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On July 05 2013 17:33 Khai wrote:
T_T I was hoping for good news with SC2... This isn't bad news but indirectly indicates Kespa moving away from SC2 =S
On the plus we may see LGIM and MVP join SPL.
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On July 05 2013 17:45 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 17:33 Khai wrote:
T_T I was hoping for good news with SC2... This isn't bad news but indirectly indicates Kespa moving away from SC2 =S On the plus we may see LGIM and MVP join SPL.
If we have STX dying, AZUBU, ST, MVP, LG-IM and FXO joining we have a 12 team Proleague again. pretty cool. Prime and NSH to be absorbed. AxAcer to claim ownership over WCS AM.
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On July 05 2013 18:57 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 17:45 Targe wrote:On July 05 2013 17:33 Khai wrote:
T_T I was hoping for good news with SC2... This isn't bad news but indirectly indicates Kespa moving away from SC2 =S On the plus we may see LGIM and MVP join SPL. If we have STX dying, AZUBU, ST, MVP, LG-IM and FXO joining we have a 12 team Proleague again. pretty cool. Prime and NSH to be absorbed. AxAcer to claim ownership over WCS AM.
We can dream huh ?
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On July 05 2013 06:46 Lmui wrote:I'm somewhat surprised by the amount of people that think LoL doesn't have that many dedicated viewers. theOddOne and Voyboy consistently hit 30k+ viewers just streaming, LCS regularly breaks 150k viewers for a weekly four game show and that spikes up much higher for large tournaments. The OGN spring finals had ~900k IIRC across livestreams, which doesn't include the people watching it on TV/live in korea. Don't hate on how "easy" LoL is to play until you actually try it. It might not require the APM of starcraft but it places much more emphasis on reaction time and team coordination. (I'm pretty decent at LoL, D4 which is approximately equivalent to top 5 masters or so in SC2) Not particularly hard to see why kespa chose to add LoL though. It's a massive game in Korea and has a large audience across the world. Edit:: Feel free to join the the discussion of LoL, pokemon, costco and other assorted topics in the LoL GD thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416737
I mean you do make some solid points, though I fail to comprehend why you use peak concurrent for viewership indication, but a lot of people seem to enjoy doing that, so w/e.
What really grinds my gears is your second paragraph. Did you never touch any other moba? People don't (or shouldn't) bitch about lol being easier than star 2, ofc it is moba is just removing makro and a large amount of multitasking from rts, the issue is that lol is literally the easiest, most dumbed down, game of it's genre. They removed being able to deny creeps, there is no courrier (unless they added it by now) and that list goes on forever, but I think someone who actually plays a lot of moba should tell you, I don't see why I'd touch a castrated rts when I can just play a real one. But seriously LoL is by far one of the most dumbed down games of the 21st century, basically the cod of moba.
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adding LoL is not "moving away from sc2" it means they like money and can easily add another division to their broadcast that will easily be productive for them.
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On July 05 2013 19:46 iNcontroL wrote:
adding LoL is not "moving away from sc2" it means they like money and can easily add another division to their broadcast that will easily be productive for them.
One doesn't preclude the other. OGN added LoL, and it quickly became their primary focus.
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On July 05 2013 19:39 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 06:46 Lmui wrote:I'm somewhat surprised by the amount of people that think LoL doesn't have that many dedicated viewers. theOddOne and Voyboy consistently hit 30k+ viewers just streaming, LCS regularly breaks 150k viewers for a weekly four game show and that spikes up much higher for large tournaments. The OGN spring finals had ~900k IIRC across livestreams, which doesn't include the people watching it on TV/live in korea. Don't hate on how "easy" LoL is to play until you actually try it. It might not require the APM of starcraft but it places much more emphasis on reaction time and team coordination. (I'm pretty decent at LoL, D4 which is approximately equivalent to top 5 masters or so in SC2) Not particularly hard to see why kespa chose to add LoL though. It's a massive game in Korea and has a large audience across the world. Edit:: Feel free to join the the discussion of LoL, pokemon, costco and other assorted topics in the LoL GD thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416737 I mean you do make some solid points, though I fail to comprehend why you use peak concurrent for viewership indication, but a lot of people seem to enjoy doing that, so w/e. What really grinds my gears is your second paragraph. Did you never touch any other moba? People don't (or shouldn't) bitch about lol being easier than star 2, ofc it is moba is just removing makro and a large amount of multitasking from rts, the issue is that lol is literally the easiest, most dumbed down, game of it's genre. They removed being able to deny creeps, there is no courrier (unless they added it by now) and that list goes on forever, but I think someone who actually plays a lot of moba should tell you, I don't see why I'd touch a castrated rts when I can just play a real one. But seriously LoL is by far one of the most dumbed down games of the 21st century, basically the cod of moba.
