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On September 19 2013 20:49 kongoline wrote:
afaik qss doesnt stop dmg from maltz ult
it lets you move out of range of his ult though
alternatively u just qss and kill him cause he still cant do anything without breaking ult l0l
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On September 19 2013 20:49 kongoline wrote:
afaik qss doesnt stop dmg from maltz ult
But it does clear all the DoTs and allow you to get off Null Zone.
Needlessly to say, QSS hard counters Malz's combo kit.
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On September 19 2013 21:07 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 20:49 kongoline wrote:
afaik qss doesnt stop dmg from maltz ult But it does clear all the DoTs and allow you to get off Null Zone. Needlessly to say, QSS hard counters Malz's combo kit.
its like 5am neo go to sleep wtf
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On September 19 2013 14:38 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 13:49 Requizen wrote:On September 19 2013 13:39 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2013 13:32 MattBarry wrote:On September 19 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 19 2013 12:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 19 2013 12:33 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 19 2013 12:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I...think I just discovered Lissandra... Adding her to your pool? Quite potentially. I couldn't figure her out the first few times I played her. But I was solo defending a tower against all 5 enemies, Singed flung me into the middle of them. They did not live very long. How many buffs has she gotten? Very few if any, as far as I know. I always found her early damage pretty lacklustre personally, though that might be more a factor of my inability to effectively farm/being in Silver. I've been told her damage is batshits but have never really experienced it. You should stream a game imo.... She is right there with Zed in terms of ease of farming. All of her abilities are great for farming and you shouldn't run out of mana once you get chalice Never get chalice on Lissandra. You shouldn't run out of mana once you have one dorans ring. Guitar actually advocated Tear on her, something I'm not sure about but could potentially be interesting. She can possibly have mana issues in prolonged fights where she ends up spamming Q a lot. 100 mana per cast, even with her passive, can get pretty expensive, fast, so having a big pool to abuse it could potentially be good. I don't like the idea of Tear on Lissandra, although to be fair I haven't tried it. But here's my logic on the matter. #1 - The only skill she can spam to charge tear is Q, since W and E are both long cooldowns and you need to save them in case crazy things happen. #2 - Spamming Q is how you go oom on Lissandra. Lissandras passive is ridiculous but you have to make use of it correctly. Because her passive recharges between minion waves, and because Q is your farming skill and your high mana skill, if you make your passive-proc a Q that hits all the enemy minions, you'll never go oom when farming even without mana items. If you're spamming Q to charge Tear you're going to end up using your passives on Q's that don't hit much, and you'll go oom even with the extra mana. Basically the way you farm on her is you hit all the minions with a passive-Q that costs no mana, then walk into the wave and kill them all with W, which has a low mana cost and also drops your passive by 6 seconds because it just hit 6 things. #3 - Lissandra does damage. Lissandra has the ability to really bully some lane opponents (like AHRI and ZED), but in order to be threatening you need to be building damage on her. That's why I go Dorans Ring > Haunting Guise. This makes me very strong at level 6-9 when I have like, Dorans, Sorc Shoes and an Amp Tome, which is when her damage is comparatively the highest. You get kills in lane when you're doing that, whereas if you do more passive items like I used to do on her, you end up playing very defensive because you don't have enough damage. It'd be interesting to see a Tear build in bad matchups though, like against Leblanc or Syndra. I really haven't figured out what to do in those lanes yet.
I will be running more experiments on her in the future. I had a blast playing her.
I did go chalice on her, but I honestly didn't notice having low damage. I was chunking people from pretty early on. I am worried about going DRing because I do play fairly aggressively and end up spamming Q quite a lot, but I'll see what happens if I temper the harass early.
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On September 19 2013 21:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 21:07 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 19 2013 20:49 kongoline wrote:
afaik qss doesnt stop dmg from maltz ult But it does clear all the DoTs and allow you to get off Null Zone. Needlessly to say, QSS hard counters Malz's combo kit. its like 5am neo go to sleep wtf
He does this shit all the time.
I jungled Aatrox for the first time yesterday and was trolled hard by Diamondprox because I looked up a build he had for the Champ and it maxed E first and then I could never gank because Dark Flight was more like a Dark Hop.
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On September 19 2013 22:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 21:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 19 2013 21:07 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 19 2013 20:49 kongoline wrote:
afaik qss doesnt stop dmg from maltz ult But it does clear all the DoTs and allow you to get off Null Zone. Needlessly to say, QSS hard counters Malz's combo kit. its like 5am neo go to sleep wtf He does this shit all the time. I jungled Aatrox for the first time yesterday and was trolled hard by Diamondprox because I looked up a build he had for the Champ and it maxed E first and then I could never gank because Dark Flight was more like a Dark Hop.
