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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
July 08 2013 00:15 GMT
#6961
Bah why can't they trade Rivington instead of Phreak.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
July 08 2013 00:16 GMT
#6962
On July 08 2013 08:48 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 08:23 caelym wrote:
On July 08 2013 07:43 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1htoaa/a_warning_to_new_lcs_teams_and_rising_amateur/
I have no clue what I was expecting from marn, I guess should have seen that coming after the shit he did in guilty gear (In charge of brackets, rigged them so he can be virtually guaranteed to finish in the money)
Does raise another interesting point in the debate between players vs management due to cases like this.

Hey guys, anyone remember the post I made about how someone should do an investigative report on the balance of power in the LoL eSports ecosystem? Also not sure how much I can say but GGU also had their fair share of manager/owner/scam issues. Basically if your team ever makes it big, the safest bet is to go with an established eSports org or get a player (or players) to have legal ownership of the team.

Yeah, a player owned team is really the best for the players involved, but I feel like that can be a strength and a weakness. How do teens deal with issues that they don't agree with? Do they vote? Do they all sign something that says it requires 4/5 votes to kick someone from the team?


I actually think a professionally owned team would probably be the best for performance and fairness issues. We've seen the trouble with certain player-dominated teams in NA, and these manager-dominated problems also come to light. But this is nothing new with SPORTS look at Scottie Pippen as an example.

The key is dealing with organizations who have just as much to lose (reputation wise and financially) as yourself. Do you think Quallcomm is going to try to stiff TSM over $15k? Similarly, Regi knows that his reputation and the TSM brand is worth more than a minor squabble over the last months of Chaox's salary (notice how there was no story about he wasn't paid or something like that).

Its like if you have an affair with Michelle Obama. She is not gonna be snitching on you.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 08 2013 00:31 GMT
#6963
That's the 2nd time I cast Q as Pantheon, lose mana/have it on cd, see the particle flying, lose vision of the target who's low HP, and it survives, seemingly taking 0 damage.
Either my math is bad, or there's something wrong regarding vision and projectiles. :|

(First one was a long time ago, a Zyra walks into a brush while the projectile flies, she's alone, no heals, barriers, nothing, Q on cd and mana spent and she doesn't die from her 18 HP.
Just had it happen with a very low HP Vayne who Tumbles with ult active right after I Q, the spear flies, Vayne reappears... unscathed.

I know some spells get cancelled when you lose vision (Naut's ult on Akali), but afaik none is actually supposed to go on cooldown and cost the mana, nothing refunded, while actually doing nothing.)

In the same vein, how does Graves' W work? I thought as long as I W somebody, don't stay in the AoE, and don't attack them, they don't have vision of me. However I've had several instances of people attacking me when all the conditions are met (implying they somehow have vision of me), so I must be missing something and misusing it, but I have no idea what. The wiki doesn't seem to list anything more.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
July 08 2013 01:30 GMT
#6964
On July 08 2013 05:56 TheYango wrote:
More like play aggressive and crush him, then blame your jungler when you get ganked.

This happened :O

Thanks
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
July 08 2013 01:51 GMT
#6965
On July 08 2013 08:23 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 07:43 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1htoaa/a_warning_to_new_lcs_teams_and_rising_amateur/
I have no clue what I was expecting from marn, I guess should have seen that coming after the shit he did in guilty gear (In charge of brackets, rigged them so he can be virtually guaranteed to finish in the money)
Does raise another interesting point in the debate between players vs management due to cases like this.

Hey guys, anyone remember the post I made about how someone should do an investigative report on the balance of power in the LoL eSports ecosystem? Also not sure how much I can say but GGU also had their fair share of manager/owner/scam issues. Basically if your team ever makes it big, the safest bet is to go with an established eSports org or get a player (or players) to have legal ownership of the team.


