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On August 07 2013 11:03 ticklishmusic wrote: As of right now, League has 65K viewers on Twitch. DOTA2 has 5K.
I'm expecting concurrent viewers for S3 finals to hit 2 million.
thats a super unfair comparison this week. the season finals start in 16 hours of course there aren't any good streams on.
not that LOL doesn't always crush them in viewers I'm just saying.
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On August 07 2013 11:03 ticklishmusic wrote: As of right now, League has 65K viewers on Twitch. DOTA2 has 5K.
I'm expecting concurrent viewers for S3 finals to hit 2 million. Ok, come on, right now is a really shitty time to be doing that comparison because all the major teams are in Seattle and none of the major streamers are even streaming right now.
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i go swimming, i never broke a bone in my entire life.
Also, comparing the dota 2 main event with LCS viewership is silly. We will talk after worlds.
also, 8 hours till ogn summer quarter finals. <3
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On August 07 2013 10:34 Lysteria wrote: LoL having its World Championships after Dota is a big advantage, once the hype of the finals is done, Dota will not have a major event to oppose LoL. It was actually completely disastrous last year, but that's because Riot's initial handling of World's was completely idiotic and inept and everyone who watched both events had a laundry-list of things Valve had done better, irrespective of any bias toward either game. On what was apparently a larger budget and more tournament-running experience, Riot managed to produce a drastically inferior tournament.
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On August 07 2013 11:31 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 10:34 Lysteria wrote: LoL having its World Championships after Dota is a big advantage, once the hype of the finals is done, Dota will not have a major event to oppose LoL. It was actually completely disastrous last year, but that's because RIot's initial handling of World's was completely idiotic and inept and everyone who watched both events had a laundry-list of things Valve had done better, irrespective of any bias toward either game. On what was apparently a larger budget and more tournament-running experience, Riot managed to produce a drastically inferior tournament.
But at least we got the emergence one of LoL's first villains - Woong.
Yeah TI2 was better than S2 finals by many metrics though the actual presentation of the final game between TPA and Frost was very good. The group stage? Not so much.
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Talking about DotA/LoL viewership numbers like this is literally dumber than the syrup/sauce argument we had today.
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On August 07 2013 11:31 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 10:34 Lysteria wrote: LoL having its World Championships after Dota is a big advantage, once the hype of the finals is done, Dota will not have a major event to oppose LoL. It was actually completely disastrous last year, but that's because RIot's initial handling of World's was completely idiotic and inept and everyone who watched both events had a laundry-list of things Valve had done better, irrespective of any bias toward either game. On what was apparently a larger budget and more tournament-running experience, Riot managed to produce a drastically inferior tournament. Yeah, the whole outside venue and connections issues really made the Season 2 finals look pretty bad at times. They brought it back with the actual finals though. But if the All-Stars event proved anything it's that Riot can put on an event of massive magnitude without issue
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On August 07 2013 11:34 Amethyst21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 11:31 TheYango wrote:On August 07 2013 10:34 Lysteria wrote: LoL having its World Championships after Dota is a big advantage, once the hype of the finals is done, Dota will not have a major event to oppose LoL. It was actually completely disastrous last year, but that's because RIot's initial handling of World's was completely idiotic and inept and everyone who watched both events had a laundry-list of things Valve had done better, irrespective of any bias toward either game. On what was apparently a larger budget and more tournament-running experience, Riot managed to produce a drastically inferior tournament. But at least we got the emergence one of LoL's first villains - Woong. Yeah TI2 was better than S2 finals by many metrics though the actual presentation of the final game between TPA and Frost was very good. The group stage? Not so much. TPA v Frost was roughly equivalent to TI2's finals. but riot also had significantly more money and more time to accomplish roughly equivalent events. add to that the fact that the viewership has almost completely paid for TI3 this year. its not a production war riot can win at the rate its going. I can't imagine anyone but the most dire of fans having complete trust in riot after everything they've done since season 1.
On August 07 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: But if the All-Stars event proved anything it's that Riot can put on an event of massive magnitude without issue apart from the cancelled closing ceremony and the fact that tencent took care of most of it instead of riot themselves. yeah
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On August 07 2013 11:35 Seuss wrote: Talking about DotA/LoL viewership numbers like this is literally dumber than the syrup/sauce argument we had today.
I thought the chocolate syrup vs chocolate sauce question was quite poignant.
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On August 07 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: Yeah, the whole outside venue and connections issues really made the Season 2 finals look pretty bad at times. They brought it back with the actual finals though. But if the All-Stars event proved anything it's that Riot can put on an event of massive magnitude without issue Correction: when Riot hands off its production to its foreign counterparts who have experience running events they won't screw it up for Riot.
Still up in the air how Riot's going to manage the event when they're doing things for themselves in LA and not Tencent managing things in Shanghai. I'd honestly feel most comfortable about the event if it was Korea and OGN was doing the production in Riot's name.
