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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 31 2013 14:43 GMT
#4401
Overt's comment was indeed a bit weird, don't know if he actually watches the show but Wheat is right, they do cover League and FGC.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
May 31 2013 14:45 GMT
#4402
On May 31 2013 23:01 obesechicken13 wrote:
I'm playing Kayle again if wits gets buffed. Mostly to try Malady and Wits.

I don't know why they released Botrk (on hit) and nerfed wits when Botrk provides lifesteal. It's not like on hit didn't already have glaring weaknesses.


Malady is being removed, the effects (magic shred and % of your AP on-hit) are being split between Wit's and Nashor's.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14040 Posts
May 31 2013 14:49 GMT
#4403
Who the fuck names an all female team pms? Was anyone in that meeting at all when that was decided?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 31 2013 14:52 GMT
#4404
On May 31 2013 23:33 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 22:14 Vlanitak wrote:
So question about this whole MMR thing
My friend, in silver 1, places against high gold (1-2tier) and low plats (5-4). If the system is as I understand this is because he has won enough that his MMR is higher than what silver 1 would imply, and hence gets queued against people closer to his MMR. But what I dont get is why he gains +5 for winning and -20 for losing. if the MMR thing is correct should these numbers be a lot closer?


Riot calls it "clamping", when you're about to be promoted to a new league your LP gains slow down to ensure that you actually belong in the new league, since you can't be demoted from there. Basically his MMR has to be mid-Gold before getting up for promotion. Remember that those players in high Gold tiers and low Plat can possibly have MMR lower than their displayed tier, and your friend is actually just approaching a low-mid Gold MMR. If he wins his promotion series and his MMR is actually super high, it's possible he will skip divisions to Gold IV or Gold III.

How long does this "clamping" period last though? Because if he keeps wining 4 games and lose 1, he will keep on losing his LP and tanks down or something.

And is there a point somewhere that the LP he earns for wining can get higher again? Or he will always gain +5 and lose -20 even when he's in BronzeV? I doubt his MMR is lower than BronzeV and the system slow down to make sure he belongs there.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 31 2013 14:57 GMT
#4405
On May 31 2013 23:45 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 23:01 obesechicken13 wrote:
I'm playing Kayle again if wits gets buffed. Mostly to try Malady and Wits.

I don't know why they released Botrk (on hit) and nerfed wits when Botrk provides lifesteal. It's not like on hit didn't already have glaring weaknesses.


Malady is being removed, the effects (magic shred and % of your AP on-hit) are being split between Wit's and Nashor's.

I see.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 31 2013 14:58 GMT
#4406
Ever since I learned about this lolnexus tool, matchmaking and the league system have started confusing me more and more.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I mean, what IS that? Either the matchmaking system is broken, or what league you're in means absolutely nothing.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 31 2013 14:58 GMT
#4407
On May 31 2013 14:42 caelym wrote:
oh shit, huge roster changes in Korea. "KT Rolster A's new roster of MaKNooN, Zero, Lila, Climax, and Shakbari announced. Kakao goes to KTB" from Monte's twitter.

Not familiar with any of those names besides Maknoon and Zero lol. Wonder if there was ever talk about moving him to KTB's Top lane, I feel he would be an upgrade over ssumday. Kicking Insec for Kakao seems like an interesting choice as well, but I guess it worked well for them last season. Insec is too good to stay a free agent, I wonder where he ends up.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 15:08:46
May 31 2013 15:01 GMT
#4408
how do you use to beat semi tank top heroes with jayce? I was against wukong he has belt and brutalizer and i have bruta with tears, we went farming mode past 6 and manage to poke him till 2/3 hp and i decide to went all in. He just use all his skill with ult ignite and i lost the fight.

not sure where i did wrong =.=
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 15:04:54
May 31 2013 15:03 GMT
#4409
On May 31 2013 23:52 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 23:33 c.Deadly wrote:
On May 31 2013 22:14 Vlanitak wrote:
So question about this whole MMR thing
My friend, in silver 1, places against high gold (1-2tier) and low plats (5-4). If the system is as I understand this is because he has won enough that his MMR is higher than what silver 1 would imply, and hence gets queued against people closer to his MMR. But what I dont get is why he gains +5 for winning and -20 for losing. if the MMR thing is correct should these numbers be a lot closer?


Riot calls it "clamping", when you're about to be promoted to a new league your LP gains slow down to ensure that you actually belong in the new league, since you can't be demoted from there. Basically his MMR has to be mid-Gold before getting up for promotion. Remember that those players in high Gold tiers and low Plat can possibly have MMR lower than their displayed tier, and your friend is actually just approaching a low-mid Gold MMR. If he wins his promotion series and his MMR is actually super high, it's possible he will skip divisions to Gold IV or Gold III.

How long does this "clamping" period last though? Because if he keeps wining 4 games and lose 1, he will keep on losing his LP and tanks down or something.

And is there a point somewhere that the LP he earns for wining can get higher again? Or he will always gain +5 and lose -20 even when he's in BronzeV? I doubt his MMR is lower than BronzeV and the system slow down to make sure he belongs there.

