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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
June 26 2013 00:44 GMT
#4141
On June 26 2013 09:31 Eishi_Ki wrote:
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On June 26 2013 09:16 caelym wrote:
So Bjergsen... Fuck you.

jkjkjkjk

extinkt is really good addition. I think the other 2 swaps are somewhat even trades. And while I understand it's mostly artificial hype, there was something really cool about having the entire team from Denmark and representing it in the EU LCS (like MYM does for Spain).



Are MYM not Polish?

You're right. Old MYM was all Spanish, the latest iteration is all Polish.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 00:53:57
June 26 2013 00:47 GMT
#4142
Does anyone know where I can find information for the MLG non-LCS stuff? Right now all I know is that bobqin's team is playing but no idea who else is

http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/2013_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Championship/Qualifiers answered my own question, thanks google senpai >///<
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
June 26 2013 01:05 GMT
#4143
On June 26 2013 09:36 cLutZ wrote:
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On June 26 2013 09:31 kongoline wrote:
inb4 free RP for NA and nothing for eu-w


Finally. I need to saved up for special weapons udyr or w/e it is.


Tiger Stance = Udyr with fist weapons
Turtle = Turns into a tank
Bear = Running around with tasers
Phoenix = Flame thrower

I'd play that.
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
June 26 2013 01:23 GMT
#4144
On June 26 2013 08:35 cLutZ wrote:
For me, the reason for the BOTRK>IE build is my lack of Life Steal Quints. I don't think I would have such a heavy need for the early vamp otherwise, and just sitting on a vamp until your complete IE, PD feels idiotic.

I've been going BoRK-->IE on adcs as well, because the power curve is just so smooth. Bot lane can have awkward blue pill timings, so the fact that every component of BoRK costs 400g makes it unlikely that you'll have a bad buy before the final combine -- at which point you'll have a cutlass anyway, for which the flat damage active is relatively stronger the earlier in the game you get it.

Once you complete the BorK your power and utility both jump up, putting you in a good place for mid-game teamfights and making it less likely you'll get forced into a bad fight because you were saving up 1550 for a BF.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 01:50:05
June 26 2013 01:47 GMT
#4145
IE is just too good on some ADCs to delay with a BortK imo. Lifesteal quints and just playing smart make it really easy for Caitlyn, Ashe, or Tristana to just rush IE. It actually makes me kind of angry when I see a Cait or Trist on my team or the enemy team that builds BT or BotrK as first item as I don't feel it's optimal or takes advantage of their strengths at all.

Most of the other ADCs in the game typically like BT more than BortK because they have crazy good AD scaling. If everyone wasn't playing blue Ez always I could see BortK being a solid first item on him since it adds to his chasing and kiting potential. BortK is decent on Vayne too imo because you get free AD from her ult and she scales really well with just straight AS not to mention the healing you get from BortK active might make up for the lack of lifesteal you don't have from rushing BT.

I think BortK is probably the best item to get first if you're behind in bot lane (like if you or your support have fed a few kills or you can't CS for some reason). But I think it's generally optimal to go IE or BT first even if it means an awkward back. Frankly though once you get good at ADC you shouldn't need to back if you can't afford to buy items unless something crazy is going on like ganks and stuff. Even in those situations you can typically pick up boots or something.

edit:
BortK might be a stronger mid game item than IE/BT. So if your team comp wanted to abuse a superior mid game I could see it being a solid pick up but there's almost no way BortK rush > IE/BT rush when it comes to late game.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 26 2013 01:49 GMT
#4146
On June 26 2013 10:47 overt wrote:
IE is just too good on some ADCs to delay with a BortK imo. Lifesteal quints and just playing smart make it really easy for Caitlyn, Ashe, or Tristana to just rush IE. It actually makes me kind of angry when I see a Cait or Trist on my team or the enemy team that builds BT or BotrK as first item as I don't feel it's optimal or takes advantage of their strengths at all.

Most of the other ADCs in the game typically like BT more than BortK because they have crazy good AD scaling. If everyone wasn't playing blue Ez always I could see BortK being a solid first item on him since it adds to his chasing and kiting potential. BortK is decent on Vayne too imo because you get free AD from her ult and she scales really well with just straight AS not to mention the healing you get from BortK active might make up for the lack of lifesteal you don't have from rushing BT.

I think BortK is probably the best item to get first if you're behind in bot lane (like if you or your support have fed a few kills or you can't CS for some reason). But I think it's generally optimal to go IE or BT first even if it means an awkward back. Frankly though once you get good at ADC you shouldn't need to back if you can't afford to buy items unless something crazy is going on like ganks and stuff. Even in those situations you can typically pick up boots or something.

wouldn't BoRtK scale harder on champs with a natural AS steroid?
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
June 26 2013 01:51 GMT
#4147
Does anyone have further information on Freeze, the new AD carry for NiP? I've read that Edward thinks very highly of him, but I've never heard of him before, and would like to watch some of his games.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 01:55:31
June 26 2013 01:54 GMT
#4148
On June 26 2013 10:49 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 10:47 overt wrote:
IE is just too good on some ADCs to delay with a BortK imo. Lifesteal quints and just playing smart make it really easy for Caitlyn, Ashe, or Tristana to just rush IE. It actually makes me kind of angry when I see a Cait or Trist on my team or the enemy team that builds BT or BotrK as first item as I don't feel it's optimal or takes advantage of their strengths at all.