Do you think LoL has consistently more fans/viewers and players because it is easier than Dota2 and SC2 or... could it be that it's just more fun?
I used to play BW, I used to play SC2, I used to play Dota2 (used to play the original Dota WC3 custom map consistently as well) and guess what?
Still playing LoL. It took me a while to start though, because so many peope (particularly on TL) were spewing shit about how it was nothing but a cheap knockoff. Now I won't even try to argue that LoL isn't as easy as you might think, nobody wants to hear that, but I will say that a harder game is not automatically a better game.
edit: By the way, it irks me that SC2/Dota2 people speak of LoL as if they had any kind of high ground when it comes to the difficulty in their game. Did any of you even play BW? SC2 is like finger painting compared to that. Though what is even more baffling is that you would think you are somehow better, somehow cooler, somehow more of a "real gamer" than anyone else based on which game you play. Nobody is impressed, what the fuck are you doing?
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On July 05 2013 20:39 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 19:46 iNcontroL wrote:
adding LoL is not "moving away from sc2" it means they like money and can easily add another division to their broadcast that will easily be productive for them. One doesn't preclude the other. OGN added LoL, and it quickly became their primary focus.
What ? They are showing OSL and PL as well as their LoL league... How can you say that LoL is their primary focus and SC2 is not ? They are showing both games so they benefit from both and I doubt that any TV channel will prioritize one prime time show over the other prime time show.
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On July 05 2013 19:46 iNcontroL wrote:
adding LoL is not "moving away from sc2" it means they like money and can easily add another division to their broadcast that will easily be productive for them.
Even if this is true. The sc2 division will not see a penny of that money while it is safe to assume that Kespa will relocate a significant amount of their resources to LOL.
Why would Kespa reduce funding for a number of SC teams if new money is coming into sc2(Major T8)?
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On July 05 2013 20:52 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 19:39 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 06:46 Lmui wrote:I'm somewhat surprised by the amount of people that think LoL doesn't have that many dedicated viewers. theOddOne and Voyboy consistently hit 30k+ viewers just streaming, LCS regularly breaks 150k viewers for a weekly four game show and that spikes up much higher for large tournaments. The OGN spring finals had ~900k IIRC across livestreams, which doesn't include the people watching it on TV/live in korea. Don't hate on how "easy" LoL is to play until you actually try it. It might not require the APM of starcraft but it places much more emphasis on reaction time and team coordination. (I'm pretty decent at LoL, D4 which is approximately equivalent to top 5 masters or so in SC2) Not particularly hard to see why kespa chose to add LoL though. It's a massive game in Korea and has a large audience across the world. Edit:: Feel free to join the the discussion of LoL, pokemon, costco and other assorted topics in the LoL GD thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416737 I mean you do make some solid points, though I fail to comprehend why you use peak concurrent for viewership indication, but a lot of people seem to enjoy doing that, so w/e. What really grinds my gears is your second paragraph. Did you never touch any other moba? People don't (or shouldn't) bitch about lol being easier than star 2, ofc it is moba is just removing makro and a large amount of multitasking from rts, the issue is that lol is literally the easiest, most dumbed down, game of it's genre. They removed being able to deny creeps, there is no courrier (unless they added it by now) and that list goes on forever, but I think someone who actually plays a lot of moba should tell you, I don't see why I'd touch a castrated rts when I can just play a real one. But seriously LoL is by far one of the most dumbed down games of the 21st century, basically the cod of moba. Do you think LoL has consistently more fans/viewers and players because it is easier than Dota2 and SC2 or... could it be that it's just more fun? I used to play BW, I used to play SC2, I used to play Dota2 (used to play the original Dota WC3 custom map consistently as well) and guess what? Still playing LoL. It took me a while to start though, because so many peope (particularly on TL) were spewing shit about how it was nothing but a cheap knockoff. Now I won't even try to argue that LoL isn't as easy as you might think, nobody wants to hear that, but I will say that a harder game is not automatically a better game. edit: By the way, it irks me that SC2/Dota2 people speak of LoL as if they had any kind of high ground when it comes to the difficulty in their game. Did any of you even play BW? SC2 is like finger painting compared to that. Though what is even more baffling is that you would think you are somehow better, somehow cooler, somehow more of a "real gamer" than anyone else based on which game you play. Nobody is impressed, what the fuck are you doing?
