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On September 19 2013 13:39 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 13:32 MattBarry wrote:On September 19 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 19 2013 12:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 19 2013 12:33 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 19 2013 12:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I...think I just discovered Lissandra... Adding her to your pool? Quite potentially. I couldn't figure her out the first few times I played her. But I was solo defending a tower against all 5 enemies, Singed flung me into the middle of them. They did not live very long. How many buffs has she gotten? Very few if any, as far as I know. I always found her early damage pretty lacklustre personally, though that might be more a factor of my inability to effectively farm/being in Silver. I've been told her damage is batshits but have never really experienced it. You should stream a game imo.... She is right there with Zed in terms of ease of farming. All of her abilities are great for farming and you shouldn't run out of mana once you get chalice Never get chalice on Lissandra. You shouldn't run out of mana once you have one dorans ring.
Guitar actually advocated Tear on her, something I'm not sure about but could potentially be interesting. She can possibly have mana issues in prolonged fights where she ends up spamming Q a lot. 100 mana per cast, even with her passive, can get pretty expensive, fast, so having a big pool to abuse it could potentially be good.
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I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though.
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On September 19 2013 12:53 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 12:00 InfSunday wrote:
It's funny thinking back to when people stopped playing Aatrox after he came out, and all the people who still did were like, "I don't know why everyone stopped, he's OP pro tier right now soon he'll be a regular pick in LCS" and now he is. Annoying, I hate his passive. xD
Also, promoted to silver 1. Woo! The top laner from GG.eu hates his passive too hue.
Colder than a Nunu ult, that.
(I'm tired and for some reason League metaphors are cracking me up right now... should get some sleep q.q)
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On September 19 2013 13:09 Parametric wrote:
Been starting to try out Varus mid (after going on a massive losing streak) and building him as an AD caster.
Skills
R>Q>E>W
Build has ended up being
Boots 2Pot Ward
Bruta + CDR boots
then varying order of (usually goes hex -> BF -> LW then finish BT)
Hexdrinker
LW
BT
Lastly
Zephyr to round out the end of the build. I haven't gotten farther than that in game although that's pretty much an end game build.
Can't be zoned from farming, my turret can't be pushed and diving on me when my ult is up ends poorly for the other team. If anyone feels like messing around and trying it for themselves so i can brainstorm with someone else it'd be cool.
Edit: The main draw is just sniping the crap out of everyone and being able to selfishly take blue at every opportunity.
I've always felt that he's better off going AP in mid. That stack burst is insane.
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On September 19 2013 14:00 koreasilver wrote:
I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though.
People have told me that Hydra is better with AD scaling and what not, but every game I went Hydra I got rolled and every game I went BotRK I was a murder machine.
But then again I'm just a gold scrub 
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On September 19 2013 14:05 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:00 koreasilver wrote:
I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though. People have told me that Hydra is better with AD scaling and what not, but every game I went Hydra I got rolled and every game I went BotRK I was a murder machine. But then again I'm just a gold scrub
Brag thread is that way, joik.
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Who stopped playing Aatrox? Who stopped advocating him?
I want to say :p to everyone who poo-poo'd my "Manless + Sustain + Revive Passive can't be balanced" chants.
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I personally never have mana problems as Liss and i dont get tear or chalice. i start flask follow up with 1~2 drings and never have mana issues
On September 19 2013 14:05 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:00 koreasilver wrote:
I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though. People have told me that Hydra is better with AD scaling and what not, but every game I went Hydra I got rolled and every game I went BotRK I was a murder machine. But then again I'm just a gold scrub
This is honestly how i feel about hydra in general on everyone cept maybe Lee Sin. I just don't think it's honestly that good, especially compared to Bork. I've never really seen anyone get Hydra and think, damn that item's doing work. It's also always been a meh item for me, as well. Whereas Bork is great for assassinating, chasing, fleeing, etc... I know that mathematically in a vacuum Hydra>Bork, but I just don't see the results translated to actual games.
On September 19 2013 14:14 cLutZ wrote:
Who stopped playing Aatrox? Who stopped advocating him?
I want to say :p to everyone who poo-poo'd my "Manless + Sustain + Revive Passive can't be balanced" chants.
Well Aatrox is basically a shittier version of pre-nerf Zac and now that Zac is out of the way Aatrox can shine.
