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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:12 kongoline wrote: first pick insta locks amumu: who wants to play amumu ? And then support Amumu. Same thing happens with Shen too. Of course, then sometimes it works because the enemy is shit and people actually think it's legit and I cry a bit. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 29 2013 01:56 FSKi wrote: When I say OP I am generalizing the idea that my team mates always pick champions that are the lowest tier, while the enemy team seems to always have 5 tier 1 champions. Its by no means a "secret list." Some champions are just better than others in the current game. For example, they don't understand they can counter jungle amumu and they ban him. They dont understand how to play against blitz, so they ban him. I don't like when people ban shit because they don't know how to play. I'd rather them ban things that you can't necessarily play around. Um, I ban stuff that I don't want to play against. I ban Ryze because, unless there's a lot of coordination, it's hard to shut him down. I ban Blitz sometimes if I think it might be a problem. Same with TF and many other champs. Blaming it on allies picking "low tier" champs is foolish. I play Karma regularly. Last season, I had 100% win rate with Heimer for 18 games at Platinum level. I mained Viktor S2, and still play him a lot. Instead of crying about your teammates, how bout you look at your own play and figure out how you can actually make your team win. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:12 kongoline wrote: first pick insta locks amumu: who wants to play amumu ? Few things in this game make me legit rage, this is one of them. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
also, amumu isn't not op because youcan "counter jungle him" he's not op because he's not op, but he's a strong initiator and if people are playing lots of squishy trying to "carry bads" then yeah he's going to get stronger | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:25 Slayer91 wrote: why would you rage, you don't have to play him also, amumu isn't not op because youcan "counter jungle him" he's not op because he's not op, but he's a strong initiator and if people are playing lots of squishy trying to "carry bads" then yeah he's going to get stronger Just the assumption that he should be immediately picked even if no one wants him is really obnoxious is all. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Yeah he's ban worthy in bronze and silver. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
You really just ban things that you either don't want to play against, or that not banning will make your team rage. The actual impact of "OP" heroes in solo queue is far less than people state because the spread of skill between the players in a game tends to be larger than in a competitive game where relative champ strength would matter. Really I think people worry too much about individual OP champs in solo queue, and not enough about teamcomps. Obviously you can't control the draft, but there are ways that your single pick can make the teamcomp better in ways that will affect your winning. | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:09 TheYango wrote: I'd say that's more likely the effect of a small percentage of outliers. It's not so much that a small decrease in ping makes you play somewhat better, more than the fact that in lower leagues, you're more likely to bump into people with absolutely abysmal (e.g. 250+) pings playing from a bad connection or halfway across the world. I agree that small ping decreases making you play better is not the best explanation. I just think it's interesting that the each league has progressively lower average ping. Even gold league is still the top ~10% of players so I don't know how much it would be effected by those outliers. That's probably a good explanation for the gap between bronze and silver being larger than the others. The gap between challenger and diamond is also larger than the others, but challenger is only 50 people and many of them are pros who live close to the servers because of lcs. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
ban seju instead amu imo. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 29 2013 01:49 Drium wrote: Elophant tracks average ping by league and ping steadily decreases as league goes up. http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tier?region=all&period=month Well... Did they have the same statistics back when Koreans played in NA? On June 29 2013 02:33 Mensol wrote: sejuani is ten times better than amumu. ban seju instead amu imo. Yup I don't get the amu love. Sejuani has a much better ult than Amumu, she has a better leap, she has more dmg, she has more CC... | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:33 Mensol wrote: sejuani is ten times better than amumu. ban seju instead amu imo. I remember jungling Amumu vs Sej once. I was like "wtf am I doing playing this champion?" We won fairly easily, because for whatever reason every time I pick Amumu my team plays well, but still...it really made me consider giving up Amumu for good after that, just looking at what Sej does vs me with the same items. Ever since hitting gold I've seen Amumu mostly unbanned and unpicked now, which makes sense. Sejuani is a solo queue terror though, even after nerfs. She has like a 1500+ range gank with her gap closer + ult, not to mention superb teamfighting. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