Took the words from my mouth!
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On July 05 2013 20:52 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 19:39 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 06:46 Lmui wrote:I'm somewhat surprised by the amount of people that think LoL doesn't have that many dedicated viewers. theOddOne and Voyboy consistently hit 30k+ viewers just streaming, LCS regularly breaks 150k viewers for a weekly four game show and that spikes up much higher for large tournaments. The OGN spring finals had ~900k IIRC across livestreams, which doesn't include the people watching it on TV/live in korea. Don't hate on how "easy" LoL is to play until you actually try it. It might not require the APM of starcraft but it places much more emphasis on reaction time and team coordination. (I'm pretty decent at LoL, D4 which is approximately equivalent to top 5 masters or so in SC2) Not particularly hard to see why kespa chose to add LoL though. It's a massive game in Korea and has a large audience across the world. Edit:: Feel free to join the the discussion of LoL, pokemon, costco and other assorted topics in the LoL GD thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416737 I mean you do make some solid points, though I fail to comprehend why you use peak concurrent for viewership indication, but a lot of people seem to enjoy doing that, so w/e. What really grinds my gears is your second paragraph. Did you never touch any other moba? People don't (or shouldn't) bitch about lol being easier than star 2, ofc it is moba is just removing makro and a large amount of multitasking from rts, the issue is that lol is literally the easiest, most dumbed down, game of it's genre. They removed being able to deny creeps, there is no courrier (unless they added it by now) and that list goes on forever, but I think someone who actually plays a lot of moba should tell you, I don't see why I'd touch a castrated rts when I can just play a real one. But seriously LoL is by far one of the most dumbed down games of the 21st century, basically the cod of moba. Do you think LoL has consistently more fans/viewers and players because it is easier than Dota2 and SC2 or... could it be that it's just more fun? I used to play BW, I used to play SC2, I used to play Dota2 (used to play the original Dota WC3 custom map consistently as well) and guess what? Still playing LoL. It took me a while to start though, because so many peope (particularly on TL) were spewing shit about how it was nothing but a cheap knockoff. Now I won't even try to argue that LoL isn't as easy as you might think, nobody wants to hear that, but I will say that a harder game is not automatically a better game. edit: By the way, it irks me that SC2/Dota2 people speak of LoL as if they had any kind of high ground when it comes to the difficulty in their game. Did any of you even play BW? SC2 is like finger painting compared to that. Though what is even more baffling is that you would think you are somehow better, somehow cooler, somehow more of a "real gamer" than anyone else based on which game you play. Nobody is impressed, what the fuck are you doing?
