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On August 26 2013 01:30 nafta wrote:
Probably based on player numbers.Also more fans of tsm/clg/crs/eg etc than of most kr/ch teams.
Probably, but does NA LCS viewership jump by a factor of 30-40% when TSM/CLG play compared to when C9 plays?
Because WE games consistently get like a 30-40% viewership jump over other teams playing in LPL.
On August 26 2013 01:38 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 01:36 TheYango wrote:
Personally, I think it's just Riot playing favorites for the big name NA teams to try and get one of them into Worlds.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that Riot does this over various things--for example changing the relegation format mid-season in a way that protects 1 more of the big name teams and favors teams already in LCS during relegation. To be fair, the same thing happens in most traditional sports. Take football for example, bigger and better 'regions' (England, Spain, Germany, Italy) get more (sponsor/television) money as well as more spots in the tournament. Ofcourse a lot of it is down to the results as well, but FIFA/UEFA especially are famous for favoring the favourites as much as they can in their tournament system(s) Personally I hate it (maybe because I am from and support one of the smaller nations in terms of club football), but it makes sense from a business perspective.
I'm laughing so hard right now at the idea of calling NA's extra slot "favoring the favorites".
That 3rd NA team has a high likelihood of placing dead last regardless of who it is. Whereas any 4th Korean team you'd get would be a contender for the title, given that it's basically impossible for KTB, Ozone, and T1 to all go at this point.
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I wonder why Tencent hasn't cried yet.
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On August 26 2013 01:41 -Zoda- wrote:
I wonder why Tencent hasn't cried yet.
Surprised tecent didn't just force Riot to give china 3 slots.
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Favourites there can be interpreted in terms of results as well as popularity in my example. While the 3rd team from NA is unlikely to be favoured over a lot of teams during Worlds, they are probably the absolute favourites in terms of amount of fans (assuming CLG/TSM takes it).
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I'm actually less salty about China not getting a 3rd slot because there's not really a stand-out 3rd team that would do well at Worlds in my opinion anyway. But it really sucks for Korea because there are clearly 3 teams that deserve to be at Worlds but due to Sword having leftover points one of those teams won't get to go.
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how are the top two chinese teams determined? is is a circuit point system like korea or top two of this season's LPL?
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On August 26 2013 01:43 TheYango wrote:
I'm actually less salty about China not getting a 3rd slot because there's not really a stand-out 3rd team that would do well at Worlds in my opinion anyway. But it really sucks for Korea because there are clearly 3 teams that deserve to be at Worlds but due to Sword having leftover points one of those teams won't get to go.
That's mainly due to the retarded format OGN chose to decide who goes to Worlds. Results from that long ago should never make you near-locked for Worlds imo. If KTB/Ozone/T1 would qualify I'd say the lineup is pretty fair across all regions (apart from the wildcard system which is flawed imo)
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What sucks for China more is the patch issue--LPL is still on 3.9 (there were Bulwarks and Lockets in last night's LPL games). They basically get shafted having never actually played 3.10a (or even 3.10) with 2 weeks left to go.
On August 26 2013 01:45 GTR wrote:
how are the top two chinese teams determined? is is a circuit point system like korea or top two of this season's LPL?
Top 2 of Spring LPL Round Robin + top 2 of Summer LPL Round Robin (not including the 2 from Spring) play a 4 team double elim bracket where top 2 go to Worlds (every match Bo3).
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Kind of a dumb question but why is China behind in game patches in all games?I tried googling but couldn't find anything >.>.
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On August 26 2013 01:46 Mikau wrote:
That's mainly due to the retarded format OGN chose to decide who goes to Worlds. Results from that long ago should never make you near-locked for Worlds imo. If KTB/Ozone/T1 would qualify I'd say the lineup is pretty fair across all regions (apart from the wildcard system which is flawed imo)
I don't agree because there's quite simply not a 3rd NA team that has proven that they deserve to go to Worlds.
C9 and Vulcun have stood out from the pack and deserve to go to worlds, with the potential to make NA proud. Just like Korea deserves to have KTB/Ozone/T1 go to Worlds, there's simply no 3rd NA team that deserves to go.
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On August 26 2013 01:26 Ketara wrote:How do they decide that NA gets 3 spots, EU 3, China/Korea 2, etc? Also, is South America really so bad they get absolutely nothing? 
6 West vs 6 East
+1 Wild Card
SA gets screwed because they don't have an organized league, most likely.
