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United States23745 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
I don't know why I've been watching DOTA2 on the regular for about a year now and it never really bothered me until just now. Loda (Alliances #1 carry who was something like 10-1 at the time) getting caught twice in a row and his team not even losing rax(inhib) because of buybacks is kinda lame, he almost got caught a third time if not for a sick save by his hard support player.
I get how buyback adds a layer of decision making but in a lot of cases it neuters winning a team fight. Idk I'm sure I'll go back to liking it tomorrow.
I can see how that specific scenario would leave a bad taste in your mouth. Seems like he was so fed that he wasn't even punished for his mistakes.
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Baa?21248 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
I don't know why I've been watching DOTA2 on the regular for about a year now and it never really bothered me until just now. Loda (Alliances #1 carry who was something like 10-1 at the time) getting caught twice in a row and his team not even losing rax(inhib) because of buybacks is kinda lame, he almost got caught a third time if not for a sick save by his hard support player.
I get how buyback adds a layer of decision making but in a lot of cases it neuters winning a team fight. Idk I'm sure I'll go back to liking it tomorrow.
you might as well complain about revive and GA being options in league then...
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admittedly I am without a doubt overreacting I was just annoyed by how that last game went down.
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On July 08 2013 05:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
I don't know why I've been watching DOTA2 on the regular for about a year now and it never really bothered me until just now. Loda (Alliances #1 carry who was something like 10-1 at the time) getting caught twice in a row and his team not even losing rax(inhib) because of buybacks is kinda lame, he almost got caught a third time if not for a sick save by his hard support player.
I get how buyback adds a layer of decision making but in a lot of cases it neuters winning a team fight. Idk I'm sure I'll go back to liking it tomorrow. you might as well complain about revive and GA being options in league then...
GA / Zac / Anivia / Zilean type effects don't care if you REALLY got caught out, you'll just have the cooldown popped AND die anyway.
Revive has a whopping 10 minute cooldown which neuters it pretty thoroughly, and you can't buy a teleport ticket back to the teamfight unless that teamfight is inside the base, or you also devote your second summoner to teleport.
Revive is pretty retarded in Dominion though.
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United States47024 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
I don't know why I've been watching DOTA2 on the regular for about a year now and it never really bothered me until just now. Loda (Alliances #1 carry who was something like 10-1 at the time) getting caught twice in a row and his team not even losing rax(inhib) because of buybacks is kinda lame, he almost got caught a third time if not for a sick save by his hard support player.
I get how buyback adds a layer of decision making but in a lot of cases it neuters winning a team fight. Idk I'm sure I'll go back to liking it tomorrow.
Lategame buybacks cost upward of 2k gold on a high-level hero. It hardly neuters winning a teamfight when the enemy carry drops 1/2 a major item in gold to buy back.
It also has a 6 minute CD, which is typically an important aspect of lategame play.
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On July 08 2013 05:15 mordek wrote:
I'm a noob at mid, ryze vs. kass, how do you play it out as ryze?
Switch your AD/Support mid. Laugh because midgame you are 50 cs ahead?
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United States47024 Posts
More like play aggressive and crush him, then blame your jungler when you get ganked.
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On July 08 2013 01:20 Usagi wrote:
Made it to Silver 3-0 =D I congratulate myself!
ggez
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United States23745 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:56 TheYango wrote:
More like play aggressive and crush him, then blame your jungler when you get ganked.
Yango is rarely wrong.
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On July 08 2013 05:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
I don't know why I've been watching DOTA2 on the regular for about a year now and it never really bothered me until just now. Loda (Alliances #1 carry who was something like 10-1 at the time) getting caught twice in a row and his team not even losing rax(inhib) because of buybacks is kinda lame, he almost got caught a third time if not for a sick save by his hard support player.
I get how buyback adds a layer of decision making but in a lot of cases it neuters winning a team fight. Idk I'm sure I'll go back to liking it tomorrow. you might as well complain about revive and GA being options in league then...
Revive and GA are conditional though.
Revive requires trade off with other summoner spells, so unless you have specific strat to go with it, it usually a waste; and GA requires a whooping 1 slot item+ 2600gold, so you'll not gonna see it on 5 champs, and it's only available in late game.
On the other hand, dota2's buyback available to all heroes, at anytime even at 1 minute, as long as you have enough money. That's why your poor support can still buyback if they know how to play and keep the reliable gold high enough.
Tbh, every game design is different, it's hard to judge which one is superior than other. I have a headache everytime I read people using deny mechanic, turret mechanic or spell mechanic to judge the game.
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Baa?21248 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:56 TheYango wrote:
More like play aggressive and crush him, then blame your jungler when you get ganked.
this is the csheep playbook on every single mid matchup.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:56 TheYango wrote:
More like play aggressive and crush him, then blame your jungler when you get ganked. this is the csheep playbook on every single mid matchup.
Too bad you suck and feed regardless of whether or not the jungler is there.
You're a POS.
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On July 08 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
I don't know why I've been watching DOTA2 on the regular for about a year now and it never really bothered me until just now. Loda (Alliances #1 carry who was something like 10-1 at the time) getting caught twice in a row and his team not even losing rax(inhib) because of buybacks is kinda lame, he almost got caught a third time if not for a sick save by his hard support player.
I get how buyback adds a layer of decision making but in a lot of cases it neuters winning a team fight. Idk I'm sure I'll go back to liking it tomorrow.
Not much else to add than it feels very very anticlimatic from time to time
and sometime just a huge relief if you were rooting for alliance 
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Baa?21248 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:57 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 08 2013 05:56 TheYango wrote:
More like play aggressive and crush him, then blame your jungler when you get ganked. this is the csheep playbook on every single mid matchup. Too bad you suck and feed regardless of whether or not the jungler is there. You're a POS.
so tsun <3
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Well, it just sucks in the super lategame to lose one fight and lose 60min of game cuz you can't buyback.
Also it's kinda ironic to call buybacks 'lame' when inhibitors respawn..
but thats just different aspects of different games so w/e
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United States47024 Posts
Losing a lane of rax is actually more punishing in League though, even though inhibs respawn--it's much harder to counterpush super creeps in League, and League has that mechanic where raxing one lane buffs your normal creeps in the other lanes, so losing just one inhib causes creep pressure to go against you in every lane.
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On July 08 2013 07:28 TheYango wrote:
Losing a lane of rax is actually more punishing in League though, even though inhibs respawn--it's much harder to counterpush super creeps in League, and League has that mechanic where raxing one lane buffs your normal creeps in the other lanes, so losing just one inhib causes creep pressure to go against you in every lane.
I would argue to the contrary because you get more money when inhibs are down, vs less in Dota due to the way creeps push. You trade away map control, but in a lot of the scenarios when you lose an inhib, you're not in a particularly good spot to begin with.
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On July 08 2013 07:36 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 07:28 TheYango wrote:
Losing a lane of rax is actually more punishing in League though, even though inhibs respawn--it's much harder to counterpush super creeps in League, and League has that mechanic where raxing one lane buffs your normal creeps in the other lanes, so losing just one inhib causes creep pressure to go against you in every lane. I would argue to the contrary because you get more money when inhibs are down, vs less in Dota due to the way creeps push. You trade away map control, but in a lot of the scenarios when you lose an inhib, you're not in a particularly good spot to begin with.
Arguing against Yango.
GOODLUCK.
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United States37500 Posts
Hurrah for Korea! They obv doing things better in Seoul, amirite?
For TeamLiquid~
Halp and ty.
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