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On July 13 2013 05:05 forscher wrote:
So since Kog was mentioned in relation to building champs as AD due to range/steroids, that reminds me of something I've wondered about recently - why did AP Kog disappear? I remember seeing him quite a lot in tourneys, maybe a year ago or a bit longer, and it seemed like he's absurd post-6 once he has some damage and mana pool/regen. Do people still play AP Kog?
Because you use your R 3 times, and you're out of mana, even through tear/chalice.
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^^ I didn't realize his mana costs were that prohibitive. Maybe just ignore this post then.
On July 13 2013 05:08 Ketara wrote:
Feels like if the jungler camps him he gets destroyed and does nothing, and if people ignore him and let him farm then late game he's real scary.
Kind of like AD Kog, really.
His laning (solo) is really awful and he can't roam and make some kind of mid game impact like a lot of current mid laners. His late game is still terrifying though
OK so it seems to me like he isn't a great duelist, has no escape or real CC and is squishy so he gets blown up easily if he gets ganked. But what is it that makes his laning so awful? I'm not trying to argue or being a smartass, I genuinely just want to understand. I'm very inexperienced/not knowledgeable about this game. Excuse me if I'm just being dumb.
For example, what makes his laning much worse than someone like Ryze, who has no mobility and seems kinda easy to gank early but becomes really powerful late game? And what makes his roaming capacity worse than someone like Ryze? They both lack mobility and have a not-that-great CC. Yet Ryze is picked all the time.
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Couple pages back; it's super cool.
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His waveclear is fine. And Laning is fine. I think his problem is he needs too many items to get going.
Ryze is basically Tear + Catalyst = Relevant, Tear + ROA = Getting strong, Tear + Stacked ROA + 1 = Monster.
AP Kog is Tear + 2nd Mana Item + Rylias = Relevant.
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On July 13 2013 05:36 AsmodeusXI wrote:Couple pages back; it's super cool.
i would be interested in how they proved(sp?) that LoL is a sport.
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On July 13 2013 05:44 LaNague wrote:i would be interested in how they proved(sp?) that LoL is a sport.
The amazing structure that Riot has assembled seems to have met the qualifications required for P-1A visas...I assume previously all players had to use H-2B visas (business visitor).
The multiple seasons of structured leagues, salaried athletes, and international recognition (Staples Center!) likely meant that it was an elephant becoming too large for the government to brush aside.
+ Show Spoiler +P-1A Internationally Recognized Athlete
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On July 13 2013 06:17 remedium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:44 LaNague wrote:On July 13 2013 05:36 AsmodeusXI wrote:Couple pages back; it's super cool. i would be interested in how they proved(sp?) that LoL is a sport. The amazing structure that Riot has assembled seems to have met the qualifications required for P-1A visas...I assume previously all players had to use H-2B visas (business visitor). The multiple seasons of structured leagues, salaried athletes, and international recognition (Staples Center!) likely meant that it was an elephant becoming too large for the government to brush aside. + Show Spoiler +P-1A Internationally Recognized Athlete
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I eagerly await a LoL-related "Elephant in the Room" write-up 
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On July 13 2013 06:25 Flakes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 06:17 remedium wrote:On July 13 2013 05:44 LaNague wrote:On July 13 2013 05:36 AsmodeusXI wrote:Couple pages back; it's super cool. i would be interested in how they proved(sp?) that LoL is a sport. The amazing structure that Riot has assembled seems to have met the qualifications required for P-1A visas...I assume previously all players had to use H-2B visas (business visitor). The multiple seasons of structured leagues, salaried athletes, and international recognition (Staples Center!) likely meant that it was an elephant becoming too large for the government to brush aside. + Show Spoiler +P-1A Internationally Recognized Athlete
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You must be coming to the United States to participate in individual event, competition or performance in which you are internationally recognized with a high level of achievement; evidenced by a degree of skill and recognition substantially above that ordinarily encountered so that the achievement is renowned, leading or well known in more than one country.
Athletic Teams Eligibility Criteria
You must be coming to the United States to participate in team events and must have achieved significant international recognition in the sport. The event in which your team is participating must be distinguished and require the participation of athletic teams of international recognition. edit to add: P-1 is valid for five or 10 years, I believe. I eagerly await a LoL-related "Elephant in the Room" write-up
I don't.
I heard Riot is planning on nerfing Vayne. I for one am in favor of this. Thoughts?
I feel like Vayne is too strong in lane these days, probably a factor of every other ADC getting nerfed. She's still ridiculous late game but too often do I see Vaynes dominating bot even before level 6.