Yeah I do and I still play brood war on atleast a weekly base, daily if I had the time. I'm not saying you are shit if you play LoL I'm saying it's the easiest possible moba, and yeah I do think thats why it has the largest popularity. I mean lets look back at fps pc games when they were still popular. Quake is way way harder than cs, but cs eventually took over. Hell even console fps started esports wise at halo 1 which is basically quake ported on a console (in terms of multiplayer) and it was dumbed down all the way to cod bo2 nowadays. The easiest game will always be the most popular one as people don't enjoy challenges that are really hard, they enjoy achievements, they enjoy feeling like they are "good" they enjoy doing shit with their friends (thus team games will always be more popular than 1 v 1) and they love unlocking shit. While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something. It's an issue of society and people prefer to view the easy path as more fun.
Again I couldn't care less how others view me or w/e, and if I'd had made star 2 it wouldn't have automine, autorally, ulbs and all that shit, but I actually enjoy sucking at games and putting hours and hours of time (that I don't even have nowadays) into them to become decent and star 2 has a decent popularity while bw is dead so thats where I spent my time. I just find it sad that two of the most popular games in esports these days are also the most dumbed down ones of their genre (lol and cod), and thats just my personal opinion as I prefer to be "holy fuck I can't even comprehend how he did that" over "meh my 12 years old cousin could do that too" when watching esports.
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On July 05 2013 21:47 shin_toss wrote:
MSL :>
2052 man. It's coming.
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I think StarCraft 2 gonna' die if LoL get more fans from SC2. Indeed, the World need F2P StarCraft 2!!!
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On July 05 2013 21:45 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On July 05 2013 19:39 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 06:46 Lmui wrote:I'm somewhat surprised by the amount of people that think LoL doesn't have that many dedicated viewers. theOddOne and Voyboy consistently hit 30k+ viewers just streaming, LCS regularly breaks 150k viewers for a weekly four game show and that spikes up much higher for large tournaments. The OGN spring finals had ~900k IIRC across livestreams, which doesn't include the people watching it on TV/live in korea. Don't hate on how "easy" LoL is to play until you actually try it. It might not require the APM of starcraft but it places much more emphasis on reaction time and team coordination. (I'm pretty decent at LoL, D4 which is approximately equivalent to top 5 masters or so in SC2) Not particularly hard to see why kespa chose to add LoL though. It's a massive game in Korea and has a large audience across the world. Edit:: Feel free to join the the discussion of LoL, pokemon, costco and other assorted topics in the LoL GD thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416737 I mean you do make some solid points, though I fail to comprehend why you use peak concurrent for viewership indication, but a lot of people seem to enjoy doing that, so w/e. What really grinds my gears is your second paragraph. Did you never touch any other moba? People don't (or shouldn't) bitch about lol being easier than star 2, ofc it is moba is just removing makro and a large amount of multitasking from rts, the issue is that lol is literally the easiest, most dumbed down, game of it's genre. They removed being able to deny creeps, there is no courrier (unless they added it by now) and that list goes on forever, but I think someone who actually plays a lot of moba should tell you, I don't see why I'd touch a castrated rts when I can just play a real one. But seriously LoL is by far one of the most dumbed down games of the 21st century, basically the cod of moba. Do you think LoL has consistently more fans/viewers and players because it is easier than Dota2 and SC2 or... could it be that it's just more fun? I used to play BW, I used to play SC2, I used to play Dota2 (used to play the original Dota WC3 custom map consistently as well) and guess what? Still playing LoL. It took me a while to start though, because so many peope (particularly on TL) were spewing shit about how it was nothing but a cheap knockoff. Now I won't even try to argue that LoL isn't as easy as you might think, nobody wants to hear that, but I will say that a harder game is not automatically a better game. edit: By the way, it irks me that SC2/Dota2 people speak of LoL as if they had any kind of high ground when it comes to the difficulty in their game. Did any of you even play BW? SC2 is like finger painting compared to that. Though what is even more baffling is that you would think you are somehow better, somehow cooler, somehow more of a "real gamer" than anyone else based on which game you play. Nobody