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On May 28 2013 03:39 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it. Because it's pretty good? Good clear that can use 0 mana if you like, built in sustain, long range stun that's not an ult, % health for opening up a gank, % health ability for your execute, hard to counter jungle with rappel, rappel also reveals enemies and is a gap closer, etc...... Edit: Oh yeah spiderlings also tank most of the jungle damage, making for a very low health loss clear.
I guess my main issue is the fact she only has one form of CC, which is a skillshot that requires clear line of sight. Which makes ganking kinda... blegh.
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On May 28 2013 02:55 JonGalt wrote:This. So much. Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 06:02 overt wrote:On May 27 2013 05:58 canikizu wrote:
adc champs are pretty popular.
That's what I conclude from that chart.
ADC is basically required in nearly every game. In the history of League the number of ADCs that were popular and/or deemed viable has always been really low. Usually anywhere from 2-4 champs. Right now it's actually a lot better since there's at least 5 ADCs who are all really popular (Ez, MF, Caitlyn, Draven, and maybe Vayne+Varus). I think the thing to take away is how binary the community views bot lane picks. The champion pool for ADC and support are the lowest pools in the entire game. Compare to mid or top where you can run just about anything or jungle where lots of junglers are perceived as being strong. Then you go to ADC or support and you can count how many champions the community perceives as good on one hand. edit: I personally think that nearly every ADC is viable and that the support champion pool is really large. But for whatever reason the champion pools that people zone in on is always really low at any given time for both roles. I'd be interested who your list was for viable adc, supports, or adc+support. I say this because I have always believed most champions in all the roles are viable. On another note, the more I think about it, I definitely want Riot to change how the bans are. I think more bans (and ban phases) will help grow the champion pool and hopefully make ranked feel more team oriented and serious.
Others have chimed in but personally I believe that every champ designed as an ADC is viable at the moment I was mostly commenting that lots of the community would disagree. I even think some champs not designed as ADC can work in the right context, most notable example beng Kennen
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On May 28 2013 03:46 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 03:39 Diamond wrote:On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it. Because it's pretty good? Good clear that can use 0 mana if you like, built in sustain, long range stun that's not an ult, % health for opening up a gank, % health ability for your execute, hard to counter jungle with rappel, rappel also reveals enemies and is a gap closer, etc...... Edit: Oh yeah spiderlings also tank most of the jungle damage, making for a very low health loss clear. I guess my main issue is the fact she only has one form of CC, which is a skillshot that requires clear line of sight. Which makes ganking kinda... blegh.
It's like one of the longest stuns available to any jungler (or almost any champ), it sort of has to have a downside. If you cant get clear line of sight you have an ability (that literally has no mana cost) that puts you one inch from your target for an easy stun.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
I think the CLG change is good.
I think, if people say he is as good as they say, he can excel really well. There is no reason he can't carry from top lane and relieve pressure off of Dlift+Chauster (which I am excited to see again). Link is a solid mid who I think has a lot of potential. And from what I hear, jiji was so-so at laning but a boss team fighter. That's kinda what jungler's are on a very basic level. I think he might do well. I hope HotShotGG is an actual coach and the players listen to him like one. Would love to see CLG do well with this method so that other NA teams get serious (and hire caelym). They absolutely need to leave this team alone for at least a year though.
I hope Aphro (and Mega) find teams though. Would love to see them form a team together and find some yoloq talent and try to qualify for S4.
Although I like CLG change, I'd love to see teams stop shuffling and actually find new talent though.
And while I am dreaming, a weekly B team challenger league by MLG with wave+soniv casting would be awesome too. Analysis desk with TheYango.
@obesechicken even with my computer restrictions, what did I major in? Computer Science 
On May 28 2013 01:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I took 34% off Isai in ssb64 when I played a game with him online, after which he raped me for five straight stocks without getting touched once.
I think that qualifies me as the best ssb64 player on this board.
So we'll agree that Ness is the best character? I am gonna bring an N64 to every TL meetup I go to haha.
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On May 28 2013 03:40 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 03:17 Shikyo wrote:
^Remember we're not comparing Jayce bot to Jayce mid or top, we're comparing Jayce bot to another ADC.