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On August 26 2013 01:55 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 01:46 Mikau wrote:
That's mainly due to the retarded format OGN chose to decide who goes to Worlds. Results from that long ago should never make you near-locked for Worlds imo. If KTB/Ozone/T1 would qualify I'd say the lineup is pretty fair across all regions (apart from the wildcard system which is flawed imo) I don't agree because there's quite simply not a 3rd NA team that has proven that they deserve to go to Worlds. C9 and Vulcun have stood out from the pack and deserve to go to worlds, with the potential to make NA proud. Just like Korea deserves to have KTB/Ozone/T1 go to Worlds, there's simply no 3rd NA team that deserves to go.
If you go by that metric you'd have to redo pretty much every qualification system in every sport. While it might be best for the tournament to just invite the 14 best teams across the world, (e-)sports just doesnt work that way.
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If you're doing it by regional divisions then technically NA deserves 1 less slot and EU 1 more because EU LCS is technically representing 2 server regions--Western Europe and Eastern Europe/CIS. It's just that the good teams in Eastern Europe don't play on a separate server/tournament due to Riot's utter failure in managing the EUW/EUNE server separation.
There's simply no metric by which you could intelligently say that giving NA a 3rd slot is the right choice (other than nepotism). If you're going by tournaments, then OGN and LPL should have the same number of qualifying slots as the LCS tournaments. If you're going by server regions, then EU deserves an extra slot and NA 1 less because they are *technically* representing 2 server regions. If you're doing it for PR bullshit of trying to keep a popular team in Worlds for viewer numbers, having WE not go to Worlds will probably lose way more viewers than not having CLG/TSM/Dig/etc.
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The easiest solution seems like it would just be to increase the number of teams that get to go
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Maybe, but they couldn't know WE wouldn't qualify for Worlds when they thought of this setup.
In fact, 'PR bullshit' explains the whole situation pretty well. This whole system screams "how can we maximize the number of fan favourite teams at Worlds without making the competition a complete farce". I'd say the current system finds a decent mix between 'PR bullshit' and getting the best teams there. You might or might not agree with that point of view (I personally don't, and you obviously don't either) but it does make sense from an organisational standpoint.
I don't even think it's as much of an issue as the setup of the wild card tournament or the lack of presence from the part of the world that isnt EU/NA/SEA/KOR.
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On August 26 2013 02:01 TheYango wrote:
If you're doing it by regional divisions then technically NA deserves 1 less slot and EU 1 more because EU LCS is technically representing 2 server regions--Western Europe and Eastern Europe/CIS. It's just that the good teams in Eastern Europe don't play on a separate server/tournament due to Riot's utter failure in managing the EUW/EUNE server separation.
There's simply no metric by which you could intelligently say that giving NA a 3rd slot is the right choice (other than nepotism). If you're going by tournaments, then OGN and LPL should have the same number of qualifying slots as the LCS tournaments. If you're going by server regions, then EU deserves an extra slot and NA 1 less because they are *technically* representing 2 server regions. If you're doing it for PR bullshit of trying to keep a popular team in Worlds for viewer numbers, having WE not go to Worlds will probably lose way more viewers than not having CLG/TSM/Dig/etc.
in all honesty if you look at the way riot advertises and handles the pro circuit, its far more of an entertainment or spectacle than a competition. Everything falls more into place when looked at through that eye rather than the eye of worlds as a legit competition to find the best in the world.
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On August 26 2013 01:42 wei2coolman wrote:Surprised tecent didn't just force Riot to give china 3 slots.
they're a holding company, they're not in the esports business so it doesn't concern them.
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Lets pretend for a moment that having CLG at worlds will draw more viewers than T1/WE/KTB, are these viewers who are supposedly only watching because their favorite team (CLG) is playing going to keep watching when their team gets knocked out of the tournament via blowout in every game?
tl;dr would this demo even be worth considering if it existed?(spoilers:it dosen't)
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Well the problem is not only the number of spots for each region but also the seeding, it doesn't make sense that the #1 NA/Garena goes directly to quarter finals but not the #1 EU. As for CLG/TSM/DIG they have players with huge ego which fans like so of course riot wants to protect them. Nobody cares about vulcun.
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On August 26 2013 02:17 Cubu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 01:42 wei2coolman wrote:On August 26 2013 01:41 -Zoda- wrote:
I wonder why Tencent hasn't cried yet. Surprised tecent didn't just force Riot to give china 3 slots. they're a holding company, they're not in the esports business so it doesn't concern them.
Tencent owns Riot Games. Tencent is a chinese company. Therefore Tencent would probably like more exposure for LoL in china.
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