would be able to draw notice if they were to start from scratch today | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [TLDR] + Jacky sucks, Voy got camped like WingsOfDeathX, Saint's more toxic than Cheep, Cop's a pussy, and Edward turned to shit ever since he moved to Curse | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:01 Clinic wrote: what will more time do for a player who's been playing competitively since season 1? of the gen1 of na pros, i wonder how many would be able to draw notice if they were to start from scratch today Yeah, because he's trash and has never played good since then? I specifically mentioned how great he played in the Spring split. It was part of why Curse was good at that point in time. I've said it before, but if you get rid of Saint, Curse falls even further apart. Unless they pick up the next Meteos | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
LA > Cologne for living standards and esp because a lot of germans refuse to speak english. I think it was in a Deficio interview, where he made clear they were not rly happy living in germany. Same could be true for Bjergsen. I think the teams are also richer. So prob more salary. For streaming there are A LOT of mids he has to compete during primetime streaming hours, Oce, Froggen stream a lot and always pull 15-20k viewers. In NA he could be THE mid streaming during their hours. ----> more cash. Also I think EU mids had a great showing at Worlds and showed they r still one of the bests in the world. Without a doubt sb like Bjergsen would be the best or one of the best mids in the NA lcs. Nukeduck for example rates him higher than Alex or Xpeke. tl;dr Bjergsen could become a superstar in NA. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
What's your point? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 26 2013 23:46 The_Unseen wrote: That's reaaaally interesting, cause I'm always torn between IBG and Triforce on my Nasus. Lists of characters who would benifit from both? Neo mentionned Nidalee top, I assume in a splitpushing mindset? Who else? To get a list of those, you need to think of it like this. Once you have Triforce, IBG gives you no damage (other than 30AP if you scale with AP). So likely you're looking for a utility bruiser that wants Armor/Mana/AP and the proc, and can buy it over another item. I'd say Nasus is a good choice, bruiser Nid sure. Maybe Irelia or Jax if you can afford IBG over another armor or damage item. Udyr perhaps if you're going full TF + tank. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 26 2013 23:50 Ketara wrote: Why wouldn't you just build Trinity + Fmallet :| If you want the utility of an AoE slow for chasing/setting up combos. Edit: also if you value AP/Mana/Armor over AD/Health | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:06 onlywonderboy wrote: Yeah, because he's trash and has never played good since then? I specifically mentioned how great he played in the Spring split. It was part of why Curse was good at that point in time. I've said it before, but if you get rid of Saint, Curse falls even further apart. Unless they pick up the next Meteos He didn't play well in the spring split, he fell into a format where fat bruisers tower diving was already how he played, and it just so happened they were really good. There's a difference between Diamond making junglers, and what saint did. Saint just happened to play champions that got indirectly buffed with the jungle changes. Also I forgot CLG, they should replace everyone except for Link. Doublelift has been playing for so long and is still stupid, and his mechanics aren't unique, but expected from an ad now. Chauster, Bigfat, and Nien are so underwhelming. Nien can only win when he free farms for a million years on champions that scale massively. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On September 26 2013 23:46 The_Unseen wrote: That's reaaaally interesting, cause I'm always torn between IBG and Triforce on my Nasus. Lists of characters who would benifit from both? Neo mentionned Nidalee top, I assume in a splitpushing mindset? Who else? It's still not great, since you "lose" the damage from IBG (triforce replaces IBG's spellblade damage). If you want a slow effect, also consider whether getting a Frozen Mallet would be better than a IBG. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:17 thenexusp wrote: It's still not great, since you "lose" the damage from IBG (triforce replaces IBG's spellblade damage). If you want a slow effect, also consider whether getting a Frozen Mallet would be better than a IBG. While you have to take it with a grain of salt, LoL Wiki lists IBG as cost-effective even without the passive. Therefore, if you value Armor/CDR/Mana/AP and want a slow, it's still a possibility. Whether cost/item timings make it a *good* choice is another thing. Also compared to FMallet, it has a decent build up with Glacial Shroud, while FMallet are just parts until it finishes. