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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On August 07 2013 10:38 MattBarry wrote: I hate the word hater, I really do. But in this situation, I think the only word to describe what totalbiscuit is, is a hater. Who cares what he thinks, he'll bash on LoL until he's dead and even then maybe still lolololol | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:16 TheLink wrote: People are retarded for buying champions/skins they like instead of those currently used in progames is what I took from Xizor's post. edit: oh, good Yango explanation.  I can't afford to think for myself. I need to watch voyboy play it before I make my decision. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:15 TheYango wrote: I'm not sure what's hard to understand. He's saying that players invested in how pros play the game are less likely to make impulse buys on champions because they're going to be concerned about how good a champion is rather than just RP-buying a new champ based on how it looks. Which mean less day 1 champion buys and less champion buys overall based on the competitive champion pool. Therefore, Riot isn't interested in building a userbase that's made up of a high percentage of people who follow pros that rabidly because those kinds of users are a smaller source of income than players who buy champions willy-nilly. I don't agree, but what Xizor is saying isn't that hard to understand. A smaller point on new champs is that free weeks for that champ are likely to come before pros play that champ, so those curious can try the champ then, and inevitably some will like the champ and some will dislike it. The people buying because they like the champ isn't improved by a higher percentage of viewers watching the pro scene, but the people disliking the champ only compound that. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
edit: Also you all should quiver at the thought of me possibly streaming tomorrow. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:15 Zdrastochye wrote: You still better eat a crow for saying League won't break 4m concurrent viewers, or mayhaps you'd like to wager some TL+ on it? I don't really want TL+, but to say I got it in a wager from Yango would give me serious nerd cred. I'm not going to make a bet like that before I know which 12 teams are going to Worlds, because the LoL playerbase can be quite fickle when it comes to their favorite teams, ESPECIALLY in China. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
How often do you Google or TL search yourself? Or do your fans do it for you? I've always wondered... On August 07 2013 12:21 TheYango wrote: I'm not going to make a bet like that before I know which 12 teams are going to Worlds, because the LoL playerbase can be quite fickle when it comes to their favorite teams, ESPECIALLY in China. Even doing that proves you a much smarter man than I. I concede the bet, on the grounds that you'd probably guess viewership within 18 viewers of the actual total. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:15 TheYango wrote: I'm not sure what's hard to understand. He's saying that players invested in how pros play the game are less likely to make impulse buys on champions because they're going to be concerned about how good a champion is rather than just RP-buying a new champ based on how it looks. Which mean less day 1 champion buys and less champion buys overall based on the competitive champion pool. Therefore, Riot isn't interested in building a userbase that's made up of a high percentage of people who follow pros that rabidly because those kinds of users are a smaller source of income than players who buy champions willy-nilly. I don't agree, but what Xizor is saying isn't that hard to understand. it just boggles my mind that xizor seriously thinks one of riot's objectives is not to get people to watch the lcs. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:22 Zdrastochye wrote: How often do you Google or TL search yourself? Or do your fans do it for you? I've always wondered... i know when I beat dyrus and posted on here yay i beat dyrus apparently a bunch of people told him lol | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
i missed this can someone link plz | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Also, LoL competitive scene is in a bit of a weird spot atm with NA and EU. A lot of the older teams like Gambit, EG, TSM, CLG, Dignitas, and Curse have huge fanbase followings. However, they aren't guaranteed to make worlds and I'd wager half those teams won't make it. If you think World's will pull the same viewership with Vulcan, Lemondogs, etc. you're insane. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:25 UniversalSnip wrote: it just boggles my mind that xizor seriously thinks one of riot's objectives is not to get people to watch the lcs. I don't think he believes THAT, but I think the idea is that Riot's probably not losing any sleep over the idea that "not enough of the playerbase watches LCS". | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:25 UniversalSnip wrote: it just boggles my mind that xizor seriously thinks one of riot's objectives is not to get people to watch the lcs. ?? They want people to watch LCS. they want the people who are more hardcore to focus on LCS and the pro scene rather than go to other games. Its a marketing tool. They don't want a large percentage of their playerbase watching the pro scene though, as that will lead to decrease in profits. I believe riot is completely content with a vast majority of the playerbase being casual players. this stance is reflected by a lot of riots actions over the past few years. They are content and happy with the hardcore fans watching LCS as much as possible however. the cynical view is that they do this intentionally to raise revenue, a non cynical view is what yango said above. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
"Hahaha, TL LoL thread is buttmad as hell. This is the best superpower" From his twitter. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
the fact that we have rivington in the commentators box, and earlier, our own daniel klein is kind of proof that they're not trying to contract viewership to the hardcore. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:29 PrinceXizor wrote: ?? They want people to watch LCS. they want the people who are more hardcore to focus on LCS and the pro scene rather than go to other games. Its a marketing tool. They don't want a large percentage of their playerbase watching the pro scene though, as that will lead to decrease in profits. I believe riot is completely content with a vast majority of the playerbase being casual players. this stance is reflected by a lot of riots actions over the past few years. They are content and happy with the hardcore fans watching LCS as much as possible however. I actually totally agree. I don't think I've ever fully agreed with PX before. USnip is really looking at it white/black, but it's more of a grey area. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:26 Itsmedudeman wrote: The one area Dota is uncontested and #1 in is the CIS region. The amount of dota players there is huge. With that said, it's not a region I'm particularly hyped about becoming big because I don't speak their language, they have a bad reputation, and their esports production is no where near the same as OGN. I would argue that this could simply be because Riot more or less hung the CIS playerbase out to dry with the EUW/EUNE split with "good" players coming back to play on EUW anyway. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:21 TheYango wrote: I'm not going to make a bet like that before I know which 12 teams are going to Worlds, because the LoL playerbase can be quite fickle when it comes to their favorite teams, ESPECIALLY in China. ATM, there's a good chance that only one of TSM CLG Dig and CRS make it to worlds. None of those 4 are likely to be able to take a series of C9, and I don't think vulcun is going to lose two Bo3's and not make it either. TSM or CLG not going would be a fairly large blow to viewership(mid 5 digits per team I think), and for China, if WE/IG don't make it, it's going to be another large hit(Into the 6 digit range is a defintie possibility). Not too familiar with EU, but it's so close that it really could go anywhere. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:30 Ghost-z wrote: Well TotalBiscuit is definitly lurking on our thread right now. "Hahaha, TL LoL thread is buttmad as hell. This is the best superpower" From his twitter. Only super power he has is tl searching his name every second. also px's point is mind boggling I've gotten plenty of fucking champions as impulse buys before any pros 'try to see if viable'. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 07 2013 12:31 Amui wrote: ATM, there's a good chance that only one of TSM CLG Dig and CRS make it to worlds. None of those 4 are likely to be able to take a series of C9, and I don't think vulcun is going to lose two Bo3's and not make it either. TSM or CLG not going would be a fairly large blow to viewership(mid 5 digits per team I think), and for China, if WE/IG don't make it, it's going to be another large hit(Into the 6 digit range is a defintie possibility). Not too familiar with EU, but it's so close that it really could go anywhere. All C9 needs to do is pick up Dlift, and have TSM be the 3rd team in behind Vulcun and C9 and then bam, you have most of the NA fans. | ||
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