Without knowing the full details of the contracts Riot and teams use, I feel like there should be a clause somewhere that requires all salary funds to be kept in escrow to ensure the players receive the money. It seems like a pretty ridiculous oversight on behalf of Riot's legal team, given the tumultuous history of payments in emerging Esports.
Stay positive!
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 01:52:58
July 08 2013 01:52 GMT
#6966
On July 08 2013 09:31 Alaric wrote:
That's the 2nd time I cast Q as Pantheon, lose mana/have it on cd, see the particle flying, lose vision of the target who's low HP, and it survives, seemingly taking 0 damage.
Either my math is bad, or there's something wrong regarding vision and projectiles. :|

(First one was a long time ago, a Zyra walks into a brush while the projectile flies, she's alone, no heals, barriers, nothing, Q on cd and mana spent and she doesn't die from her 18 HP.
Just had it happen with a very low HP Vayne who Tumbles with ult active right after I Q, the spear flies, Vayne reappears... unscathed.

I know some spells get cancelled when you lose vision (Naut's ult on Akali), but afaik none is actually supposed to go on cooldown and cost the mana, nothing refunded, while actually doing nothing.)

In the same vein, how does Graves' W work? I thought as long as I W somebody, don't stay in the AoE, and don't attack them, they don't have vision of me. However I've had several instances of people attacking me when all the conditions are met (implying they somehow have vision of me), so I must be missing something and misusing it, but I have no idea what. The wiki doesn't seem to list anything more.

Not sure about Patheon's Q, but Grave's W doesn't complete shut down vision. It reduces vision by 675, so if you happen to be in their range, they can still see you and attack you.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 08 2013 02:00 GMT
#6967
On July 08 2013 08:48 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 08:11 Erasme wrote:
as i said its pointless to compare these two games because few people here can play both of them at high level and theres too many factors involved.

I don't think people need to play the game at high level to recognize the pattern though. For example, I doubt Yango play at high level in any games of these two, yet people in both Dota and LoL forum respect his opinions and all he does is pointing out the patterns.


He actually does play at a rather high level in both games and he also has really good access to the chinese material
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 08 2013 02:07 GMT
#6968
Yango mostly does math :D
Bronze player stuck in platinum
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 08 2013 02:11 GMT
#6969
On July 08 2013 09:31 Alaric wrote:
That's the 2nd time I cast Q as Pantheon, lose mana/have it on cd, see the particle flying, lose vision of the target who's low HP, and it survives, seemingly taking 0 damage.
Either my math is bad, or there's something wrong regarding vision and projectiles. :|

(First one was a long time ago, a Zyra walks into a brush while the projectile flies, she's alone, no heals, barriers, nothing, Q on cd and mana spent and she doesn't die from her 18 HP.
Just had it happen with a very low HP Vayne who Tumbles with ult active right after I Q, the spear flies, Vayne reappears... unscathed.

I know some spells get cancelled when you lose vision (Naut's ult on Akali), but afaik none is actually supposed to go on cooldown and cost the mana, nothing refunded, while actually doing nothing.)

In the same vein, how does Graves' W work? I thought as long as I W somebody, don't stay in the AoE, and don't attack them, they don't have vision of me. However I've had several instances of people attacking me when all the conditions are met (implying they somehow have vision of me), so I must be missing something and misusing it, but I have no idea what. The wiki doesn't seem to list anything more.


Taric's stun recently had a bug where it wouldn't stun if the target left vision before the projectile hit, submit a bug report?
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
July 08 2013 02:15 GMT
#6970
There's a bug where if Morgana hits a stealthed target with Dark Binding, it doesn't root them in place.

There might just be a bug with stealth and abilities affecting stealthed champions right now.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
July 08 2013 02:58 GMT
#6971
Oh my god this 14/3/13 doran blade tiger udyr build is ridiculous. Any jungler who thinks they're a good early dueliest (j4, lee, etc) folds like rags against this monster.

Tower dive 24/7 starting at level 3. So stupid.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
July 08 2013 03:09 GMT
#6972
I'm a bad udyr player, but isn't 3 points in def really squishy? is it not better to do 12/9/9 with full LS quints?
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 03:26:36
July 08 2013 03:17 GMT
#6973
I tried a build that diamond prox used, but the idea is that with a doran blade start (+80hp), 5 damage per hit, 2+% lifesteal in runes, lifesteal/spellvamp from masteries, and the biscuit for early regen, you clear really well and regen a lot. I did NOT feel squishy at all, since turtle is so good.

I miss the MS quints though, but at least you have the out of combat runspeed from utility.