Speaking of Jayce, I'm pretty sure that Fiora's really good against him in lane... She's ok. Not a direct counter. The last times I've played the match up, his knockback still affected me during my parry. (though the proc procced the damage reflection)
I think it's more that she can easily engage on Jayce and Jayce cannot disengage on her at all with his E and Fiora >>>>>> Jayce in the trades.
About SSB64, I think that Kirby is the best character. That down aerial is completely fucking broken, impossible to return to stage against Kirby even at like 10% and Kirby kills off just about any hit because his drill combos are so powerful and all his skills combo into everything.
Pikachu is probably as good but at least takes some skill.
Oh and delayed Penta as Fiora, damn Spirit of the Elder Lizard is a good item for her to rush. Had some annoying issues with running out of mana, never again.
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On May 28 2013 03:17 Shikyo wrote:
^Remember we're not comparing Jayce bot to Jayce mid or top, we're comparing Jayce bot to another ADC.
Speaking of Jayce, I'm pretty sure that Fiora's really good against him in lane...
I know you're trying to compare him to another AD, don't get me wrong. But the question still lies, why do you wanna pick Jayce and put him in the bot-lane, when he's so much better in a solo lane?
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On May 28 2013 03:57 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 03:17 Shikyo wrote:
^Remember we're not comparing Jayce bot to Jayce mid or top, we're comparing Jayce bot to another ADC.
Speaking of Jayce, I'm pretty sure that Fiora's really good against him in lane... I know you're trying to compare him to another AD, don't get me wrong. But the question still lies, why do you wanna pick Jayce and put him in the bot-lane, when he's so much better in a solo lane?
Well, if Jayce is your pick for bottom lane... Maybe you want 2 other champions mid or top? I'm not saying it's the best possible thing to do but if you want say, 2 APs for the solo lanes, I do think that Jayce is an underrated ADC.
Anyway!
Please someone help me with Fiora vs Pantheon. Get close -> eat spears all day, even under tower. Try to harrass -> first attack shielded -> stun -> second attack shielded -> he soon has another aegis -> third attack shielded -> get outtraded to hell. It feels like the best I can do is camp brush and leech exp, spam potions and armor and lasthit at tower, be at half his minions and completely worthless for the rest of the game.
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On May 28 2013 04:12 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 03:57 Sponkz wrote:On May 28 2013 03:17 Shikyo wrote:
^Remember we're not comparing Jayce bot to Jayce mid or top, we're comparing Jayce bot to another ADC.
Speaking of Jayce, I'm pretty sure that Fiora's really good against him in lane... I know you're trying to compare him to another AD, don't get me wrong. But the question still lies, why do you wanna pick Jayce and put him in the bot-lane, when he's so much better in a solo lane? Well, if Jayce is your pick for bottom lane... Maybe you want 2 other champions mid or top? I'm not saying it's the best possible thing to do but if you want say, 2 APs for the solo lanes, I do think that Jayce is an underrated ADC. Anyway! Please someone help me with Fiora vs Pantheon. Get close -> eat spears all day, even under tower. Try to harrass -> first attack shielded -> stun -> second attack shielded -> he soon has another aegis -> third attack shielded -> get outtraded to hell. It feels like the best I can do is camp brush and leech exp, spam potions and armor and lasthit at tower, be at half his minions and completely worthless for the rest of the game.
I don't think you can do much in that matchup. Panth rapes auto-attack based traders, best bet is to just rush Ehp+sustain and try to farm.
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On May 28 2013 03:53 JonGalt wrote:@obesechicken even with my computer restrictions, what did I major in? Computer Science
Comp Eng here.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it.
one of the fastest clears in the game, a high magic damage jungler (the only one besides InSec jungle Gragas, dunno if I'm sold on that one yet), maybe the 3rd? fastest dragon in the game, amazing pre-6 ganks thanks to a long range gapcloser a stun and large burst damage, amazing fighting strength especially pre-6 thanks to all things mentioned above + 2 second invincibility zhonyas style. Yeah, her teamfights aren't the strongest, but the strengths offset that pretty nicely.
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Fiddle has pretty high magic dmg .-.
Hmm how does Rumble do vs Yorick btw? That should be a pretty rough matchup but I never see it
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Fiora Q auto Q auto Panth at level 1, won the trade, bam.