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:13 SnK-Arcbound wrote: He didn't play well in the spring split, he fell into a format where fat bruisers tower diving was already how he played, and it just so happened they were really good. There's a difference between Diamond making junglers, and what saint did. Saint just happened to play champions that got indirectly buffed with the jungle changes. Also I forgot CLG, they should replace everyone except for Link. Doublelift has been playing for so long and is still stupid, and his mechanics aren't unique, but expected from an ad now. Chauster, Bigfat, and Nien are so underwhelming. Nien can only win when he free farms for a million years on champions that scale massively. lol, you have such bold claims about the pro scene. I agree the meta fit Saint's style, but I was referring more to his shot calling which seemed to be more on point in the Spring split as the team looked more cohesive. This could have been a result of him being more confidant as he was playing champs he felt stronger on. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:13 SnK-Arcbound wrote: He didn't play well in the spring split, he fell into a format where fat bruisers tower diving was already how he played, and it just so happened they were really good. There's a difference between Diamond making junglers, and what saint did. Saint just happened to play champions that got indirectly buffed with the jungle changes. Also I forgot CLG, they should replace everyone except for Link. Doublelift has been playing for so long and is still stupid, and his mechanics aren't unique, but expected from an ad now. Chauster, Bigfat, and Nien are so underwhelming. Nien can only win when he free farms for a million years on champions that scale massively. Yeah, you say this but then again you have to realize, who in NA is up to par at those positions? Replace Double with Zuna amirite? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:20 Fusilero wrote: I prefer IBG because of how good the cdr is on nasus, most of everything else is a massive bonus for me. Of course in that case, as was brought up early in S3, you have to weigh it against Frozen Heart. Both are Armor/CDR items, so you have to weigh whether you want the MS or AS slow, and if you want the AP/Mana over more Armor. See, Armor items are interesting because they're varied and most of them have a place. MR basically has 3 worthwhile items (Abyssal/SV/Athenes) and 1 nerfed-and-now-iffy aura item. Even at that, from a tank perspective SV is the only choice unless you're a heavy AP bruiser like Kennen or a fed Malph. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:13 SnK-Arcbound wrote: He didn't play well in the spring split, he fell into a format where fat bruisers tower diving was already how he played, and it just so happened they were really good. There's a difference between Diamond making junglers, and what saint did. Saint just happened to play champions that got indirectly buffed with the jungle changes. Also I forgot CLG, they should replace everyone except for Link. Doublelift has been playing for so long and is still stupid, and his mechanics aren't unique, but expected from an ad now. Chauster, Bigfat, and Nien are so underwhelming. Nien can only win when he free farms for a million years on champions that scale massively. Double obviously not the leader type - with proper leadership/a support that doesn't suck balls he could become #1 again. His retarded split pushing is the result of no clear coordination or even in-game goals within the team. Chauster probably too prideful to step down though. Bigfat should probably step down as well. I'd love to see Regi also retire and allow a stronger mid to take his place. It's so painful watching him derp. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:24 Seuss wrote: NA shotcalling is awful. Most teams make really bad calls (either by doing something when they shouldn't, or doing nothing when they should) unless their shot caller or team is clearly ahead. Obligatory video: | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:23 Requizen wrote: Of course in that case, as was brought up early in S3, you have to weigh it against Frozen Heart. Both are Armor/CDR items, so you have to weigh whether you want the MS or AS slow, and if you want the AP/Mana over more Armor. See, Armor items are interesting because they're varied and most of them have a place. MR basically has 3 worthwhile items (Abyssal/SV/Athenes) and 1 nerfed-and-now-iffy aura item. Even at that, from a tank perspective SV is the only choice unless you're a heavy AP bruiser like Kennen or a fed Malph. I do agree that MR itemisation is still pretty bad, I've somtimes just gotten an aegis on shen/zac because I need more MR and SV is already finished so I was just going "urm". Well I suppose there is wits end but that's a shen only thing. | ||
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