[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 144

On August 07 2013 11:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
Dis Biscuit T_T

On August 07 2013 11:45 TheYango wrote:
TBH prior to LCS there might have been something of an argument about LoL viewers not being "eSports viewers", because LoL has this unique phenomenon of the streamer as an entertainer in his own right rather than as an educational/informative platform supplementary to a progamer's lifestyle. Most stream viewers in DotA or SC2 watch personal streams with with the intent to learn from a good player, which thus focuses viewership primarily on "named" players (hence Dendi's stream viewership making up such an overwhelming percentage of DotA stream numbers). But in LoL, the stream evolved into its own form of entertainment where you're watching someone you know who is not really all that good because of his scatterbrained antics when a typical LoL game goes bad. That's precisely why Hotshot made his name early on during LoL streaming, and why Phantomlord is the most viewed streamer on twitch right now.

I could see why someone might assume that viewers of the "stream as entertainment" are not actually e-sports viewers interested in the development of the competitive game, but LCS more or less dispelled this myth.

On August 07 2013 11:45 TheYango wrote:
TBH prior to LCS there might have been something of an argument about LoL viewers not being "eSports viewers", because LoL has this unique phenomenon of the streamer as an entertainer in his own right rather than as an educational/informative platform supplementary to a progamer's lifestyle. Most stream viewers in DotA or SC2 watch personal streams with with the intent to learn from a good player, which thus focuses viewership primarily on "named" players (hence Dendi's stream viewership making up such an overwhelming percentage of DotA stream numbers). But in LoL, the stream evolved into its own form of entertainment where you're watching someone you know who is not really all that good because of his scatterbrained antics when a typical LoL game goes bad. That's precisely why Hotshot made his name early on during LoL streaming, and why Phantomlord is the most viewed streamer on twitch right now.

I could see why someone might assume that viewers of the "stream as entertainment" are not actually e-sports viewers interested in the development of the competitive game, but LCS more or less dispelled this myth.

On August 07 2013 11:49 PrinceXizor wrote:

LoL still has a drastically lower Percentage viewer base for tournaments than SC2 or dota 2 though. I get the feeling riot wants it that way though. Its easier to profit off the ignorant.

On August 07 2013 11:49 PrinceXizor wrote:

LoL still has a drastically lower Percentage viewer base for tournaments than SC2 or dota 2 though. I get the feeling riot wants it that way though. Its easier to profit off the ignorant.

On August 07 2013 11:57 TheYango wrote:

This is true. LoL viewership is unquestionably more than DotA's, but probably not by a proportion that one would expect from the relative size of their userbases. DotA monthly active players was ~4 million as of last week, when LoL broke 32 million by October of last year and is probably 40+ million by now--but I don't think S3 WC will have 8x the concurrent viewership of TI3 (TI3 already broke 500k concurrent viewers in group stage and could be gunning for 1 million during the main event, and I highly doubt S3 WC is going to push into the 4-8 million viewer range).

On August 07 2013 11:58 UniversalSnip wrote:

If you're serious, can you break down exactly what you mean by those last two sentences? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the combination of them.

On August 07 2013 09:04 NotSorry wrote:

surprisingly doesn't effect me too much, due to years of practicing BW with broken wrists/hands

On August 07 2013 12:09 PrinceXizor wrote:

Its pretty cynical, but i have little respect for riot left.
essentially the more people that follow the pro scene, the more people will follow the pro scene. pros don't play new champs until after that champ has a free week. Pros also have a very limited champion pool (at least as of right now). If people are influence by pro players as we know they are, then riot stands to make less money off of people who don't know better, and who purchase RP to get the new champs before they see how they are played, and who purchase skins and stuff for things like darius/pre rework yi, who aren't common or used at all in pro play. Arguably, riot being financially accountable for the shambles of the pro meta would probably improve the pro scene quite a bit though.