is impressed, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah I do and I still play brood war on atleast a weekly base, daily if I had the time. I'm not saying you are shit if you play LoL I'm saying it's the easiest possible moba, and yeah I do think thats why it has the largest popularity. I mean lets look back at fps pc games when they were still popular. Quake is way way harder than cs, but cs eventually took over. Hell even console fps started esports wise at halo 1 which is basically quake ported on a console (in terms of multiplayer) and it was dumbed down all the way to cod bo2 nowadays. The easiest game will always be the most popular one as people don't enjoy challenges that are really hard, they enjoy achievements, they enjoy feeling like they are "good" they enjoy doing shit with their friends (thus team games will always be more popular than 1 v 1) and they love unlocking shit. While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something. It's an issue of society and people prefer to view the easy path as more fun. Again I couldn't care less how others view me or w/e, and if I'd had made star 2 it wouldn't have automine, autorally, ulbs and all that shit, but I actually enjoy sucking at games and putting hours and hours of time (that I don't even have nowadays) into them to become decent and star 2 has a decent popularity while bw is dead so thats where I spent my time. I just find it sad that two of the most popular games in esports these days are also the most dumbed down ones of their genre (lol and cod), and thats just my personal opinion as I prefer to be "holy fuck I can't even comprehend how he did that" over "meh my 12 years old cousin could do that too" when watching esports.
"While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something."
Because playing a bunch of games of League of Legends and putting hours and hours into Starcraft 2 are somehow different. Please inform me of how playing a "bunch" of LoL games isn't putting hour and hours into it.
Your ignorance amuses me. Please continue.
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On July 05 2013 22:04 Serene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 21:45 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On July 05 2013 19:39 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 06:46 Lmui wrote:I'm somewhat surprised by the amount of people that think LoL doesn't have that many dedicated viewers. theOddOne and Voyboy consistently hit 30k+ viewers just streaming, LCS regularly breaks 150k viewers for a weekly four game show and that spikes up much higher for large tournaments. The OGN spring finals had ~900k IIRC across livestreams, which doesn't include the people watching it on TV/live in korea. Don't hate on how "easy" LoL is to play until you actually try it. It might not require the APM of starcraft but it places much more emphasis on reaction time and team coordination. (I'm pretty decent at LoL, D4 which is approximately equivalent to top 5 masters or so in SC2) Not particularly hard to see why kespa chose to add LoL though. It's a massive game in Korea and has a large audience across the world. Edit:: Feel free to join the the discussion of LoL, pokemon, costco and other assorted topics in the LoL GD thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416737 I mean you do make some solid points, though I fail to comprehend why you use peak concurrent for viewership indication, but a lot of people seem to enjoy doing that, so w/e. What really grinds my gears is your second paragraph. Did you never touch any other moba? People don't (or shouldn't) bitch about lol being easier than star 2, ofc it is moba is just removing makro and a large amount of multitasking from rts, the issue is that lol is literally the easiest, most dumbed down, game of it's genre. They removed being able to deny creeps, there is no courrier (unless they added it by now) and that list goes on forever, but I think someone who actually plays a lot of moba should tell you, I don't see why I'd touch a castrated rts when I can just play a real one. But seriously LoL is by far one of the most dumbed down games of the 21st century, basically the cod of moba. Do you think LoL has consistently more fans/viewers and players because it is easier than Dota2 and SC2 or... could it be that it's just more fun? I used to play BW, I used to play SC2, I used to play Dota2 (used to play the original Dota WC3 custom map consistently as well) and guess what? Still playing LoL. It took me a while to start though, because so many peope (particularly on TL) were spewing shit about how it was nothing but a cheap knockoff. Now I won't even try to argue that LoL isn't as easy as you might think, nobody wants to hear that, but I will say that a harder game is not automatically a better game. edit: By the way, it irks me that SC2/Dota2 people speak of LoL as if they had any kind of high ground when it comes to the difficulty in their game. Did any of you even play BW? SC2 is like finger painting compared to