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Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
June 28 2013 20:10 GMT
#4801
On June 29 2013 05:07 Sandster wrote:
^ Not even considering the shield from locket


I think the shield is extremely overrated considering the memory of most people under pressure and the duration but ya, you guys are right, I misremembered the stats from locket pretty badly.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 28 2013 20:13 GMT
#4802
Well to be fair, bad play doesn't make an item bad

But I agree a lot of people just don't buy locket since they'd forget to use it anyway.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 20:20:14
June 28 2013 20:17 GMT
#4803
I still think the most underrated aspect of Locket is how good it actually is in multiples, because while the duration is short, the "half-effect on further lockets" effect is equally short (only 8 seconds)--meaning that a 2nd Locket will pretty much always be just as effective as the first, and a 3rd one will still be useful.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
June 28 2013 20:33 GMT
#4804
On June 29 2013 05:00 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 04:57 Feartheguru wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:51 Sandster wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:45 Feartheguru wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:42 Sandster wrote:
There are a lot of top laners that build tanky, or build 1-2 damage items and then tanky...

Shen, Malphite, Cho, Renekton, Singed, Zac, Irelia, Yorick and many others that haven't been seen as much lately.

Of those, only Zac and maybe Cho are "better" in the jungle since they all want certain items quickly, instead of the Golem/Aegis/Locket that most junglers build due to lower gold.


I'm assuming this is directed at me.

My argument was that if you wanted 1 tanky 1 dmg from jungle and top, you'd want the top to be the dmg one.
Why you think your list of tanky tops is relevant has not dawned on me.


You can have two kinda-tanky guys that both do acceptable damage.

Amumu is a melee champ, and has to have defensive stats. But being paired with those guys lets him more leeway in building damage items instead of being forced to buy bulwark+locket+randuin/FH.

EDIT: ^ Dat Voyboy top lane Annie build.


Ok fair enough, there are situations where'd you want that.


Yeah I was just saying that anytime I pick Amumu our top laner is like "alright got our tank time to go Trynd/Rumble/Jayce/<insert squishy>!"


that works too, because you can easily build full tank and go with your rumble+amumu ult combo or flash ult on a squishy and trynd go rambo

jayce amumu makes less sense, poke+engage watawt
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 28 2013 20:35 GMT
#4805
On June 29 2013 05:33 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 05:00 Sandster wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:57 Feartheguru wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:51 Sandster wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:45 Feartheguru wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:42 Sandster wrote:
There are a lot of top laners that build tanky, or build 1-2 damage items and then tanky...

Shen, Malphite, Cho, Renekton, Singed, Zac, Irelia, Yorick and many others that haven't been seen as much lately.

Of those, only Zac and maybe Cho are "better" in the jungle since they all want certain items quickly, instead of the Golem/Aegis/Locket that most junglers build due to lower gold.


I'm assuming this is directed at me.

My argument was that if you wanted 1 tanky 1 dmg from jungle and top, you'd want the top to be the dmg one.
Why you think your list of tanky tops is relevant has not dawned on me.


You can have two kinda-tanky guys that both do acceptable damage.

Amumu is a melee champ, and has to have defensive stats. But being paired with those guys lets him more leeway in building damage items instead of being forced to buy bulwark+locket+randuin/FH.

EDIT: ^ Dat Voyboy top lane Annie build.


Ok fair enough, there are situations where'd you want that.


Yeah I was just saying that anytime I pick Amumu our top laner is like "alright got our tank time to go Trynd/Rumble/Jayce/<insert squishy>!"


that works too, because you can easily build full tank and go with your rumble+amumu ult combo or flash ult on a squishy and trynd go rambo

jayce amumu makes less sense, poke+engage watawt


Like I said, solo queue and thinking through team comps usually don't go together xD
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
June 28 2013 20:36 GMT
#4806
its workable though, a good cc + jayce e q can annihilate ppl
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 28 2013 20:41 GMT
#4807
amumu jungle + fiora top that goes for hydra = g.g.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 28 2013 20:57 GMT
#4808
On June 29 2013 05:36 Slayer91 wrote:
its workable though, a good cc + jayce e q can annihilate ppl

also counter-initiate on a poke comp, you don't even need bandage
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 28 2013 21:06 GMT
#4809
On June 29 2013 05:35 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 05:33 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 29 2013 05:00 Sandster wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:57 Feartheguru wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:51 Sandster wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:45 Feartheguru wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:42 Sandster wrote:
There are a lot of top laners that build tanky, or build 1-2 damage items and then tanky...