I used to play phoenix udyr all the time, but this is so different because your bear->tiger burst is SO high that no one can fight you, and if they do you turn turtle->bear->tiger again and just kill them.

EDIT: I picked him because I saw the other team had j4/lee, who have to be in melee range, and the rest of their team lacked escapes. I'd imagine udyr still sucks against teams with lots of cc/slows/escapes.
niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
July 08 2013 03:24 GMT
#6974
Anyone is interested in GPL or s3 TW qualifier? It seems that ahq had the best chance to be the first team to qualify for s3.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 04:00:32
July 08 2013 03:32 GMT
#6975
On July 08 2013 11:15 Cheap0 wrote:
There's a bug where if Morgana hits a stealthed target with Dark Binding, it doesn't root them in place.

There might just be a bug with stealth and abilities affecting stealthed champions right now.

This bug used to occur in the past and I don't think anything is in the patch notes.

Riot should make sure to test stuff that's broken before.
And perhaps include all changes in the patch notes.

Here's another bug. I noticed as Ori on Saturday that many of my autos shot after moving failed. I thought it was just a bug with the champion.
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1htlbg/whats_with_all_the_aa_cancelling_at_the_moment/
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 08 2013 03:42 GMT
#6976
On July 08 2013 08:35 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 07:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 08 2013 07:36 Amui wrote:
On July 08 2013 07:28 TheYango wrote:
Losing a lane of rax is actually more punishing in League though, even though inhibs respawn--it's much harder to counterpush super creeps in League, and League has that mechanic where raxing one lane buffs your normal creeps in the other lanes, so losing just one inhib causes creep pressure to go against you in every lane.


I would argue to the contrary because you get more money when inhibs are down, vs less in Dota due to the way creeps push. You trade away map control, but in a lot of the scenarios when you lose an inhib, you're not in a particularly good spot to begin with.

I'm pretty sure you get more or less same amount of gold with inhibs down since mega creeps give the same amount of gold as regular creeps and seige minions stop spawning. Seige minions usually give gold equivalent to ~2 creeps. On top of that, because minions in League spawn at a centralized location, if the mega creep wave ever gets near your nexus at least two of your lanes will start to lose huge amounts of momentum.

In comparison, getting raxed in dota only causes you to lose momentum on one lane and can basically never affect how the other lanes push.


"Mega creeps are stronger versions of regular lane creeps that give less gold and experience to the enemy when killed"

The bigger issue I think is that it's harder to make big plays to come back in League vs Dota because power levels are so much more homogenous in league. Primary way to come back in League is just to turtle, farm to reduce the relative difference and hope for an overcommital/overextension.

I was referring to mega creeps in LoL. In LoL, when your inhibs are down there's very little net change in gold income for that lane. In Dota, the lane income decreases.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 08 2013 03:45 GMT
#6977
It's kind of funny when you're Thresh and your team loses inhibs You get so many souls its ridiculous-- happened to me once where we lost all 3 inhibs, but I ended up with like 600 armor after couple rounds against a 4 AD team.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 08 2013 04:20 GMT
#6978
First time playing Orianna in like a year and half; forgot how stupid hard this champion is to use >.<
got stomped in lane so hard by Karthus. Had fun though; the ball mechanic this is so well designed; shame Riot doesn't design champs like this anymore.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
July 08 2013 04:29 GMT
#6979
On July 08 2013 13:20 wei2coolman wrote:
First time playing Orianna in like a year and half; forgot how stupid hard this champion is to use >.<
got stomped in lane so hard by Karthus. Had fun though; the ball mechanic this is so well designed; shame Riot doesn't design champs like this anymore.


I watched regi steam a solo queue game as Ori. He was spamming buttons all game. This revelation helped my play a lot.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 08 2013 04:30 GMT
#6980
On July 08 2013 13:29 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 13:20 wei2coolman wrote:
First time playing Orianna in like a year and half; forgot how stupid hard this champion is to use >.<
got stomped in lane so hard by Karthus. Had fun though; the ball mechanic this is so well designed; shame Riot doesn't design champs like this anymore.


I watched regi steam a solo queue game as Ori. He was spamming buttons all game. This revelation helped my play a lot.

Went chalice and tears. Facerolled qwe til minion wave died. Was fun.
liftlift > tsm
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