She's also apparently really strong top lane, which is dumb.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On July 13 2013 06:27 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 06:25 Flakes wrote:On July 13 2013 06:17 remedium wrote:On July 13 2013 05:44 LaNague wrote:On July 13 2013 05:36 AsmodeusXI wrote:Couple pages back; it's super cool. i would be interested in how they proved(sp?) that LoL is a sport. The amazing structure that Riot has assembled seems to have met the qualifications required for P-1A visas...I assume previously all players had to use H-2B visas (business visitor). The multiple seasons of structured leagues, salaried athletes, and international recognition (Staples Center!) likely meant that it was an elephant becoming too large for the government to brush aside. + Show Spoiler +P-1A Internationally Recognized Athlete
The P-1 classification applies to you if you are coming to the U.S. temporarily to perform at a specific athletic competition as an athlete, individually or as part of a group or team, at an internationally recognized level of performance.
Individual Athletes Eligibility Criteria
You must be coming to the United States to participate in individual event, competition or performance in which you are internationally recognized with a high level of achievement; evidenced by a degree of skill and recognition substantially above that ordinarily encountered so that the achievement is renowned, leading or well known in more than one country.
Athletic Teams Eligibility Criteria
You must be coming to the United States to participate in team events and must have achieved significant international recognition in the sport. The event in which your team is participating must be distinguished and require the participation of athletic teams of international recognition. edit to add: P-1 is valid for five or 10 years, I believe. I eagerly await a LoL-related "Elephant in the Room" write-up I don't. I heard Riot is planning on nerfing Vayne. I for one am in favor of this. Thoughts? I feel like Vayne is too strong in lane these days, probably a factor of every other ADC getting nerfed. She's still ridiculous late game but too often do I see Vaynes dominating bot even before level 6. She's also apparently really strong top lane, which is dumb.
Not sure as to how one would go about nerfing her though, perhaps some of the stats on tumble? Make it weaker early but the same strength at lvl 5 as before?
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On July 13 2013 06:31 3 Lions wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 06:27 Ketara wrote:On July 13 2013 06:25 Flakes wrote:On July 13 2013 06:17 remedium wrote:On July 13 2013 05:44 LaNague wrote:On July 13 2013 05:36 AsmodeusXI wrote:Couple pages back; it's super cool. i would be interested in how they proved(sp?) that LoL is a sport. The amazing structure that Riot has assembled seems to have met the qualifications required for P-1A visas...I assume previously all players had to use H-2B visas (business visitor). The multiple seasons of structured leagues, salaried athletes, and international recognition (Staples Center!) likely meant that it was an elephant becoming too large for the government to brush aside. + Show Spoiler +P-1A Internationally Recognized Athlete
The P-1 classification applies to you if you are coming to the U.S. temporarily to perform at a specific athletic competition as an athlete, individually or as part of a group or team, at an internationally recognized level of performance.
Individual Athletes Eligibility Criteria
You must be coming to the United States to participate in individual event, competition or performance in which you are internationally recognized with a high level of achievement; evidenced by a degree of skill and recognition substantially above that ordinarily encountered so that the achievement is renowned, leading or well known in more than one country.
Athletic Teams Eligibility Criteria
You must be coming to the United States to participate in team events and must have achieved significant international recognition in the sport. The event in which your team is participating must be distinguished and require the participation of athletic teams of international recognition. edit to add: P-1 is valid for five or 10 years, I believe. I eagerly await a LoL-related "Elephant in the Room" write-up I don't. I heard Riot is planning on nerfing Vayne. I for one am in favor of this. Thoughts? I feel like Vayne is too strong in lane these days, probably a factor of every other ADC getting nerfed. She's still ridiculous late game but too often do I see Vaynes dominating bot even before level 6. She's also apparently really strong top lane, which is dumb. Not sure as to how one would go about nerfing her though, perhaps some of the stats on tumble? Make it weaker early but the same strength at lvl 5 as before?
Reduce the knockback range on condemn would be pretty good for nerfing imo
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On July 13 2013 06:27 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 06:25 Flakes wrote:On July 13 2013 06:17 remedium wrote:On July 13 2013 05:44 LaNague wrote:On July 13 2013 05:36 AsmodeusXI wrote:Couple pages back; it's super cool. i would be interested in how they proved(sp?) that LoL is a sport. The amazing structure that Riot has assembled seems to have met the qualifications required for P-1A visas...I assume previously all players had to use H-2B visas (business visitor). The multiple seasons of structured leagues, salaried athletes, and international recognition (Staples Center!) likely meant that it was an elephant becoming too large for the government to brush aside. + Show Spoiler +P-1A Internationally Recognized Athlete
The P-1 classification applies to you if you are coming to the U.S. temporarily to perform at a specific athletic competition as an athlete, individually or as part of a group or team, at an internationally recognized level of performance.
