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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 27 2013 20:13 GMT
#3281
On May 28 2013 04:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 03:57 Sponkz wrote:
On May 28 2013 03:17 Shikyo wrote:
^Remember we're not comparing Jayce bot to Jayce mid or top, we're comparing Jayce bot to another ADC.

Speaking of Jayce, I'm pretty sure that Fiora's really good against him in lane...



I know you're trying to compare him to another AD, don't get me wrong. But the question still lies, why do you wanna pick Jayce and put him in the bot-lane, when he's so much better in a solo lane?

Well, if Jayce is your pick for bottom lane... Maybe you want 2 other champions mid or top? I'm not saying it's the best possible thing to do but if you want say, 2 APs for the solo lanes, I do think that Jayce is an underrated ADC.


Anyway!

Please someone help me with Fiora vs Pantheon. Get close -> eat spears all day, even under tower. Try to harrass -> first attack shielded -> stun -> second attack shielded -> he soon has another aegis -> third attack shielded -> get outtraded to hell. It feels like the best I can do is camp brush and leech exp, spam potions and armor and lasthit at tower, be at half his minions and completely worthless for the rest of the game.




Ok so your scenario is that you pick Jayce as an ADC and double AP. Who's gonna do the pushing? :p I think Jayce ADC makes alot of sense, but he is so inferior at sieging turrets compared to regular ADC's.
hi
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 27 2013 20:15 GMT
#3282
Scip or Slayer, that's the real question.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 20:17:28
May 27 2013 20:17 GMT
#3283
Teutonica doesn't even main jungle anymore I don't think, he feeds with things like Leona support (creating the verb "to teutonica" - to go full retard as leona on bottom lvl 1/2 and giving the enemy double kill) and then he just plays random shit. His 1 month hiatus didn't help his gameplay either

OMG I got Graveler as my new icon, sick
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 20:19:34
May 27 2013 20:17 GMT
#3284
On May 28 2013 04:39 Alaric wrote:
Fiora Q auto Q auto Panth at level 1, won the trade, bam.

You win THAT trade, indeed. But Q has 18s cooldown and spear has 4s cooldown and after the 18s are up you're looking at an aegis and possibly even lvl 2.

On May 28 2013 05:13 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 04:12 Shikyo wrote:
On May 28 2013 03:57 Sponkz wrote:
On May 28 2013 03:17 Shikyo wrote:
^Remember we're not comparing Jayce bot to Jayce mid or top, we're comparing Jayce bot to another ADC.

Speaking of Jayce, I'm pretty sure that Fiora's really good against him in lane...



I know you're trying to compare him to another AD, don't get me wrong. But the question still lies, why do you wanna pick Jayce and put him in the bot-lane, when he's so much better in a solo lane?

Well, if Jayce is your pick for bottom lane... Maybe you want 2 other champions mid or top? I'm not saying it's the best possible thing to do but if you want say, 2 APs for the solo lanes, I do think that Jayce is an underrated ADC.


Anyway!

Please someone help me with Fiora vs Pantheon. Get close -> eat spears all day, even under tower. Try to harrass -> first attack shielded -> stun -> second attack shielded -> he soon has another aegis -> third attack shielded -> get outtraded to hell. It feels like the best I can do is camp brush and leech exp, spam potions and armor and lasthit at tower, be at half his minions and completely worthless for the rest of the game.




Ok so your scenario is that you pick Jayce as an ADC and double AP. Who's gonna do the pushing? :p I think Jayce ADC makes alot of sense, but he is so inferior at sieging turrets compared to regular ADC's.

Um Jayce pushes slowly? First of all he instaclears wave, second he kills towers in seconds. Surely does 100 times more dmg vs tower than someone like Ezreal. He only has 25 range less than Graves and a better steroid vs towers.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 27 2013 20:17 GMT
#3285
So basically what you're saying is... f Teut and I should be PM'ing you my jungler questions?!?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 20:18:46
May 27 2013 20:18 GMT
#3286
yes

2/3 letter posts are my favourite now, I hope that's not frowned upon too too much
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 27 2013 20:20 GMT
#3287
It is frowned upon. :<
But exceptions have been made in the past...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 20:26:01
May 27 2013 20:20 GMT
#3288
good

ok wait I will edit something useful in here in a bit
ok firstly as a celebration of my 1K posts I will link my earlier post
I think I would consider myself a semi-veteran, I was really active on the forums shortly after sc2 release and played a lot, got like 3K+ games played on Wings of Liberty
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 20:22:59
May 27 2013 20:21 GMT
#3289
On May 28 2013 05:18 Scip wrote:
yes

2/3 letter posts are my favourite now, I hope that's not frowned upon too too much

I thought we kind of prided ourselves on in-depth conversations, but maybe that's just me

You'd be like the anti-Alaric.
On May 28 2013 05:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
It is frowned upon. :<
But exceptions have been made in the past...

