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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
May 27 2013 21:56 GMT
#3321
[image loading]
[image loading]

You have to admit they look really similar.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 27 2013 21:59 GMT
#3322
[image loading]
[image loading]

you gotta admit... ok, nm, I'm just bad.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 27 2013 22:04 GMT
#3323
What happens if Chauster/Link/DLift like break a hand and can't compete anymore?

Does CLG have to bring back HSGG/Aphro?
Freeeeeeedom
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
May 27 2013 22:04 GMT
#3324
On May 28 2013 06:59 Mogwai wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]

you gotta admit... ok, nm, I'm just bad.


It's ok, Neo used to be a hammer. But now he's spawned two more.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 22:05:08
May 27 2013 22:04 GMT
#3325
On May 28 2013 06:56 JBright wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]

You have to admit they look really similar.


Well... if you played protoss sure... all you saw were holes in front of your base so it'd be hard to remember what lurkers actually look like. :p
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 22:05:37
May 27 2013 22:05 GMT
#3326
On May 28 2013 07:04 cLutZ wrote:
What happens if Chauster/Link/DLift like break a hand and can't compete anymore?

Does CLG have to bring back HSGG/Aphro?


Don't know. They'd probably be required to use their sub HSGG instead of a different sub.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 27 2013 22:05 GMT
#3327
On May 28 2013 06:56 JBright wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]

You have to admit they look really similar.


It's just that Guardians' visual design makes no sense at all.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 22:07:17
May 27 2013 22:06 GMT
#3328
On May 28 2013 04:12 Shikyo wrote:
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On May 28 2013 03:57 Sponkz wrote:
On May 28 2013 03:17 Shikyo wrote:
^Remember we're not comparing Jayce bot to Jayce mid or top, we're comparing Jayce bot to another ADC.

Speaking of Jayce, I'm pretty sure that Fiora's really good against him in lane...



I know you're trying to compare him to another AD, don't get me wrong. But the question still lies, why do you wanna pick Jayce and put him in the bot-lane, when he's so much better in a solo lane?

Well, if Jayce is your pick for bottom lane... Maybe you want 2 other champions mid or top? I'm not saying it's the best possible thing to do but if you want say, 2 APs for the solo lanes, I do think that Jayce is an underrated ADC.


Anyway!

Please someone help me with Fiora vs Pantheon. Get close -> eat spears all day, even under tower. Try to harrass -> first attack shielded -> stun -> second attack shielded -> he soon has another aegis -> third attack shielded -> get outtraded to hell. It feels like the best I can do is camp brush and leech exp, spam potions and armor and lasthit at tower, be at half his minions and completely worthless for the rest of the game.

Vs Pantheon: defensive start (maybe even a flask), early Tabi. Buy a bunch of potions. Just play passively and wait for him to make a mistake or start roaming. His only option when going in is to waste his stun+aegis refresh, which means he'll lose the trade if he does (plus minion agro). You simply should not go in, and wait for level 6 (where you have an ulti that can be used in lane, and he doesn't). In order for him to make an impact on the game, he needs to roam with his ultimate, which offers you free lane exp/minions/push, and also allows you to pull ahead of him. After the early levels, you start winning versus Pantheon.

Really, Pantheon lanes top are about out-sustaining his mana bar for spear harass, and staying above his all-in point. If you do that, he starts falling off comparatively. Just don't fall behind early (as it sounds like you did going in for a really bad trade), and you're good to go.

Also, Fiora does indeed do well in Jayce. Before the nerfs to his melee E damage, it was rougher, but nowadays trades are pretty much always in Fiora's favor as long as Jayce doesn't snowball too far and away. I'm still waiting for Riot to do what they did to Elise and remove melee form's armor (he doesn't need it) and throw some other nerfs at him (because oh, they will), but Fiora does well vs Jayce as long as you don't eat too many QEs to the face.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 27 2013 22:14 GMT
#3329
On May 28 2013 05:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
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On May 28 2013 05:18 Scip wrote:
yes

2/3 letter posts are my favourite now, I hope that's not frowned upon too too much

I thought we kind of prided ourselves on in-depth conversations, but maybe that's just me

You'd be like the anti-Alaric.

Fuck you.
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See, I'm succinct! :3 Plus am I not supposed to be the Dig negative nancy instead?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
May 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#3330
Lurker is way cooler then a guardian.
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
May 27 2013 22:22 GMT
#3331
On May 28 2013 07:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 06:56 JBright wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]

You have to admit they look really similar.


It's just that Guardians' visual design makes no sense at all.


Lurkers were crabs that dug underground, and guardians were crabs that floated in the sky! Thats all BW-level graphics could reveal to me.
I got nothin'...
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
May 27 2013 22:26 GMT
#3332
Well I just got my first ever match against a major streamer (TRM) and my team collectively made him rage. 2v1 his teemo top and camp their 2v1 such that our solo laner wins the lane.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
May 27 2013 22:26 GMT
#3333
lurkers were those things that fucked up my army in 1 hit. guardians were those things that fucked up my base without me being able to do anything about it
BW -> League -> CSGO
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 27 2013 22:27 GMT
#3334
On May 28 2013 07:22 YouGotNothin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 07:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:56 JBright wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]

You have to admit they look really similar.


It's just that Guardians' visual design makes no sense at all.


Lurkers were crabs that dug underground, and guardians were crabs that floated in the sky! Thats all BW-level graphics could reveal to me.


Exactly.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
canucks12
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada812 Posts
May 27 2013 22:31 GMT
#3335
On May 28 2013 07:26 Lmui wrote:
Well I just got my first ever match against a major streamer (TRM) and my team collectively made him rage. 2v1 his teemo top and camp their 2v1 such that our solo laner wins the lane.


Were they stream cheating him or was that a joke? It ruined his day entirely.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 27 2013 22:31 GMT
#3336
On May 28 2013 07:26 wussleeQ wrote:
lurkers were those things that fucked up my army in 1 hit. guardians were those things that fucked up my base without me being able to do anything about it

Mass scout works 100% of the time, every time

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except at even D- iccup
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 22:38:13
May 27 2013 22:35 GMT
#3337
On May 28 2013 07:31 canucks12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 07:26 Lmui wrote:
Well I just got my first ever match against a major streamer (TRM) and my team collectively made him rage. 2v1 his teemo top and camp their 2v1 such that our solo laner wins the lane.


Were they stream cheating him or was that a joke? It ruined his day entirely.


He has ~2 min delay, kinda hard to stream cheat.

I personally didn't stream cheat. There's not much point to doing it if he has that much delay. My team just decided to 2v1 him top and I camped their duo lane so that our solo laner won it. All that happened on my part was just listening to the rage on his stream after the game was mostly over
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
May 27 2013 22:38 GMT
#3338
On May 28 2013 07:31 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 07:26 wussleeQ wrote:
lurkers were those things that fucked up my army in 1 hit. guardians were those things that fucked up my base without me being able to do anything about it

Mass scout works 100% of the time, every time

+ Show Spoiler +
except at even D- iccup


I got the stove to work against my sparring partner once. Proudest day of my life, not even joking.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 27 2013 22:38 GMT
#3339
Teemo pickers deserve what they get.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 27 2013 22:41 GMT
#3340
I honestly didn't even know that TRM still streamed/still have viewers.
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