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On May 28 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it. one of the fastest clears in the game, a high magic damage jungler (the only one besides InSec jungle Gragas, dunno if I'm sold on that one yet), maybe the 3rd? fastest dragon in the game, amazing pre-6 ganks thanks to a long range gapcloser a stun and large burst damage, amazing fighting strength especially pre-6 thanks to all things mentioned above + 2 second invincibility zhonyas style. Yeah, her teamfights aren't the strongest, but the strengths offset that pretty nicely.
is this before or after the armor/mr resists?
ever since those nerfs it feels like jungle elise got so much more difficult
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Is the bug that if you Fiora ult when Panth ults you travel with him still there?
Also if your laner has any form of slow/cc Elise is a very strong jungler imo.
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On May 28 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it. one of the fastest clears in the game, a high magic damage jungler (the only one besides InSec jungle Gragas, dunno if I'm sold on that one yet), maybe the 3rd? fastest dragon in the game, amazing pre-6 ganks thanks to a long range gapcloser a stun and large burst damage, amazing fighting strength especially pre-6 thanks to all things mentioned above + 2 second invincibility zhonyas style. Yeah, her teamfights aren't the strongest, but the strengths offset that pretty nicely.
I am not a jungler so correct me if I'm wrong but Diana is still a viable jungler, yes?
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On May 28 2013 03:37 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 03:08 Sufficiency wrote:
The only ADC in a bad spot right now is Quinn. I think every other ADC is playable and viable. Quinn is strong. She's definitely better than Corgi and Sivir
I agree, Quinn is in a better spot even if it's not in a 2v2 lane. Corki is in a real bad spot because he's had various bugs ever since they changed the Big One to every 3rd missile instead of 4th missile. Sivir is just...Sivir.
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On May 28 2013 04:39 Alaric wrote:
Fiora Q auto Q auto Panth at level 1, won the trade, bam.
Don't you take minion aggro, thus losing the trade?
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 28 2013 04:55 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it. one of the fastest clears in the game, a high magic damage jungler (the only one besides InSec jungle Gragas, dunno if I'm sold on that one yet), maybe the 3rd? fastest dragon in the game, amazing pre-6 ganks thanks to a long range gapcloser a stun and large burst damage, amazing fighting strength especially pre-6 thanks to all things mentioned above + 2 second invincibility zhonyas style. Yeah, her teamfights aren't the strongest, but the strengths offset that pretty nicely. I am not a jungler so correct me if I'm wrong but Diana is still a viable jungler, yes?
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On May 28 2013 05:08 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 04:55 overt wrote:On May 28 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it. one of the fastest clears in the game, a high magic damage jungler (the only one besides InSec jungle Gragas, dunno if I'm sold on that one yet), maybe the 3rd? fastest dragon in the game, amazing pre-6 ganks thanks to a long range gapcloser a stun and large burst damage, amazing fighting strength especially pre-6 thanks to all things mentioned above + 2 second invincibility zhonyas style. Yeah, her teamfights aren't the strongest, but the strengths offset that pretty nicely. I am not a jungler so correct me if I'm wrong but Diana is still a viable jungler, yes? no
Scip is a god at jungling, listen to what he has to say on the subject.
sorryscipcanyoueverforgiveme?
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On May 28 2013 05:09 Vlanitak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 05:08 Scip wrote:On May 28 2013 04:55 overt wrote:On May 28 2013 04:29 Scip wrote:On May 28 2013 03:35 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Just played jungle elise ... Don't really understand why anyone would ever do it. one of the fastest clears in the game, a high magic damage jungler (the only one besides InSec jungle Gragas, dunno if I'm sold on that one yet), maybe the 3rd? fastest dragon in the game, amazing pre-6 ganks thanks to a long range gapcloser a stun and large burst damage, amazing fighting strength especially pre-6 thanks to all things mentioned above + 2 second invincibility zhonyas style. Yeah, her teamfights aren't the strongest, but the strengths offset that pretty nicely. I am not a jungler so correct me if I'm wrong but Diana is still a viable jungler, yes? no Scip is a god at jungling, listen to what he has to say on the subject. sorryscipcanyoueverforgiveme?
I find that jogging is a good way to lose weight
Im trying to log back in but EUW is as much of a mess as it always is.
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