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On August 07 2013 11:37 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 11:34 Amethyst21 wrote:On August 07 2013 11:31 TheYango wrote:On August 07 2013 10:34 Lysteria wrote: LoL having its World Championships after Dota is a big advantage, once the hype of the finals is done, Dota will not have a major event to oppose LoL. It was actually completely disastrous last year, but that's because RIot's initial handling of World's was completely idiotic and inept and everyone who watched both events had a laundry-list of things Valve had done better, irrespective of any bias toward either game. On what was apparently a larger budget and more tournament-running experience, Riot managed to produce a drastically inferior tournament. But at least we got the emergence one of LoL's first villains - Woong. Yeah TI2 was better than S2 finals by many metrics though the actual presentation of the final game between TPA and Frost was very good. The group stage? Not so much. TPA v Frost was roughly equivalent to TI2's finals. but riot also had significantly more money and more time to accomplish roughly equivalent events. add to that the fact that the viewership has almost completely paid for TI3 this year. its not a production war riot can win at the rate its going. I can't imagine anyone but the most dire of fans having complete trust in riot after everything they've done since season 1. Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: But if the All-Stars event proved anything it's that Riot can put on an event of massive magnitude without issue apart from the cancelled closing ceremony and the fact that tencent took care of most of it instead of riot themselves. yeah *almost without issue
I still have faith in Riot :p
Edit: I guess we'll see in a couple months. Sorry for my ignorance about Riot not running it.
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On August 07 2013 11:37 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 11:34 Amethyst21 wrote:On August 07 2013 11:31 TheYango wrote:On August 07 2013 10:34 Lysteria wrote: LoL having its World Championships after Dota is a big advantage, once the hype of the finals is done, Dota will not have a major event to oppose LoL. It was actually completely disastrous last year, but that's because RIot's initial handling of World's was completely idiotic and inept and everyone who watched both events had a laundry-list of things Valve had done better, irrespective of any bias toward either game. On what was apparently a larger budget and more tournament-running experience, Riot managed to produce a drastically inferior tournament. But at least we got the emergence one of LoL's first villains - Woong. Yeah TI2 was better than S2 finals by many metrics though the actual presentation of the final game between TPA and Frost was very good. The group stage? Not so much. TPA v Frost was roughly equivalent to TI2's finals. but riot also had significantly more money and more time to accomplish roughly equivalent events. add to that the fact that the viewership has almost completely paid for TI3 this year. its not a production war riot can win at the rate its going. I can't imagine anyone but the most dire of fans having complete trust in riot after everything they've done since season 1. Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: But if the All-Stars event proved anything it's that Riot can put on an event of massive magnitude without issue apart from the cancelled closing ceremony and the fact that tencent took care of most of it instead of riot themselves. yeah Ehh, considering what All-Stars garnered, I'm pretty confident Worlds is going to make bank pretty easily.
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On August 07 2013 11:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Ehh, considering what All-Stars garnered, I'm pretty confident Worlds is going to make bank pretty easily. get viewers? yeah. Riot could hype up for a whole year a CLG vs Riot showmatch and get a ton of viewers. they have a far larger (rather rabid) fanbase than most people so they have more people to pull from.
even though the resulting game would be so unwatchably terrible.
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TBH prior to LCS there might have been something of an argument about LoL viewers not being "eSports viewers", because LoL has this unique phenomenon of the streamer as an entertainer in his own right rather than as an educational/informative platform supplementary to a progamer's lifestyle. Most stream viewers in DotA or SC2 watch personal streams with with the intent to learn from a good player, which thus focuses viewership primarily on "named" players (hence Dendi's stream viewership making up such an overwhelming percentage of DotA stream numbers). But in LoL, the stream evolved into its own form of entertainment where you're watching someone you know who is not really all that good because of his scatterbrained antics when a typical LoL game goes bad. That's precisely why Hotshot made his name early on during LoL streaming, and why Phantomlord is the most viewed streamer on twitch right now.
I could see why someone might assume that viewers of the "stream as entertainment" are not actually e-sports viewers interested in the development of the competitive game, but LCS more or less dispelled this myth.
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I'm just watching inspiring Youtube videos with my client open, when all of the sudden I see Gahlo
"You should play Deep-Sea Thresh so you can fillet them."
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Never die, fish puns
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On August 07 2013 11:10 wei2coolman wrote:"Oh no. I'm getting shit for my shitty opinion. I know, I'll pass it off as a troll! " + Show Spoiler +
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On August 07 2013 11:45 TheYango wrote: TBH prior to LCS there might have been something of an argument about LoL viewers not being "eSports viewers", because LoL has this unique phenomenon of the streamer as an entertainer in his own right rather than as an educational/informative platform supplementary to a progamer's lifestyle. Most stream viewers in DotA or SC2 watch personal streams with with the intent to learn from a good player, which thus focuses viewership primarily on "named" players (hence Dendi's stream viewership making up such an overwhelming percentage of DotA stream numbers). But in LoL, the stream evolved into its own form of entertainment where you're watching someone you know who is not really all that good because of his scatterbrained antics when a typical LoL game goes bad. That's precisely why Hotshot made his name early on during LoL streaming, and why Phantomlord is the most viewed streamer on twitch right now.
I could see why someone might assume that viewers of the "stream as entertainment" are not actually e-sports viewers interested in the development of the competitive game, but LCS more or less dispelled this myth. LoL still has a drastically lower Percentage viewer base for tournaments than SC2 or dota 2 though. I get the feeling riot wants it that way though. Its easier to profit off the ignorant.
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On August 07 2013 11:06 onlywonderboy wrote:Dis Biscuit T_T
And that's why I hate trying to debate anything on the internet. If you feel like you're suddenly losing you can just say "Oh it was just an attempt at trolling, haha you fell for it!!!!"
Not saying that's what he did. It just reminded me of most people who actually do that.
Also I'm kinda ashamed to say it, but everytime I duo queue with a friend, and I want him to flay someone, I say "What she order?" + Show Spoiler +
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Was playing Pokemon TCG Online and saw a situation I could not pass up.
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