that. Though what is even more baffling is that you would think you are somehow better, somehow cooler, somehow more of a "real gamer" than anyone else based on which game you play. Nobody is impressed, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah I do and I still play brood war on atleast a weekly base, daily if I had the time. I'm not saying you are shit if you play LoL I'm saying it's the easiest possible moba, and yeah I do think thats why it has the largest popularity. I mean lets look back at fps pc games when they were still popular. Quake is way way harder than cs, but cs eventually took over. Hell even console fps started esports wise at halo 1 which is basically quake ported on a console (in terms of multiplayer) and it was dumbed down all the way to cod bo2 nowadays. The easiest game will always be the most popular one as people don't enjoy challenges that are really hard, they enjoy achievements, they enjoy feeling like they are "good" they enjoy doing shit with their friends (thus team games will always be more popular than 1 v 1) and they love unlocking shit. While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something. It's an issue of society and people prefer to view the easy path as more fun. Again I couldn't care less how others view me or w/e, and if I'd had made star 2 it wouldn't have automine, autorally, ulbs and all that shit, but I actually enjoy sucking at games and putting hours and hours of time (that I don't even have nowadays) into them to become decent and star 2 has a decent popularity while bw is dead so thats where I spent my time. I just find it sad that two of the most popular games in esports these days are also the most dumbed down ones of their genre (lol and cod), and thats just my personal opinion as I prefer to be "holy fuck I can't even comprehend how he did that" over "meh my 12 years old cousin could do that too" when watching esports. "While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something." Because playing a bunch of games of League of Legends and putting hours and hours into Starcraft 2 are somehow different. Please inform me of how playing a "bunch" of LoL games isn't putting hour and hours into it. Your ignorance amuses me. Please continue.
What? Do you fail to comprehend what I'm saying? Sorry but I don't talk to people who call me ignorant while they fail to even show basic reading comprehension.
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On July 05 2013 22:04 Serene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 21:45 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On July 05 2013 19:39 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 06:46 Lmui wrote:I'm somewhat surprised by the amount of people that think LoL doesn't have that many dedicated viewers. theOddOne and Voyboy consistently hit 30k+ viewers just streaming, LCS regularly breaks 150k viewers for a weekly four game show and that spikes up much higher for large tournaments. The OGN spring finals had ~900k IIRC across livestreams, which doesn't include the people watching it on TV/live in korea. Don't hate on how "easy" LoL is to play until you actually try it. It might not require the APM of starcraft but it places much more emphasis on reaction time and team coordination. (I'm pretty decent at LoL, D4 which is approximately equivalent to top 5 masters or so in SC2) Not particularly hard to see why kespa chose to add LoL though. It's a massive game in Korea and has a large audience across the world. Edit:: Feel free to join the the discussion of LoL, pokemon, costco and other assorted topics in the LoL GD thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416737 I mean you do make some solid points, though I fail to comprehend why you use peak concurrent for viewership indication, but a lot of people seem to enjoy doing that, so w/e. What really grinds my gears is your second paragraph. Did you never touch any other moba? People don't (or shouldn't) bitch about lol being easier than star 2, ofc it is moba is just removing makro and a large amount of multitasking from rts, the issue is that lol is literally the easiest, most dumbed down, game of it's genre. They removed being able to deny creeps, there is no courrier (unless they added it by now) and that list goes on forever, but I think someone who actually plays a lot of moba should tell you, I don't see why I'd touch a castrated rts when I can just play a real one. But seriously LoL is by far one of the most dumbed down games of the 21st century, basically the cod of moba. Do you think LoL has consistently more fans/viewers and players because it is easier than Dota2 and SC2 or... could it be that it's just more fun? I used to play BW, I used to play SC2, I used to play Dota2 (used to play the original Dota WC3 custom map consistently as well) and guess what? Still playing LoL. It took me a while to start though, because so many peope (particularly on TL) were spewing shit about how it was nothing but a cheap knockoff. Now I won't even try to argue that LoL isn't