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On September 19 2013 14:18 Ryuu314 wrote:I personally never have mana problems as Liss and i dont get tear or chalice. i start flask follow up with 1~2 drings and never have mana issues Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:05 Requizen wrote:On September 19 2013 14:00 koreasilver wrote:
I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though. People have told me that Hydra is better with AD scaling and what not, but every game I went Hydra I got rolled and every game I went BotRK I was a murder machine. But then again I'm just a gold scrub This is honestly how i feel about hydra in general on everyone cept maybe Lee Sin. I just don't think it's honestly that good, especially compared to Bork. I've never really seen anyone get Hydra and think, damn that item's doing work. It's also always been a meh item for me, as well. Whereas Bork is great for assassinating, chasing, fleeing, etc... I know that mathematically in a vacuum Hydra>Bork, but I just don't see the results translated to actual games. Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:14 cLutZ wrote:
Who stopped playing Aatrox? Who stopped advocating him?
I want to say :p to everyone who poo-poo'd my "Manless + Sustain + Revive Passive can't be balanced" chants. Well Aatrox is basically a shittier version of pre-nerf Zac and now that Zac is out of the way Aatrox can shine.
Eh, I this Aatrox's passive is a lot more egregious. The fact that you can just suicide tower dive at early game and then heal up with 0 chance of drawing tower aggro is particularly abusive. Meanwhile with Zac people and towers can stop you from coming back.
Also, build BotRK on Riven and I will laugh at you.
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On September 19 2013 14:05 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:00 koreasilver wrote:
I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though. But then again I'm just a gold scrub
Still doesn't feel right though when you say it. Work on the delivery.
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On September 19 2013 14:21 yawn wrote:Finally the InSec jungler fpvod! lee sin banned or picked by the other team in all 3 games though. korean solo queue pls.... part 1 (Renekton): + Show Spoiler +part 2 (Amumu): + Show Spoiler +part 3 (Graggy): + Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure I've 100% seen Insec jungle lee sin in this korean show thingamujigie in a past episode.
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On September 19 2013 14:23 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:18 Ryuu314 wrote:I personally never have mana problems as Liss and i dont get tear or chalice. i start flask follow up with 1~2 drings and never have mana issues On September 19 2013 14:05 Requizen wrote:On September 19 2013 14:00 koreasilver wrote:
I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though. People have told me that Hydra is better with AD scaling and what not, but every game I went Hydra I got rolled and every game I went BotRK I was a murder machine. But then again I'm just a gold scrub This is honestly how i feel about hydra in general on everyone cept maybe Lee Sin. I just don't think it's honestly that good, especially compared to Bork. I've never really seen anyone get Hydra and think, damn that item's doing work. It's also always been a meh item for me, as well. Whereas Bork is great for assassinating, chasing, fleeing, etc... I know that mathematically in a vacuum Hydra>Bork, but I just don't see the results translated to actual games. On September 19 2013 14:14 cLutZ wrote:
Who stopped playing Aatrox? Who stopped advocating him?
I want to say :p to everyone who poo-poo'd my "Manless + Sustain + Revive Passive can't be balanced" chants. Well Aatrox is basically a shittier version of pre-nerf Zac and now that Zac is out of the way Aatrox can shine. Eh, I this Aatrox's passive is a lot more egregious. The fact that you can just suicide tower dive at early game and then heal up with 0 chance of drawing tower aggro is particularly abusive. Meanwhile with Zac people and towers can stop you from coming back. Also, build BotRK on Riven and I will laugh at you.
Yea, Aatrox's passive is probably better.
I don't play Riven, but I think I'd probably prefer Cleaver over Hydra on Riven iunno. Hydra active doesn't proc Riven passive anymore yea?
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I think the argument that pre-nerf zac was a better aatrox is pretty hard to deny. Aatrox's passive is clearly better but there was really nothing else where zac couldn't do the same thing but more unfairly.
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On September 19 2013 13:49 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 13:39 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2013 13:32 MattBarry wrote:On September 19 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 19 2013 12:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 19 2013 12:33 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 19 2013 12:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I...think I just discovered Lissandra... Adding her to your pool? Quite potentially. I couldn't figure her out the first few times I played her. But I was solo defending a tower against all 5 enemies, Singed flung me into the middle of them. They did not live very long. How many buffs has she gotten? Very few if any, as far as I know. I always found her early damage pretty lacklustre personally, though that might be more a factor of my inability to effectively farm/being in Silver. I've been told her damage is batshits but have never really experienced it. You should stream a game imo.... She is right there with Zed in terms of ease of farming. All of her abilities are great for farming and you shouldn't run out of mana once you get chalice Never get chalice on Lissandra. You shouldn't run out of mana once you have one dorans ring. Guitar actually advocated Tear on her, something I'm not sure about but could potentially be interesting. She can possibly have mana issues in prolonged fights where she ends up spamming Q a lot. 100 mana per cast, even with her passive, can get pretty expensive, fast, so having a big pool to abuse it could potentially be good.
I don't like the idea of Tear on Lissandra, although to be fair I haven't tried it. But here's my logic on the matter.