Most of the other ADCs in the game typically like BT more than BortK because they have crazy good AD scaling. If everyone wasn't playing blue Ez always I could see BortK being a solid first item on him since it adds to his chasing and kiting potential. BortK is decent on Vayne too imo because you get free AD from her ult and she scales really well with just straight AS not to mention the healing you get from BortK active might make up for the lack of lifesteal you don't have from rushing BT.

I think BortK is probably the best item to get first if you're behind in bot lane (like if you or your support have fed a few kills or you can't CS for some reason). But I think it's generally optimal to go IE or BT first even if it means an awkward back. Frankly though once you get good at ADC you shouldn't need to back if you can't afford to buy items unless something crazy is going on like ganks and stuff. Even in those situations you can typically pick up boots or something.

wouldn't BoRtK scale harder on champs with a natural AS steroid?


Bork works on 2 champs:kog and vayne(and honestly ie is better in some situations for kog).They need the extra peeling tool and have an ability that scales with attack speed.Bork is a good 1 damage item and you shouldn't get it on an ad unless the enemy has someone with 1 who will rape you if you don't have one(or at least a cutlass).I really don't understand people who get it first on any other ad.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 26 2013 01:58 GMT
#4149
On June 26 2013 10:49 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 10:47 overt wrote:
IE is just too good on some ADCs to delay with a BortK imo. Lifesteal quints and just playing smart make it really easy for Caitlyn, Ashe, or Tristana to just rush IE. It actually makes me kind of angry when I see a Cait or Trist on my team or the enemy team that builds BT or BotrK as first item as I don't feel it's optimal or takes advantage of their strengths at all.

Most of the other ADCs in the game typically like BT more than BortK because they have crazy good AD scaling. If everyone wasn't playing blue Ez always I could see BortK being a solid first item on him since it adds to his chasing and kiting potential. BortK is decent on Vayne too imo because you get free AD from her ult and she scales really well with just straight AS not to mention the healing you get from BortK active might make up for the lack of lifesteal you don't have from rushing BT.

I think BortK is probably the best item to get first if you're behind in bot lane (like if you or your support have fed a few kills or you can't CS for some reason). But I think it's generally optimal to go IE or BT first even if it means an awkward back. Frankly though once you get good at ADC you shouldn't need to back if you can't afford to buy items unless something crazy is going on like ganks and stuff. Even in those situations you can typically pick up boots or something.

wouldn't BoRtK scale harder on champs with a natural AS steroid?


Probably. BortK is just weird though because it gives you very little AD, good AS, and good lifesteal. The passive is good and the active is great. But IE and BT both fit into a late game 6 item build way better. An item like PD or Shiv is pretty much non-negotiable in your 6 item build so is LW. That takes up two spots already. At some point you are going to want IE or BT on every ADC and if the game goes longer than after you have 6 items you would likely sell BortK to make room for both IE and BT (assuming your sixth item is a defensive one).

BortK just doesn't work that well if you're trying to go for a strong late game build imo. It's great if you get behind since you can assemble the pieces together slowly while you try to catch up in CS and still be useful. It's probably the single best item for you to get if your team wants to abuse a superior mid game and you'd only have the gold for one or one and a half items by that point.

KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 02:07:19
June 26 2013 02:05 GMT
#4150
On June 26 2013 03:51 nafta wrote:
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On June 26 2013 03:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cho is actually really easy to mid with, and also really fun to play. All of my friends who I get into LoL, I recommend Cho Gath for sure. There's a lot of things you don't understand when you're low, but you can understand walking around like you're Godzilla.


I played only cho till lvl 20 excluding first game(jax) :D.

http://op.gg/mmr/ This is kinda interesting but dunno if accurate.



Well I ran a few checks with it. So I basically duo q with plat friends because I prefer their games (more difficult but a lot less derp than say low gold). I check my MMR (KissBlade) and compared it to my other gold 5 friends (some with better win/loss) and it sniffs out mine as 1600+ MMR while my gold 5 friends normally seems to sit around 1400 so there's that.

To reference, if I solo q into ranked now, I'm always the only gold 5 or sometimes only gold on my team while the rest are plats or gold 1's. (With the occasional diamond 5). I'm just curious how the heck that site can measure your MMR though.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
June 26 2013 02:08 GMT
#4151
You can better check your rating by quickfind.kassa.din when your ingame.
dottycakes
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada548 Posts
June 26 2013 02:12 GMT
#4152
On June 26 2013 11:05 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:51 nafta wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cho is actually really easy to mid with, and also really fun to play. All of my friends who I get into LoL, I recommend Cho Gath for sure. There's a lot of things you don't understand when you're low, but you can understand walking around like you're Godzilla.