There was a bug a while back when a bunch of people got their Elo randomly reset to 0. I'd guess the bottom of Bronze V is 500 Elo or so, so it is possible to have an Elo much worse than Bronze V

On June 01 2013 00:01 justiceknight wrote:
how do you use to beat semi tank top heroes? I was against wukong he has belt and brutalizer and i have bruta with tears, we went farming mode past 6 and manage to poke him till 2/3 hp and i decide to went all in. He just use all his skill with ult ignite and i lost the fight.

not sure where i did wrong =.=

Who were you playing? And he was a whole giant's belt ahead of you (tear doesn't give combat stats)
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 15:12:15
May 31 2013 15:11 GMT
#4410
On June 01 2013 00:01 justiceknight wrote:
how do you use to beat semi tank top heroes with jayce? I was against wukong he has belt and brutalizer and i have bruta with tears, we went farming mode past 6 and manage to poke him till 2/3 hp and i decide to went all in. He just use all his skill with ult ignite and i lost the fight.

not sure where i did wrong =.=


well really hard to say without the champion played and replay.

Poke him more than to 2/3 before all-ining? You might have eaten tons of minion dmg. He was ahead in items. So much possibilites.
Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
May 31 2013 15:26 GMT
#4411
Hey guys, I didn´t watch many OGN games this season, but I heard NajinSword picked Zac in some games and he went Top. How good did he look?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17262 Posts
May 31 2013 15:30 GMT
#4412
Zac top has been pretty frequent in non-NA areas.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 31 2013 15:31 GMT
#4413
On June 01 2013 00:26 Rookie6 wrote:
Hey guys, I didn´t watch many OGN games this season, but I heard NajinSword picked Zac in some games and he went Top. How good did he look?


Zac was a pretty popular pick during worlds, I don't have any stats but I feel like he had a really low winrate.
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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 31 2013 15:34 GMT
#4414
On June 01 2013 00:01 justiceknight wrote:
how do you use to beat semi tank top heroes with jayce? I was against wukong he has belt and brutalizer and i have bruta with tears, we went farming mode past 6 and manage to poke him till 2/3 hp and i decide to went all in. He just use all his skill with ult ignite and i lost the fight.

not sure where i did wrong =.=


Jayce main here

Wukong is one of Jayce's hardest matchups. Trying to fight Wukong without having twice as much current health than him is a really bad idea, need to be able to gate-blast him to open yourself to be able to farm, otherwise Wukong will force you out or kill you with an all in.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14040 Posts
May 31 2013 15:40 GMT
#4415
We shall now refer to the order in which you get items on a champ as your "build order" befitting it being the order that you build your champion with .
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
May 31 2013 15:43 GMT
#4416
On June 01 2013 00:31 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 00:26 Rookie6 wrote:
Hey guys, I didn´t watch many OGN games this season, but I heard NajinSword picked Zac in some games and he went Top. How good did he look?


Zac was a pretty popular pick during worlds, I don't have any stats but I feel like he had a really low winrate.


Oh I see, haven´t been following LoL for a while...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 15:44:19
May 31 2013 15:43 GMT
#4417
On June 01 2013 00:34 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 00:01 justiceknight wrote:
how do you use to beat semi tank top heroes with jayce? I was against wukong he has belt and brutalizer and i have bruta with tears, we went farming mode past 6 and manage to poke him till 2/3 hp and i decide to went all in. He just use all his skill with ult ignite and i lost the fight.

not sure where i did wrong =.=


Jayce main here

Wukong is one of Jayce's hardest matchups. Trying to fight Wukong without having twice as much current health than him is a really bad idea, need to be able to gate-blast him to open yourself to be able to farm, otherwise Wukong will force you out or kill you with an all in.

Can't you just RE him away though? At least he shouldn't be able to EautoQR you (takes too long compared to your RE) so he'll lose out on some damage if he does that. He's probably weaker at level 1 and 3, no idea about level 2 since Jayce's all-in is so strong but Wu's got nice dps at that stage.

If you get low and fail to gate->run away or hammerE when he dives you, though, you'll just die from his ult's damage.

If you can avoid him jumping on you, you can also just shove the lane and farm with EQ, Wukong's not too shabby when it comes to farming at tower (well, depends, his aa animation is really one of the most atrocious out there when it comes to melee champs) but he needs to dump a lot of mana to be able to "push" a lane (and he can't shove for shit).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 15:50:56
May 31 2013 15:45 GMT
#4418
So I just had this thought. What happens when you have someone with an aoe that is active while zhonya (fiddle, kennen, karthus etc.) and this person gets exhausted just before he uses zhonyas. Does his aoe do:

a) dmg reduced by exhaust
b) normal dmg
c) reduced dmg for the time he would have been exhausted when he didn't use zhonya.

discuss.

edit:

also how does exhaust effect dot and true dmg?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 31 2013 16:02 GMT
#4419
On June 01 2013 00:45 Keniji wrote:
So I just had this thought. What happens when you have someone with an aoe that is active while zhonya (fiddle, kennen, karthus etc.) and this person gets exhausted just before he uses zhonyas. Does his aoe do:

a) dmg reduced by exhaust
b) normal dmg
c) reduced dmg for the time he would have been exhausted when he didn't use zhonya.

discuss.

edit:

also how does exhaust effect dot and true dmg?


True damage is still the normal amount, DOT's are reduced I believe. I feel like option C would be right.
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 31 2013 16:04 GMT
#4420
On June 01 2013 00:45 Keniji wrote:
So I just had this thought. What happens when you have someone with an aoe that is active while zhonya (fiddle, kennen, karthus etc.) and this person gets exhausted just before he uses zhonyas. Does his aoe do:

a) dmg reduced by exhaust
b) normal dmg
c) reduced dmg for the time he would have been exhausted when he didn't use zhonya.

discuss.

edit:

also how does exhaust effect dot and true dmg?

I think exhaust goes through Zhonyas if casted before hourglass activation.

Exhaust doesn't affect true damage I don't think, and it should still work for dots
Bronze player stuck in platinum
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