Shen, Malphite, Cho, Renekton, Singed, Zac, Irelia, Yorick and many others that haven't been seen as much lately.

Of those, only Zac and maybe Cho are "better" in the jungle since they all want certain items quickly, instead of the Golem/Aegis/Locket that most junglers build due to lower gold.


I'm assuming this is directed at me.

My argument was that if you wanted 1 tanky 1 dmg from jungle and top, you'd want the top to be the dmg one.
Why you think your list of tanky tops is relevant has not dawned on me.


You can have two kinda-tanky guys that both do acceptable damage.

Amumu is a melee champ, and has to have defensive stats. But being paired with those guys lets him more leeway in building damage items instead of being forced to buy bulwark+locket+randuin/FH.

EDIT: ^ Dat Voyboy top lane Annie build.


Ok fair enough, there are situations where'd you want that.


Yeah I was just saying that anytime I pick Amumu our top laner is like "alright got our tank time to go Trynd/Rumble/Jayce/<insert squishy>!"


that works too, because you can easily build full tank and go with your rumble+amumu ult combo or flash ult on a squishy and trynd go rambo

jayce amumu makes less sense, poke+engage watawt


Like I said, solo queue and thinking through team comps usually don't go together xD

Yeah all this talk about farm allocation makes me say 2 things:
1- that's for organised play, soloQ has no idea about that (the number of players who actually alter their behaviour when somebody says "I need gold to complete X item before next fight" is super low, even more when it's a support saying it)
2- Hecarim's a jungler, people say he's super powerful when farmed, aren't those antithetic then? Nope, because he only has to find farm somehow.

I'd say the best way to make farm allocation work one way or the other in soloQ is to have champs on which farm is desirable with good farming capability, and to play aggressive and take towers as soon as you can, convincing the laners thus "freed up" to rotate. Once the outer ring is down, you free up a bunch of the map and since the enemy team will most likely react to you that'll create opportunities to farm big waves in empty lanes. Then, you send your good farmers nuke them and get back to the team.
Hecarim's good for this because he's a pretty strong duelist early, with efficient ganks to get your lanes ahead (since you can't kill towers as efficiently than in organised play, snowballing is the best way to create later opportunities) and the ability to AoE farm fast through Q and W. So you just torch your jungle, gank everywhere you get a good opportunity (esp. when ult is available) and focus on killing towers fast. You're super mobile with your E too, so going to a sidelane then back to the team when people are about to group isn't a problem. And then you're farmed.

(Same reason Morgana, Swain, etc. kinda suck when teams start grouping super early >_<)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:22:42
June 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#4810
On June 29 2013 06:06 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 05:35 Sandster wrote:
On June 29 2013 05:33 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 29 2013 05:00 Sandster wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:57 Feartheguru wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:51 Sandster wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:45 Feartheguru wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:42 Sandster wrote:
There are a lot of top laners that build tanky, or build 1-2 damage items and then tanky...

Shen, Malphite, Cho, Renekton, Singed, Zac, Irelia, Yorick and many others that haven't been seen as much lately.

Of those, only Zac and maybe Cho are "better" in the jungle since they all want certain items quickly, instead of the Golem/Aegis/Locket that most junglers build due to lower gold.


I'm assuming this is directed at me.

My argument was that if you wanted 1 tanky 1 dmg from jungle and top, you'd want the top to be the dmg one.
Why you think your list of tanky tops is relevant has not dawned on me.


You can have two kinda-tanky guys that both do acceptable damage.

Amumu is a melee champ, and has to have defensive stats. But being paired with those guys lets him more leeway in building damage items instead of being forced to buy bulwark+locket+randuin/FH.

EDIT: ^ Dat Voyboy top lane Annie build.


Ok fair enough, there are situations where'd you want that.