It's not quite as impotent as Kha's unupgraded E, but it's still an awkwardly ranged skill.
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dark flight range doesnt change per rank. Max E has always been the standard be it jungle or lane.
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On September 19 2013 22:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:38 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2013 13:49 Requizen wrote:On September 19 2013 13:39 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2013 13:32 MattBarry wrote:On September 19 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 19 2013 12:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 19 2013 12:33 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 19 2013 12:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I...think I just discovered Lissandra... Adding her to your pool? Quite potentially. I couldn't figure her out the first few times I played her. But I was solo defending a tower against all 5 enemies, Singed flung me into the middle of them. They did not live very long. How many buffs has she gotten? Very few if any, as far as I know. I always found her early damage pretty lacklustre personally, though that might be more a factor of my inability to effectively farm/being in Silver. I've been told her damage is batshits but have never really experienced it. You should stream a game imo.... She is right there with Zed in terms of ease of farming. All of her abilities are great for farming and you shouldn't run out of mana once you get chalice Never get chalice on Lissandra. You shouldn't run out of mana once you have one dorans ring. Guitar actually advocated Tear on her, something I'm not sure about but could potentially be interesting. She can possibly have mana issues in prolonged fights where she ends up spamming Q a lot. 100 mana per cast, even with her passive, can get pretty expensive, fast, so having a big pool to abuse it could potentially be good. I don't like the idea of Tear on Lissandra, although to be fair I haven't tried it. But here's my logic on the matter. #1 - The only skill she can spam to charge tear is Q, since W and E are both long cooldowns and you need to save them in case crazy things happen. #2 - Spamming Q is how you go oom on Lissandra. Lissandras passive is ridiculous but you have to make use of it correctly. Because her passive recharges between minion waves, and because Q is your farming skill and your high mana skill, if you make your passive-proc a Q that hits all the enemy minions, you'll never go oom when farming even without mana items. If you're spamming Q to charge Tear you're going to end up using your passives on Q's that don't hit much, and you'll go oom even with the extra mana. Basically the way you farm on her is you hit all the minions with a passive-Q that costs no mana, then walk into the wave and kill them all with W, which has a low mana cost and also drops your passive by 6 seconds because it just hit 6 things. #3 - Lissandra does damage. Lissandra has the ability to really bully some lane opponents (like AHRI and ZED), but in order to be threatening you need to be building damage on her. That's why I go Dorans Ring > Haunting Guise. This makes me very strong at level 6-9 when I have like, Dorans, Sorc Shoes and an Amp Tome, which is when her damage is comparatively the highest. You get kills in lane when you're doing that, whereas if you do more passive items like I used to do on her, you end up playing very defensive because you don't have enough damage. It'd be interesting to see a Tear build in bad matchups though, like against Leblanc or Syndra. I really haven't figured out what to do in those lanes yet. I will be running more experiments on her in the future. I had a blast playing her. I did go chalice on her, but I honestly didn't notice having low damage. I was chunking people from pretty early on. I am worried about going DRing because I do play fairly aggressively and end up spamming Q quite a lot, but I'll see what happens if I temper the harass early.
We gotta start theorycrafting the shit out of this shit Soniv.
Lissandra is totes OP and I want to make her the OPest OP in OPland.
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On September 19 2013 22:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 21:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 19 2013 21:07 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 19 2013 20:49 kongoline wrote:
afaik qss doesnt stop dmg from maltz ult But it does clear all the DoTs and allow you to get off Null Zone. Needlessly to say, QSS hard counters Malz's combo kit. its like 5am neo go to sleep wtf He does this shit all the time. I jungled Aatrox for the first time yesterday and was trolled hard by Diamondprox because I looked up a build he had for the Champ and it maxed E first and then I could never gank because Dark Flight was more like a Dark Hop.
pretty sure cyanide, diamond and loveline all max E though :0.
