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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It's that he's weak as hell early on and in the modern jungle if you aren't a badass at levels 2 and 3 you're going to get walked on. Which may be why he is consistently banned at lower elo, people don't understand there how to safely deny Amumu farm. They just see Amumu come out of the jungle at level 16 and tear faces off. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:38 Shikyo wrote: You say Sejuani ult range is 1175, I say Sejuani ult range is more like 1425 or something. It explodes even without contact. Then there's the thing that Amumu's 100% reliant on his bandage hitting while Sejuani doesn't give a shit. Or having flash up. Can't believe fabby got so famous lol. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:38 Shikyo wrote: You say Sejuani ult range is 1175, I say Sejuani ult range is more like 1425 or something. It explodes even without contact. Then there's the thing that Amumu's 100% reliant on his bandage hitting while Sejuani doesn't give a shit. This is true, also allows you to brick an ult and still get someone with the slow for the permafrost. On June 29 2013 03:41 Ketara wrote: I think the big issue Amumu has is not how amazing he is late game, because he truly is terrifying late game. It's that he's weak as hell early on and in the modern jungle if you aren't a badass at levels 2 and 3 you're going to get walked on. Which may be why he is consistently banned at lower elo, people don't understand there how to safely deny Amumu farm. They just see Amumu come out of the jungle at level 16 and tear faces off. Me and my IRL friend discuss this, we came to the conclusion that most low elo players just don't keep up on the meta and play an old ass version of it. I did not stop seeing Morg bans in Silver until League Of Cleavers, despite her being out of the meta for roughly ever. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:49 kainzero wrote: I disagree that Sej does more damage. I played a game against a fed Amumu that built AP, and he hit me with bandage toss for half my health. I don't think you can even build Sej like that if you wanted to. Either way, I do agree that solo queue bans are often pointless. Abyssal/Sunfire/Liandry Sej is fucking nasty. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:44 Diamond wrote: This is true, also allows you to brick an ult and still get someone with the slow for the permafrost. Me and my IRL friend discuss this, we came to the conclusion that most low elo players just don't keep up on the meta and play an old ass version of it. I did not stop seeing Morg bans in Silver until League Of Cleavers, despite her being out of the meta for roughly ever. It has always taken time for the meta to "trickle down" to lower elos. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
Amumu does more damage than sejuani for sure (same burst, much much more dps with his w) and has consistently had a 55% win rate in ranked at all level. That said, sejuani is probably better right now. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:38 Shikyo wrote: You say Sejuani ult range is 1175, I say Sejuani ult range is more like 1425 or something. It explodes even without contact. Then there's the thing that Amumu's 100% reliant on his bandage hitting while Sejuani doesn't give a shit. It doesn't stun unless it makes contact. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Serious. Actually people when I was there would buy like Ezreal or Cait. It just that people are all like out buying the newest FOTM champs like, back in the day I think it was Talon. I escaped that ELO before the modern nubkillers like Darius and Rengar were released, thankfully, but I assume that those champs were spammed like hell on release. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:48 Feartheguru wrote: Amumu is not that weak early on. People WAYYYYYYYY overestimate how much people counterjungle and how much the current jungle allows it. I swear of the 300 ranked games this season in low plat there's maybe 10 where one of the junglers got abused?? Blue invades are rare and rarely successful once you get to a reasonable level. Getting your red stolen is not the end of the world, it's honestly a minor nuisance. People respond to invades well and it's very rare to see someone get killed in the jungle early. The current jungle is just not very conductive to being able to completely shut the other jungler down. Amumu does more damage than sejuani for sure (same burst, much much more dps with his w) and has consistently had a 55% win rate in ranked at all level. That said, sejuani is probably better right now. Play some games as Mummy vs a good Noc, Shyv, Udyr, or whomever. They will make you the saddest mummy of all time. He's got no defense levels 2 and 3 vs someone like that aside for the panic flash or banage to another camp to run. Even if he escapes you just steal his shit. Then it becomes one of the Top 3 (I think, don't quote me on that) slows at 90%, which can be followed up with a slow that's between 50 and 70%. That's pretty good, ranged The Box basically. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:52 Diamond wrote: Play some games as Mummy vs a good Noc, Shyv, Udyr, or whomever. They will make you the saddest mummy of all time. He's got no defense levels 2 and 3 vs someone like that aside for the panic flash or banage to another camp to run. Even if he escapes you just steal his shit. Then it becomes one of the Top 3 (I think, don't quote me on that) slows at 90%, which can be followed up with a slow that's between 50 and 70%. That's pretty good, ranged The Box basically. I've played plenty of amumu games (I'm assuming people in plat fit into your definition of good, unless you are actually diamond and people are a lot better), and was not sad anymore than with any other champ. It doesn't matter that you have no escapes, you just keep a normal 600ish distance so that they can't take anything while you wait for a team member to come and help, it's not very hard. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: It has always taken time for the meta to "trickle down" to lower elos. It's not so much the "meta trickling down" so much as it being irrelevant at a certain level. You can view it as each tier of play has its own meta that may or may not be influenced by each other. People lack the basic understanding of why stuff works at a certain level of play to actually implement it in their own play so they implement what they do understand. That also means their own implementations are often stronger than some kind of stolen idea that isn't understood. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:55 Feartheguru wrote: I've played plenty of amumu games (I'm assuming people in plat fit into your definition of good, unless you are actually diamond and people are a lot better), and was not sad anymore than with any other champ. Idk what they are doing then. How do you survive and win vs someone like Noc? You have 0 ability to fight him, 0 ability to outrun him (sans Flash or money bandage), etc. I'm curious. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
EDIT - TIL my amumu % is 83.3% :D with only 6 games though lol | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:56 Diamond wrote: Idk what they are doing then. How do you survive and win vs someone like Noc? You have 0 ability to fight him, 0 ability to outrun him (sans Flash or money bandage), etc. I'm curious. I just edited into my previous post but I'll write it again. If you see someone come (most likely as you're doing red), you just keep a medium distance. Like a ranged ad's autoattack distance. If he comes closer you move back a little. What can he do? Can't take your buff, can't kill you. Eventually a teammates comes and he has to go. Bam he's way behind now. I think this is why by high gold low plat, there's hardly any early counterjungling, so easy to shut down. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:52 Diamond wrote: Play some games as Mummy vs a good Noc, Shyv, Udyr, or whomever. They will make you the saddest mummy of all time. He's got no defense levels 2 and 3 vs someone like that aside for the panic flash or banage to another camp to run. Even if he escapes you just steal his shit. Then it becomes one of the Top 3 (I think, don't quote me on that) slows at 90%, which can be followed up with a slow that's between 50 and 70%. That's pretty good, ranged The Box basically. the risk of invading is always that you get collapsed on and killed, even if your team comes they can sneak a kill and escape most of the time, you don't win 1v1's THAT hard and you don't have anything to get out but flash you might see a red-->red invade and hope to catch him low hp, but theres zero difference between amumu and naut/sejuani/maokai etc in this situation. also if he goes straight to red you won't even be able to catch him unawares unless you do blue-->red which has no chasing potential | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Max rank Q with some CDR is both a chase/peel tool and his primary burst. He *can* do a lot of damage if given a chance, but most people see Amumu and go "oh ok we got our tank/initator covered, I'll pick Trynd top now". Honestly full tank Amumu late game is only useful for initiation (/Randuin or FH slow) and bandage peels, and people wonder why he falls off. EDIT: And if you play a weak jungler against someone with strong invade potential, it's pretty easy to ask for a ward covering the entrance and ping lanes to collapse. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Why get rylais when you can just get CDR and q? The slow is useless if you get cc'd but an extra Q will always close the gap. Spectral is kinda dumb, you are a tank so why are you getting spell vamp, its good for snowballing early on but later on its not going to do anything. abyssal/liandries are the best dps mumu items, because he scales so well off mpen, but id argue you want them as last items or something and not first items. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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