as easy as you might think, nobody wants to hear that, but I will say that a harder game is not automatically a better game. edit: By the way, it irks me that SC2/Dota2 people speak of LoL as if they had any kind of high ground when it comes to the difficulty in their game. Did any of you even play BW? SC2 is like finger painting compared to that. Though what is even more baffling is that you would think you are somehow better, somehow cooler, somehow more of a "real gamer" than anyone else based on which game you play. Nobody is impressed, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah I do and I still play brood war on atleast a weekly base, daily if I had the time. I'm not saying you are shit if you play LoL I'm saying it's the easiest possible moba, and yeah I do think thats why it has the largest popularity. I mean lets look back at fps pc games when they were still popular. Quake is way way harder than cs, but cs eventually took over. Hell even console fps started esports wise at halo 1 which is basically quake ported on a console (in terms of multiplayer) and it was dumbed down all the way to cod bo2 nowadays. The easiest game will always be the most popular one as people don't enjoy challenges that are really hard, they enjoy achievements, they enjoy feeling like they are "good" they enjoy doing shit with their friends (thus team games will always be more popular than 1 v 1) and they love unlocking shit. While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something. It's an issue of society and people prefer to view the easy path as more fun. Again I couldn't care less how others view me or w/e, and if I'd had made star 2 it wouldn't have automine, autorally, ulbs and all that shit, but I actually enjoy sucking at games and putting hours and hours of time (that I don't even have nowadays) into them to become decent and star 2 has a decent popularity while bw is dead so thats where I spent my time. I just find it sad that two of the most popular games in esports these days are also the most dumbed down ones of their genre (lol and cod), and thats just my personal opinion as I prefer to be "holy fuck I can't even comprehend how he did that" over "meh my 12 years old cousin could do that too" when watching esports. "While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something." Because playing a bunch of games of League of Legends and putting hours and hours into Starcraft 2 are somehow different. Please inform me of how playing a "bunch" of LoL games isn't putting hour and hours into it. Your ignorance amuses me. Please continue.
He is a dumbed down poster. Everybody can post something on TL and think he is the boss.
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On July 05 2013 22:05 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 22:04 Serene wrote:On July 05 2013 21:45 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On July 05 2013 19:39 Lorch wrote:On July 05 2013 06:46 Lmui wrote:I'm somewhat surprised by the amount of people that think LoL doesn't have that many dedicated viewers. theOddOne and Voyboy consistently hit 30k+ viewers just streaming, LCS regularly breaks 150k viewers for a weekly four game show and that spikes up much higher for large tournaments. The OGN spring finals had ~900k IIRC across livestreams, which doesn't include the people watching it on TV/live in korea. Don't hate on how "easy" LoL is to play until you actually try it. It might not require the APM of starcraft but it places much more emphasis on reaction time and team coordination. (I'm pretty decent at LoL, D4 which is approximately equivalent to top 5 masters or so in SC2) Not particularly hard to see why kespa chose to add LoL though. It's a massive game in Korea and has a large audience across the world. Edit:: Feel free to join the the discussion of LoL, pokemon, costco and other assorted topics in the LoL GD thread here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416737 I mean you do make some solid points, though I fail to comprehend why you use peak concurrent for viewership indication, but a lot of people seem to enjoy doing that, so w/e. What really grinds my gears is your second paragraph. Did you never touch any other moba? People don't (or shouldn't) bitch about lol being easier than star 2, ofc it is moba is just removing makro and a large amount of multitasking from rts, the issue is that lol is literally the easiest, most dumbed down, game of it's genre. They removed being able to deny creeps, there is no courrier (unless they added it by now) and that list goes on forever, but I think someone who actually plays a lot of moba should tell you, I don't see why I'd touch a castrated rts when I can just play a real one. But seriously LoL is by far one of the most dumbed down games of the 21st century, basically the cod of moba. Do you think LoL has consistently more fans/viewers and players because it is easier than Dota2 and SC2 or... could it be that it's just more fun? I used to play BW, I used to play SC2, I used to play Dota2 (used