Individual Athletes Eligibility Criteria
You must be coming to the United States to participate in individual event, competition or performance in which you are internationally recognized with a high level of achievement; evidenced by a degree of skill and recognition substantially above that ordinarily encountered so that the achievement is renowned, leading or well known in more than one country.
Athletic Teams Eligibility Criteria
You must be coming to the United States to participate in team events and must have achieved significant international recognition in the sport. The event in which your team is participating must be distinguished and require the participation of athletic teams of international recognition. edit to add: P-1 is valid for five or 10 years, I believe. I eagerly await a LoL-related "Elephant in the Room" write-up I don't. I heard Riot is planning on nerfing Vayne. I for one am in favor of this. Thoughts? I feel like Vayne is too strong in lane these days, probably a factor of every other ADC getting nerfed. She's still ridiculous late game but too often do I see Vaynes dominating bot even before level 6. She's also apparently really strong top lane, which is dumb.
Where did you hear this? I didn't see anything about this recently.
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They shouldn't nerf Vayne, cus Vayne is fun to play, fun to watch, decently hard, and not ridiculously op.
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I cringe every time I have to support a Vayne. She's the character that everyone wants to play but everyone sucks at playing.
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I've come to realization recently. It's a lot easier to see how elitist starcraft players are when you're not for their game and they bash another. During the BW ->SC2 transition i was totally for BW and couldn't understand how people could enjoy a game like SC2. Now, we see an ongoing (and also personally, really annoying) similar "elitist" sentiment among the sc2 and dota community towards league. Now honestly, my memory is a bit hazy during BW -> SC2 but is it just me or are people even snobbier than before?
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On July 13 2013 07:06 wussleeQ wrote:
I've come to realization recently. It's a lot easier to see how elitist starcraft players are when you're not for their game and they bash another. During the BW ->SC2 transition i was totally for BW and couldn't understand how people could enjoy a game like SC2. Now, we see an ongoing (and also personally, really annoying) similar "elitist" sentiment among the sc2 and dota community towards league. Now honestly, my memory is a bit hazy during BW -> SC2 but is it just me or are people even snobbier than before?
I'm surprised you only realized this now.
The irony is thick.
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BW was a pretty tiny community compared to SC2/Dota in Western sphere. I don't think people are "snobbier" there's just more people so you are more likely to get more of the extremes. It's also a lot easier to see the bigger picture when looking from the outside.
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On July 13 2013 07:07 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 07:06 wussleeQ wrote:
I've come to realization recently. It's a lot easier to see how elitist starcraft players are when you're not for their game and they bash another. During the BW ->SC2 transition i was totally for BW and couldn't understand how people could enjoy a game like SC2. Now, we see an ongoing (and also personally, really annoying) similar "elitist" sentiment among the sc2 and dota community towards league. Now honestly, my memory is a bit hazy during BW -> SC2 but is it just me or are people even snobbier than before? I'm surprised you only realized this now. The irony is thick.
I usually tend to avoid any other place asides from LoL, the Tech support and funny pics threads.
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On July 13 2013 05:05 forscher wrote:
So since Kog was mentioned in relation to building champs as AD due to range/steroids, that reminds me of something I've wondered about recently - why did AP Kog disappear? I remember seeing him quite a lot in tourneys, maybe a year ago or a bit longer, and it seemed like he's absurd post-6 once he has some damage and mana pool/regen. Do people still play AP Kog?
He's hard to position with, and he still runs out of mana with cata+tear+chalice+blue. I find him to run in normals though. You kill the adc in 2-3 ults late game and there's barely shit they can do about it. So fun
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On July 13 2013 07:31 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:05 forscher wrote:
So since Kog was mentioned in relation to building champs as AD due to range/steroids, that reminds me of something I've wondered about recently - why did AP Kog disappear? I remember seeing him quite a lot in tourneys, maybe a year ago or a bit longer, and it seemed like he's absurd post-6 once he has some damage and mana pool/regen. Do people still play AP Kog? He's hard to position with, and he still runs out of mana with cata+tear+chalice+blue. I find him to run in normals though. You kill the adc in 2-3 ults late game and there's barely shit they can do about it. So fun
3 Consecutive nerfs also kinda did some damage. Slow on E went down by 8%, Ulti lost 20-40 damage and the biggest one of all, additional stack costs increased to 10 stacks with the shots costing you 400 per shot from 200. You were still able to spam ultis without going oom so fast when they capped at 200. also, he's really shaky during early game till his ult gains enough range.
But he's pretty awesome once he gets rolling. Those 10+%hp per autos are pretty funny
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