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its not first time i write it but i swear to god zyra is fuckign broken champion and needs to be nerfed
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On September 19 2013 22:38 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 22:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 19 2013 14:38 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2013 13:49 Requizen wrote:On September 19 2013 13:39 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2013 13:32 MattBarry wrote:On September 19 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 19 2013 12:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 19 2013 12:33 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 19 2013 12:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I...think I just discovered Lissandra... Adding her to your pool? Quite potentially. I couldn't figure her out the first few times I played her. But I was solo defending a tower against all 5 enemies, Singed flung me into the middle of them. They did not live very long. How many buffs has she gotten? Very few if any, as far as I know. I always found her early damage pretty lacklustre personally, though that might be more a factor of my inability to effectively farm/being in Silver. I've been told her damage is batshits but have never really experienced it. You should stream a game imo.... She is right there with Zed in terms of ease of farming. All of her abilities are great for farming and you shouldn't run out of mana once you get chalice Never get chalice on Lissandra. You shouldn't run out of mana once you have one dorans ring. Guitar actually advocated Tear on her, something I'm not sure about but could potentially be interesting. She can possibly have mana issues in prolonged fights where she ends up spamming Q a lot. 100 mana per cast, even with her passive, can get pretty expensive, fast, so having a big pool to abuse it could potentially be good. I don't like the idea of Tear on Lissandra, although to be fair I haven't tried it. But here's my logic on the matter. #1 - The only skill she can spam to charge tear is Q, since W and E are both long cooldowns and you need to save them in case crazy things happen. #2 - Spamming Q is how you go oom on Lissandra. Lissandras passive is ridiculous but you have to make use of it correctly. Because her passive recharges between minion waves, and because Q is your farming skill and your high mana skill, if you make your passive-proc a Q that hits all the enemy minions, you'll never go oom when farming even without mana items. If you're spamming Q to charge Tear you're going to end up using your passives on Q's that don't hit much, and you'll go oom even with the extra mana. Basically the way you farm on her is you hit all the minions with a passive-Q that costs no mana, then walk into the wave and kill them all with W, which has a low mana cost and also drops your passive by 6 seconds because it just hit 6 things. #3 - Lissandra does damage. Lissandra has the ability to really bully some lane opponents (like AHRI and ZED), but in order to be threatening you need to be building damage on her. That's why I go Dorans Ring > Haunting Guise. This makes me very strong at level 6-9 when I have like, Dorans, Sorc Shoes and an Amp Tome, which is when her damage is comparatively the highest. You get kills in lane when you're doing that, whereas if you do more passive items like I used to do on her, you end up playing very defensive because you don't have enough damage. It'd be interesting to see a Tear build in bad matchups though, like against Leblanc or Syndra. I really haven't figured out what to do in those lanes yet. I will be running more experiments on her in the future. I had a blast playing her. I did go chalice on her, but I honestly didn't notice having low damage. I was chunking people from pretty early on. I am worried about going DRing because I do play fairly aggressively and end up spamming Q quite a lot, but I'll see what happens if I temper the harass early. We gotta start theorycrafting the shit out of this shit Soniv. Lissandra is totes OP and I want to make her the OPest OP in OPland.
More than happy to confer with people who have played her more. I was really just winging it last night cuz I was pissed at solo queue and wanted to try something fun.
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On September 19 2013 22:34 Gorsameth wrote:
dark flight range doesnt change per rank. Max E has always been the standard be it jungle or lane.
WELL GODDAMMIT IT FELT LIKE IT DID.
T_T
Honestly, it was probably just because I had a shit day for LoL yesterday. Always lose games, never not lose games.
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On September 19 2013 22:46 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 22:34 Gorsameth wrote:
dark flight range doesnt change per rank. Max E has always been the standard be it jungle or lane. WELL GODDAMMIT IT FELT LIKE IT DID. T_T Honestly, it was probably just because I had a shit day for LoL yesterday. Always lose games, never not lose games.
Every first game I do with a new jungle champion basically everything goes horribly wrong. People don't leash, I die to their jungler at the second buff, miss a baron smite, etc. It is a curse.
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On September 19 2013 22:52 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 22:46 AsmodeusXI wrote:On September 19 2013 22:34 Gorsameth wrote:
dark flight range doesnt change per rank. Max E has always been the standard be it jungle or lane. WELL GODDAMMIT IT FELT LIKE IT DID. T_T Honestly, it was probably just because I had a shit day for LoL yesterday. Always lose games, never not lose games. Every first game I do with a new jungle champion basically everything goes horribly wrong. People don't leash, I die to their jungler at the second buff, miss a baron smite, etc. It is a curse.