to play the original Dota WC3 custom map consistently as well) and guess what? Still playing LoL. It took me a while to start though, because so many peope (particularly on TL) were spewing shit about how it was nothing but a cheap knockoff. Now I won't even try to argue that LoL isn't as easy as you might think, nobody wants to hear that, but I will say that a harder game is not automatically a better game. edit: By the way, it irks me that SC2/Dota2 people speak of LoL as if they had any kind of high ground when it comes to the difficulty in their game. Did any of you even play BW? SC2 is like finger painting compared to that. Though what is even more baffling is that you would think you are somehow better, somehow cooler, somehow more of a "real gamer" than anyone else based on which game you play. Nobody is impressed, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah I do and I still play brood war on atleast a weekly base, daily if I had the time. I'm not saying you are shit if you play LoL I'm saying it's the easiest possible moba, and yeah I do think thats why it has the largest popularity. I mean lets look back at fps pc games when they were still popular. Quake is way way harder than cs, but cs eventually took over. Hell even console fps started esports wise at halo 1 which is basically quake ported on a console (in terms of multiplayer) and it was dumbed down all the way to cod bo2 nowadays. The easiest game will always be the most popular one as people don't enjoy challenges that are really hard, they enjoy achievements, they enjoy feeling like they are "good" they enjoy doing shit with their friends (thus team games will always be more popular than 1 v 1) and they love unlocking shit. While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something. It's an issue of society and people prefer to view the easy path as more fun. Again I couldn't care less how others view me or w/e, and if I'd had made star 2 it wouldn't have automine, autorally, ulbs and all that shit, but I actually enjoy sucking at games and putting hours and hours of time (that I don't even have nowadays) into them to become decent and star 2 has a decent popularity while bw is dead so thats where I spent my time. I just find it sad that two of the most popular games in esports these days are also the most dumbed down ones of their genre (lol and cod), and thats just my personal opinion as I prefer to be "holy fuck I can't even comprehend how he did that" over "meh my 12 years old cousin could do that too" when watching esports. "While in bw, and even to a certain extend in star 2, you have to put hours and hour into it to be actually able to play properly, anyone can just play a bunch of games of lol and feel like they accomplished something." Because playing a bunch of games of League of Legends and putting hours and hours into Starcraft 2 are somehow different. Please inform me of how playing a "bunch" of LoL games isn't putting hour and hours into it. Your ignorance amuses me. Please continue. What? Do you fail to comprehend what I'm saying? Sorry but I don't talk to people who call me ignorant while they fail to even show basic reading comprehension.
No. I understood what you're saying. Your lack of knowledge about playing League at a high level is amusing to me. You don't just become good at the game because you can last hit and understand the basics. That's the equivalent of learning to macro in SC2. So please, continue.
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On July 05 2013 19:46 iNcontroL wrote:
adding LoL is not "moving away from sc2" it means they like money and can easily add another division to their broadcast that will easily be productive for them.
Ye, maybe we can even make a hybrid league where it's Bo5 sc2 but the ace match is LoL. That way they can promote both games equally yea?
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On July 05 2013 20:39 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 19:46 iNcontroL wrote:
adding LoL is not "moving away from sc2" it means they like money and can easily add another division to their broadcast that will easily be productive for them. One doesn't preclude the other. OGN added LoL, and it quickly became their primary focus.
Yes. But they also added much more SC2 since that. They actually added more SC2 AFTER they already had LoL ongoing. I don't think it will be much more of a problem. Depends what sponsors who don't already have LoL team (like Samsung, Woongjin, STX (if they don' die)) do - if they cut their sponsoring of SC2 or just add LoL team on top of that. Judging from KT/SKT/CJ, they will probably just add LoL and everything will stay the same for SC2.
EDIT: Well, ok, maybe not everything. They probably lose the primary time slot on Saturday/Sunday on OGN and they will either switch with SPOTV (so SPOTV Saturday/Sunday, OGN Monday/Tuesday) or the broadcast will move to SPOTV completely. Assuming SPOTV continues the broadcasts, for the next season, ofc.
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