Probably for a TL veteran though, hue.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 27 2013 20:29 GMT
#3290
On May 28 2013 05:20 Scip wrote:
good

ok wait I will edit something useful in here in a bit
ok firstly as a celebration of my 1K posts I will link my earlier post
I think I would consider myself a semi-veteran, I was really active on the forums shortly after sc2 release and played a lot, got like 3K+ games played on Wings of Liberty

jesus christ; this was like a year ago. I remember when skarner used to be played.
liftlift > tsm
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 20:31:38
May 27 2013 20:30 GMT
#3291
On May 28 2013 04:55 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:
On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it.

one of the fastest clears in the game, a high magic damage jungler (the only one besides InSec jungle Gragas, dunno if I'm sold on that one yet), maybe the 3rd? fastest dragon in the game, amazing pre-6 ganks thanks to a long range gapcloser a stun and large burst damage, amazing fighting strength especially pre-6 thanks to all things mentioned above + 2 second invincibility zhonyas style. Yeah, her teamfights aren't the strongest, but the strengths offset that pretty nicely.


I am not a jungler so correct me if I'm wrong but Diana is still a viable jungler, yes?


Yes she is. People still trying to build machete (all the machete items suck with Diana) on her when you need to open armor + 5 pots tho. She's not the strongest but Twin Shadows works with jungle Diana pretty well to help set up ganks.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 27 2013 20:30 GMT
#3292
On May 28 2013 05:17 Scip wrote:
Teutonica doesn't even main jungle anymore I don't think, he feeds with things like Leona support (creating the verb "to teutonica" - to go full retard as leona on bottom lvl 1/2 and giving the enemy double kill) and then he just plays random shit. His 1 month hiatus didn't help his gameplay either

OMG I got Graveler as my new icon, sick

Looks more like a Thor.

https://www.google.com/search?q=thor starcraft&oq=thor starcraft&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3.6539j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 27 2013 20:54 GMT
#3293
Its a Guardian, zerg unit from Brood War.

You young'uns now a days and your "Thors" and mines that shoot up....
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 27 2013 21:03 GMT
#3294
Just got TF in an ARAM, did the Misaya Ult>Zhonya's twice. Both times the other team feel for it, HARD. GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGTGG .

Was too fun, I never use TF so I never got to try that trick until today myself.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 27 2013 21:03 GMT
#3295
On May 28 2013 05:54 MoonBear wrote:
Its a Guardian, zerg unit from Brood War.

You young'uns now a days and your "Thors" and mines that shoot up....

lol what's a zerg?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 27 2013 21:05 GMT
#3296
On May 28 2013 01:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I took 34% off Isai in ssb64 when I played a game with him online, after which he raped me for five straight stocks without getting touched once.

I think that qualifies me as the best ssb64 player on this board.

lol, hitting Isai once is honestly an accomplishment in 64, gratz dude!

On May 28 2013 03:53 JonGalt wrote:
So we'll agree that Ness is the best character? I am gonna bring an N64 to every TL meetup I go to haha.

Modern tier lists put him at like 6-7th, lol. Poor dude looks so damn cool when no one knows what they're doing but now that people don't shield and are harder to hit, he kinda just blows.

On May 28 2013 03:53 Shikyo wrote:
About SSB64, I think that Kirby is the best character. That down aerial is completely fucking broken, impossible to return to stage against Kirby even at like 10% and Kirby kills off just about any hit because his drill combos are so powerful and all his skills combo into everything.

Pikachu is probably as good but at least takes some skill.


Pikachu is much better than Kirby. Having a real recovery in that game is OP. Fox is also considered better than Kirby nowadays but it's a lot closer and most of that comparison boils down to matchups where Fox's better matchup vs. Pikachu counts for a ton.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 27 2013 21:09 GMT
#3297
Smash returns to the GD thread!

... to talk about Smash bros.

+ Show Spoiler +
Lost his passion
Retvrn to Forvms
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 21:10:38
May 27 2013 21:10 GMT
#3298
dis Smash. afk awols from us for over 4 months now.

Decides to show up when there's a SSBM discussion.

Real.

^ Chrispy notices the truth too.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
May 27 2013 21:12 GMT
#3299
I'd really like to see some sort of rule implementation in the LCS that prevents teams from changing rosters once the season begins. I feel that it would put more emphasis on how important having solid subs are, as well as help familiarize the "newer" viewers with the teams and help increase job security.

Someone pickup MegaHero pls :<
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 27 2013 21:13 GMT
#3300
Good god, the Meta of N64 smash is still evolving?

I mean, i understand Melle since Brawl was such a shitshow between Metaknight and slips... but 64?
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