Oh don't worry, it wasn't just on my new Champion. Also my old ones. It was the Day of Missed Vault Breakers. T_T
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On September 19 2013 22:52 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 22:46 AsmodeusXI wrote:On September 19 2013 22:34 Gorsameth wrote:
dark flight range doesnt change per rank. Max E has always been the standard be it jungle or lane. WELL GODDAMMIT IT FELT LIKE IT DID. T_T Honestly, it was probably just because I had a shit day for LoL yesterday. Always lose games, never not lose games. Every first game I do with a new jungle champion basically everything goes horribly wrong. People don't leash, I die to their jungler at the second buff, miss a baron smite, etc. It is a curse.
Hear hear!
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On September 19 2013 22:52 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 22:46 AsmodeusXI wrote:On September 19 2013 22:34 Gorsameth wrote:
dark flight range doesnt change per rank. Max E has always been the standard be it jungle or lane. WELL GODDAMMIT IT FELT LIKE IT DID. T_T Honestly, it was probably just because I had a shit day for LoL yesterday. Always lose games, never not lose games. Every first game I do with a new jungle champion basically everything goes horribly wrong. People don't leash, I die to their jungler at the second buff, miss a baron smite, etc. It is a curse.
Haha, I think it's the same for everybody. First time I tried Vi, the enemy jungler was 3.8 Nunu (which I had never played against, since I had just picked up the game again at the time), when I finally got to level 2 he was already 6+ T.T
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On September 19 2013 23:03 BobMcJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 22:52 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2013 22:46 AsmodeusXI wrote:On September 19 2013 22:34 Gorsameth wrote:
dark flight range doesnt change per rank. Max E has always been the standard be it jungle or lane. WELL GODDAMMIT IT FELT LIKE IT DID. T_T Honestly, it was probably just because I had a shit day for LoL yesterday. Always lose games, never not lose games. Every first game I do with a new jungle champion basically everything goes horribly wrong. People don't leash, I die to their jungler at the second buff, miss a baron smite, etc. It is a curse. Haha, I think it's the same for everybody. First time I tried Vi, the enemy jungler was 3.8 Nunu (which I had never played against, since I had just picked up the game again at the time), when I finally got to level 2 he was already 6+ T.T
lul Nunu. I eat ur stuff hehehehehe.
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On September 19 2013 20:37 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:14 cLutZ wrote:
Who stopped playing Aatrox? Who stopped advocating him?
I want to say :p to everyone who poo-poo'd my "Manless + Sustain + Revive Passive can't be balanced" chants. You actually said Aatrox was crap at release.  Still said he was impossible to balance (but that's your #1 complaint most of the time so it's not hard) but you specifically said that he was badly designed because he was too binary, and that he was trash atm.
I said probably a little weak. But that was my Experience with him in a PBE environment that has about as much to do with pro play as, breakfast does.
Not to mention that since that point Jayce got killed, Kennen got tuned a bit, Elise got tuned pretty hard, Ryze got his range nerfs, they introduced League of Visage, removed bulwark, changed tower pushing, changed jungle spawns (again), and nerfed ZAC fairly heavily. Pretty sure saying something about the objective strength of a primarily top/jungle character then vs. now is meaningless.
Its like the people who were talking about Corki being awesome in January taking credit for it now.
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On September 19 2013 23:11 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 20:37 Alaric wrote:On September 19 2013 14:14 cLutZ wrote:
Who stopped playing Aatrox? Who stopped advocating him?
I want to say :p to everyone who poo-poo'd my "Manless + Sustain + Revive Passive can't be balanced" chants. You actually said Aatrox was crap at release. Still said he was impossible to balance (but that's your #1 complaint most of the time so it's not hard) but you specifically said that he was badly designed because he was too binary, and that he was trash atm. I said probably a little weak. But that was my Experience with him in a PBE environment that has about as much to do with pro play as, breakfast does.
Breakfast is the most important meal of the day. I bet SKT T1 eats an amazing breakfast every day and that's why they're so good at LoL.
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On September 19 2013 23:15 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 23:11 cLutZ wrote:On September 19 2013 20:37 Alaric wrote:On September 19 2013 14:14 cLutZ wrote:
Who stopped playing Aatrox? Who stopped advocating him?
I want to say :p to everyone who poo-poo'd my "Manless + Sustain + Revive Passive can't be balanced" chants. You actually said Aatrox was crap at release. Still said he was impossible to balance (but that's your #1 complaint most of the time so it's not hard) but you specifically said that he was badly designed because he was too binary, and that he was trash atm. I said probably a little weak. But that was my Experience with him in a PBE environment that has about as much to do with pro play as, breakfast does. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day. I bet SKT T1 eats an amazing breakfast every day and that's why they're so good at LoL. + Show Spoiler +
oof, right in the feels
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