I played only cho till lvl 20 excluding first game(jax) :D.

http://op.gg/mmr/ This is kinda interesting but dunno if accurate.



Well I ran a few checks with it. So I basically duo q with plat friends because I prefer their games (more difficult but a lot less derp than say low gold). I check my MMR (KissBlade) and compared it to my other gold 5 friends (some with better win/loss) and it sniffs out mine as 1600+ MMR while my gold 5 friends normally seems to sit around 1400 so there's that.

To reference, if I solo q into ranked now, I'm always the only gold 5 or sometimes only gold on my team while the rest are plats or gold 1's. (With the occasional diamond 5). I'm just curious how the heck that site can measure your MMR though.


The average mmr of the team is visible so the site prolly just takes the average of your past 5 games, so still an estimate.
Duo queueing will also skew the mmr then.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 26 2013 02:47 GMT
#4153
Watching crs stream and cop goes bt>zeal>lw on trist lol.....Saint throwing as usual too.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
June 26 2013 02:52 GMT
#4154
Crs' communication is kind of alarming. Half the time Saint is too busy bitching about someone's suboptimal play instead of making the call to capitalize on mistakes and get free kills. Too bad Edward's english is still mediocre, it seems like he's in a much better position to make calls now.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 26 2013 02:59 GMT
#4155
On June 26 2013 11:12 dottycakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 11:05 KissBlade wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:51 nafta wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cho is actually really easy to mid with, and also really fun to play. All of my friends who I get into LoL, I recommend Cho Gath for sure. There's a lot of things you don't understand when you're low, but you can understand walking around like you're Godzilla.


I played only cho till lvl 20 excluding first game(jax) :D.

http://op.gg/mmr/ This is kinda interesting but dunno if accurate.



Well I ran a few checks with it. So I basically duo q with plat friends because I prefer their games (more difficult but a lot less derp than say low gold). I check my MMR (KissBlade) and compared it to my other gold 5 friends (some with better win/loss) and it sniffs out mine as 1600+ MMR while my gold 5 friends normally seems to sit around 1400 so there's that.

To reference, if I solo q into ranked now, I'm always the only gold 5 or sometimes only gold on my team while the rest are plats or gold 1's. (With the occasional diamond 5). I'm just curious how the heck that site can measure your MMR though.


The average mmr of the team is visible so the site prolly just takes the average of your past 5 games, so still an estimate.
Duo queueing will also skew the mmr then.

Honestly, I really don't know if this site is accurate or not. I'm in my promos for gold 4 right now and I'm at 1462 mmr apparently, but my friend who literally just got into gold today, after failing his gold promos 2 times before is at ~1600 mmr. That just makes absolutely no sense to me, and now I feel bad about my mmr
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
June 26 2013 03:16 GMT
#4156
On June 26 2013 09:47 Dusty wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find information for the MLG non-LCS stuff? Right now all I know is that bobqin's team is playing but no idea who else is

http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/2013_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Championship/Qualifiers answered my own question, thanks google senpai >///<



seriously riot need to stop this LCS long term tournament crap, we have dreamhack and MLG and i wish for cross region competition like IPL5 but with these big event and big teams not playing for glory at that event seems stupid
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 26 2013 03:20 GMT
#4157
On June 26 2013 12:16 justiceknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 09:47 Dusty wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find information for the MLG non-LCS stuff? Right now all I know is that bobqin's team is playing but no idea who else is

http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/2013_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Championship/Qualifiers answered my own question, thanks google senpai >///<



seriously riot need to stop this LCS long term tournament crap, we have dreamhack and MLG and i wish for cross region competition like IPL5 but with these big event and big teams not playing for glory at that event seems stupid

You'll get that...at Worlds lol.

Think about it though, everyone is foaming at the mouth for cross-region competition, it's gonna make the hype for the finals even greater.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 26 2013 03:22 GMT
#4158
On June 26 2013 03:49 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
First champ I ever played was Morgana. Played her vs bots with a friend (we both had DotA experience), was a bunch of fun. Subsequently moved on to Teemo in normals, still a spawn of Satan today.

Think mine was Chogath or Nasus.. not really sure.
one of the two though. Waaaay back in beta so i dont remember lol
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
June 26 2013 03:25 GMT
#4159
I wish there were a stat of how often solo queue teams surrender when they're ahead in gold. I feel like the results could be surprisingly hilarious.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
June 26 2013 03:29 GMT
#4160
Gold lead is only of minor importance in the grand scheme of things. Up 20k and lose one team fight at lategame? You lose. Lose a teamfight that would result in the end of game and still up 100g? Surrendering wouldn't have mattered, just saved a few seconds.
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