Yeah I was just saying that anytime I pick Amumu our top laner is like "alright got our tank time to go Trynd/Rumble/Jayce/<insert squishy>!"


that works too, because you can easily build full tank and go with your rumble+amumu ult combo or flash ult on a squishy and trynd go rambo

jayce amumu makes less sense, poke+engage watawt


Like I said, solo queue and thinking through team comps usually don't go together xD

Yeah all this talk about farm allocation makes me say 2 things:
1- that's for organised play, soloQ has no idea about that (the number of players who actually alter their behaviour when somebody says "I need gold to complete X item before next fight" is super low, even more when it's a support saying it)

Not really.
Farm allocation is the polite way of saying it.


I've played greedy support before and cleaned up lanes plenty. Certainly you can do it on a jungler.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
June 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#4811
In solo q you don't need to worry about "allocated farm" because you just run to whatevr lane and farm it and go farm your jungle and bam you're easily as farmed as a laner unless your laners somehow never die (or leave to gank) in which case you probably win anyway
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:32:30
June 28 2013 21:32 GMT
#4812
Well, junglers do come to whatever lane but it's really annoying when I'm freezing my lane and trying to make my lane opponent have 15 minions or so by 20 minutes and the jerk jungler comes to "push the turret". So please think a little before you just "tax lanes".
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:33:14
June 28 2013 21:32 GMT
#4813
People are incapable of just backing the fuck up and must always go for nexus so they can throw. Jesus Christ I want to purge this planet right now.

On June 29 2013 06:32 Shikyo wrote:
Well, junglers do come to whatever lane but it's really annoying when I'm freezing my lane and trying to make my lane opponent have 15 minions or so by 20 minutes and the jerk jungler comes to PUSH THE TURRET. So please think a little before you just "tax lanes".


Junglers that "tax lanes" are the worst kind of scum. Do so much work to come back in lane only to have jungle come and help "push lane" taking all the farm leaving me behind again after all that effort
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
June 28 2013 21:35 GMT
#4814
quit gettin' mad at video games

just think of poor decisions by teammates as a handicap to show how good you are
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 28 2013 21:39 GMT
#4815
On June 29 2013 06:35 Clinic wrote:
quit gettin' mad at video games

just think of poor decisions by teammates as a handicap to show how good you are


It normally doesn't effect me since I only care about myself(huehuehue) but I think this is the 10th lategame that we have come back from to throw by greed I've had even after shouting at guys to back. No buyback in LoL means you can't be greedy at all in lategame.
Spaiku
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:52:44
June 28 2013 21:48 GMT
#4816
On June 29 2013 06:32 Numy wrote:
Junglers that "tax lanes" are the worst kind of scum. Do so much work to come back in lane only to have jungle come and help "push lane" taking all the farm leaving me behind again after all that effort

If you get a kill in lane or go one for one having the jungler to help you push the lane doesn't leave you behind at all.

Would you rather share 10 cs with your jungler to push to the tower, denying your opponent gold and experience plus putting damage in the tower, or take the 10 cs yourself and your opponent don't miss anything significant?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 28 2013 21:55 GMT
#4817
Going off topic here.... can anyone recommend me a cellphone company? I need a new smartphone + plan (with contracts probably?).... Toronto area.....

+ Show Spoiler +
I want to get one because of my new job.
+ Show Spoiler +
New job = more monies = more skins
+ Show Spoiler +
Thus it's totally LoL related.


https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 28 2013 21:57 GMT
#4818
On June 29 2013 06:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Going off topic here.... can anyone recommend me a cellphone company? I need a new smartphone + plan (with contracts probably?).... Toronto area.....

+ Show Spoiler +
I want to get one because of my new job.
+ Show Spoiler +
New job = more monies = more skins
+ Show Spoiler +
Thus it's totally LoL related.




Honor for justifying being off topic.
Jaedong :3
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 28 2013 21:58 GMT
#4819
On June 29 2013 06:57 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 06:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Going off topic here.... can anyone recommend me a cellphone company? I need a new smartphone + plan (with contracts probably?).... Toronto area.....

+ Show Spoiler +
I want to get one because of my new job.
+ Show Spoiler +
New job = more monies = more skins
+ Show Spoiler +
Thus it's totally LoL related.




Honor for justifying being off topic.


=D

TBH I donno where to ask. It was either here, Tech Support (which is a little fishy), or a blog.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 28 2013 21:58 GMT
#4820
I just played three games at 5 FPS~10 FPS.

Fionn New Laptop Fund 2013.
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