I ban the most random shit (and Cho'Gath, because fuck him), just to get the other team to pick stuff they suck with. Worked quite often, I used to get cussed out a lot in champ select for it, but whatever. Just ban what you have problems with, bans are so insignificant even where I am (Gold), that it really does not matter. Edit: Also Sej WAYYYY better. Ult is a stun instead of a root, she can easily bypass terrain, do AOE damage in the jungle with a one time cost skill (instead of continuous mana), a NASTY slow, and is a monster late game. On June 29 2013 02:40 TheYango wrote: It's hard to say Sejuani has the better leap. It's easier to hit, is AoE, and does % max HP damage, but the fact that Amumu's Bandage Toss range is almost double Arctic Assault's is kind of a big deal. I think the ability that does not require hitting a target is always better. Can be used as a legit escape when nothing is around, can bypass terrain anywhere, etc. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
people love to dive and one bad positioning made you lost game, in short: dash too strong. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote: I remember jungling Amumu vs Sej once. I was like "wtf am I doing playing this champion?" We won fairly easily, because for whatever reason every time I pick Amumu my team plays well, but still...it really made me consider giving up Amumu for good after that, just looking at what Sej does vs me with the same items. Ever since hitting gold I've seen Amumu mostly unbanned and unpicked now, which makes sense. Sejuani is a solo queue terror though, even after nerfs. She has like a 1500+ range gank with her gap closer + ult, not to mention superb teamfighting. I don't like the comparison because I don't think they really fill the same role. Amumu's kit has always been someone deceptive to people--he's not really a 4th position defensive/supportive hero you expect out of most junglers (and which Sejuani's kit fits much better). You actually have to farm him a bit and expect him to be a damage dealer. He only jungles because there's no lane where you'd expect to put him and have him reliably do well, and he jungles really fast. We've pretty much always known that a farmed Amumu with AP damage items was extremely powerful--less so after the nerfs, but its still generally the route most suitable for him. Obviously if you play him as a worse Sejuani, he'll feel like a worse Sejuani. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
I don't think you can even build Sej like that if you wanted to. Either way, I do agree that solo queue bans are often pointless. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:47 TheYango wrote: I don't like the comparison because I don't think they really fill the same role. Amumu's kit has always been someone deceptive to people--he's not really a 4th position defensive/supportive hero you expect out of most junglers (and which Sejuani's kit fits much better). You actually have to farm him a bit and expect him to be a damage dealer. He only jungles because there's no lane where you'd expect to put him and have him reliably do well, and he jungles really fast. We've pretty much always known that a farmed Amumu with AP damage items was extremely powerful--less so after the nerfs, but its still generally the route most suitable for him. Obviously if you play him as a worse Sejuani, he'll feel like a worse Sejuani. FWIW, I've played tanky AP mummy mid a few times, and it's really powerful. Just the fact that he gets free defenses from his passive AND E makes him a pain to deal with sometimes. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:47 TheYango wrote: I don't like the comparison because I don't think they really fill the same role. Amumu's kit has always been someone deceptive to people--he's not really a 4th position defensive/supportive hero you expect out of most junglers (and which Sejuani's kit fits much better). You actually have to farm him a bit and expect him to be a damage dealer. He only jungles because there's no lane where you'd expect to put him and have him reliably do well, and he jungles really fast. We've pretty much always known that a farmed Amumu with AP damage items was extremely powerful--less so after the nerfs, but its still generally the route most suitable for him. Obviously if you play him as a worse Sejuani, he'll feel like a worse Sejuani. Wait this is the same mummy that builds pretty much pure tank and even takes armor quints right? That mummy? I haven't seen an Amumu build anything AP aside for Abyssal in FOREVER. Amumu picks also scream "COUNTER JUNGLE ME!". When someone picks it, I just laugh and pick Noc and live in his jungle. Sej while weak early, is no where near that level of counter able, as if you catch her i n the jungle she can just Q over whatever wall is close, while Amumu needs to find a minion for his escape. Edit: They literally fill the same role. Initiator tank jungles. Sure one may have more damage than the other. But is Xin not initiator tank because he does more damage than J4? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:50 Diamond wrote: Wait this is the same mummy that builds pretty much pure tank and even takes armor quints right? That mummy? I haven't seen an Amumu build anything AP aside for Abyssal in FOREVER. You also probably haven't seen an Amumu get lane farm aggressively enough for it to work since the time when "gank tax" was a thing. | ||
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