[Patch 3.09: Spirit Guard Udyr Patch] General Discussion -…

On July 26 2013 02:36 Requizen wrote:
Screw it yolo tired queue sounds like fun

On July 26 2013 02:36 onlywonderboy wrote:

Ha, this is the first step to you uninstalling again.

On July 26 2013 02:32 Alaric wrote:
Recent game was Lee, Nautilus (me jungling), Ahri, Draven, Nami. Opposing team had Elise (jungle), Vayne, Anivia, Malphite, Taric.
I was able to walk in without taking much damage, ulting half their team to get Vayne, then sit on top of her (once passive + E were spent I couldn't compete with Tumble obviously), she usually didn't do much until I was around half HP and most of their team turned on me, however we always lost the fights.

Nami wasn't good is one thing (I used my hard cc to get Vayne out, so it was up to the others to interrupt Anivia's ult, and Nami had the best spell for that), but it mostly came from the teamcomps. Lee, Ahri are skill-shot reliants champions so the simple presence of Elise and her free sponges was enough to cripple their viable angles of approach. We also had shit dps (Naut sucks, esp. since they gutted his shield by 25% of its damage, Ahri is mediocre once her ult is spent) with Draven being trashed on by Malph (no AS, and MS slow so he can't get his axes).

Draft went:
Elise - Ahri Nautilus - Anivia Vayne - Lee Sin Draven - Malphite Taric - Nami
Draven because they had Vayne, despite him being less dominant, and more importantly after Anivia despite him lacking mobility and slows hurting his ability to deal sustained damage by catching axes. Also low range making sieging towers hard. Lee Sin was a mediocre pick too considering the Elise (could go top or mid, spiderlings to reduce his damage in lane or tank his Qs during sieges/fights) and our already debatable scaling with Ahri+Naut (Lee+Draven was just part of the combo).
Then they picked Malphite to shit all over Draven in fights and have their initiations (apart from a cocoon). Nami-Draven should have been the superior lane to Vayne-Taric, however between Nami being bad and a few screw-ups from my part, we ended up trading kills several times, which favoured Vayne (also too slow, allowed Elise to clean-up several times).

Since we couldn't kill towers easily (Lee didn't roam much despite crushing Malph so we relied on Draven who's one, if not the, worst ADs to kill them) and Anivia is a pretty retarded champion, we weren't able to leverage a midgame lead to snowball, nor to force them to fight on our terms in open grounds to nullify Malphite's and Anivia's zone control.

Doesn't matter our initiation or my ability to stick to Vayne, with such a draft we were pretty boned from the start. So it's not always the players.
They took Elise first, then Ahri and Naut for us, followed by Vayne and Anivia for them, and L

On July 26 2013 02:36 Slayer91 wrote:
you're really blaming teamcomp on a loss?

if you cant siege well you can always just bait baron and dragon

going on vayne as naut seems like a terrible idea, you should probably focus on anivia or just hook a tank and get an easy charm because anivia vayne cant exactly go in and chase

On July 26 2013 02:41 wei2coolman wrote:

The biggest part of setting up laning for IH's is that it cuts out a lot of inefficient usage of time. If I want to improve my laning phase, I don't really want to spend an extra 20 min in a solo queue game when it's not laning phase.

On July 26 2013 02:41 wei2coolman wrote:

The biggest part of setting up laning for IH's is that it cuts out a lot of inefficient usage of time. If I want to improve my laning phase, I don't really want to spend an extra 20 min in a solo queue game when it's not laning phase.

On July 26 2013 02:48 onlywonderboy wrote:

Yeah, I'd like to just do some 1v1 against better players, my laning is pretty suspect as well. Well my whole game is suspect but that's besides the point ha.

On July 26 2013 02:55 TheYango wrote:
Or just arrange one-on-ones between players who want to teach and players who want to learn.

I probably don't need to tell everyone how successful Navi's mini-lessons were because there are probably enough people here who benefited from them that still remember. Obviously not everyone will teach that well, but that's the sort of thing to strive for.

On July 26 2013 02:56 onlywonderboy wrote:

brb going to go beg Navi for lessons.

On July 26 2013 02:41 Clinic wrote:


i'm not sure if this sort of analysis is productive, because although teamcomps do influence the game, they usually matter much less in soloq than just getting a big lead early game, especially from the perspective of a jungler with strong ganks.

if there weren't any troll picks, don't give other players' champion picks and teamfight matchups too much weight - this easily leads to teammate blaming, which isn't productive. look at what could have been done during the laning phase on your part instead, such as keeping better track of summoner cooldowns to gank and using wards to watch roams and set up counterganks

On July 26 2013 02:57 kainzero wrote:

It is productive because you could've chosen a better character. You can't control what others pick, but you can control what you pick.

Even more so, it's much easier to play AoE in solo Q than one with many single target stuns. Single-target pick comps are very reliant on having a strong early-mid game before the enemy can group up and have dominant teamfight, a problem that is very well exacerbated in solo.

On July 26 2013 02:57 TheYango wrote:
He doesn't come back to the US for like another week and a half, so good luck getting a lesson on awful hours playing games at 2500 ping.

On July 26 2013 02:55 TheYango wrote:
Or just arrange one-on-ones between players who want to teach and players who want to learn.

I probably don't need to tell everyone how successful Navi's mini-lessons were because there are probably enough people here who benefited from them that still remember. Obviously not everyone will teach that well, but that's the sort of thing to strive for.

On July 26 2013 03:08 Ketara wrote:
I've found that while you're doing those 1v1's, which while they are EXTREMELY helpful, they aren't quite as good as a real game because you end up doing things you wouldn't do in real games through knowledge that there's no jungler waiting in the wings.