#1 - The only skill she can spam to charge tear is Q, since W and E are both long cooldowns and you need to save them in case crazy things happen.
#2 - Spamming Q is how you go oom on Lissandra. Lissandras passive is ridiculous but you have to make use of it correctly. Because her passive recharges between minion waves, and because Q is your farming skill and your high mana skill, if you make your passive-proc a Q that hits all the enemy minions, you'll never go oom when farming even without mana items. If you're spamming Q to charge Tear you're going to end up using your passives on Q's that don't hit much, and you'll go oom even with the extra mana.
Basically the way you farm on her is you hit all the minions with a passive-Q that costs no mana, then walk into the wave and kill them all with W, which has a low mana cost and also drops your passive by 6 seconds because it just hit 6 things.
#3 - Lissandra does damage. Lissandra has the ability to really bully some lane opponents (like AHRI and ZED), but in order to be threatening you need to be building damage on her. That's why I go Dorans Ring > Haunting Guise. This makes me very strong at level 6-9 when I have like, Dorans, Sorc Shoes and an Amp Tome, which is when her damage is comparatively the highest. You get kills in lane when you're doing that, whereas if you do more passive items like I used to do on her, you end up playing very defensive because you don't have enough damage.
It'd be interesting to see a Tear build in bad matchups though, like against Leblanc or Syndra. I really haven't figured out what to do in those lanes yet.
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On September 19 2013 12:53 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 12:00 InfSunday wrote:
It's funny thinking back to when people stopped playing Aatrox after he came out, and all the people who still did were like, "I don't know why everyone stopped, he's OP pro tier right now soon he'll be a regular pick in LCS" and now he is. Annoying, I hate his passive. xD
Also, promoted to silver 1. Woo! The top laner from GG.eu hates his passive too hue.
People were too busy abusing Zac passive instead.
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On September 19 2013 14:05 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:00 koreasilver wrote:
I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though. People have told me that Hydra is better with AD scaling and what not, but every game I went Hydra I got rolled and every game I went BotRK I was a murder machine. But then again I'm just a gold scrub
I'm having a hard time seeing how hydra is better than botrk for Aatrox. The AS scales really well with Aatrox with his W, and combined with the active and ult range increase, it allows you to dish out a lot of damage with your W turned on. And if anything, botrk is more versatile.
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On September 19 2013 14:31 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 14:23 Gahlo wrote:On September 19 2013 14:18 Ryuu314 wrote:I personally never have mana problems as Liss and i dont get tear or chalice. i start flask follow up with 1~2 drings and never have mana issues On September 19 2013 14:05 Requizen wrote:On September 19 2013 14:00 koreasilver wrote:
I've been Aatrox a lot (literally every game I can when I go top) and while going straight tank sucks, I don't think he really needs any more offensive items other than botrk. I've been having a lot of success going either cutlass -> situational defensive in hard lanes or just straight up botrk -> situational defensive. I'm just a gold scrub though. People have told me that Hydra is better with AD scaling and what not, but every game I went Hydra I got rolled and every game I went BotRK I was a murder machine. But then again I'm just a gold scrub This is honestly how i feel about hydra in general on everyone cept maybe Lee Sin. I just don't think it's honestly that good, especially compared to Bork. I've never really seen anyone get Hydra and think, damn that item's doing work. It's also always been a meh item for me, as well. Whereas Bork is great for assassinating, chasing, fleeing, etc... I know that mathematically in a vacuum Hydra>Bork, but I just don't see the results translated to actual games. On September 19 2013 14:14 cLutZ wrote:
Who stopped playing Aatrox? Who stopped advocating him?
I want to say :p to everyone who poo-poo'd my "Manless + Sustain + Revive Passive can't be balanced" chants. Well Aatrox is basically a shittier version of pre-nerf Zac and now that Zac is out of the way Aatrox can shine. Eh, I this Aatrox's passive is a lot more egregious. The fact that you can just suicide tower dive at early game and then heal up with 0 chance of drawing tower aggro is particularly abusive. Meanwhile with Zac people and towers can stop you from coming back. Also, build BotRK on Riven and I will laugh at you. Yea, Aatrox's passive is probably better. I don't play Riven, but I think I'd probably prefer Cleaver over Hydra on Riven iunno. Hydra active doesn't proc Riven passive anymore yea?
It's not an issue of Cleaver vs Hydra, it's Hydra vs BT. Hydra works better for Riven's playstyle because she needs to burst people by midgame. BT just takes too many auto attacks to outpace hydra active.
In addition, it allows for safer backdooring by not needing to blow your escapes to push and opting out into LW against heavy armor stackers in lane.
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