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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 05:22:24
May 02 2013 05:18 GMT
#761
On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong.


Are you serious?

Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds
Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds
Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds
Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds

Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds
Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds


I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields.

If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 02 2013 05:19 GMT
#762
On May 02 2013 14:18 Witten wrote:
I don't follow the LoL scene practically at all, but is there a reason why I've been seeing lots of Nunu tops on pro/ high-level streams today?

Because I f-ing love Nunu, and this makes me excited.


Well, they nerfing Nunu top in next patch apparently. Reducing his lane sustain. Probably a good change, probably from Smash.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
May 02 2013 05:21 GMT
#763
I'm going to be butt-mad over this TF change for months. Hopefully WE threatens Riot to revert them.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 02 2013 05:21 GMT
#764
Yet TF's tooltip was changed so that his blue card gives you less info this patch too lol. But my god they're trying to make him into the old eve-tier.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 02 2013 05:26 GMT
#765
On May 02 2013 14:18 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong.


Are you serious?

Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds
Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds
Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds
Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds

Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds
Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds


I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields.

If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too.


The extra stat for luxes shield is it shields twice in a massive AOE.....so yeah
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
May 02 2013 05:27 GMT
#766
Not a fan of the TF nerfs at all. I can take a slight increase in ult cooldown, but anything else makes me pretty pissed.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 05:35:46
May 02 2013 05:29 GMT
#767
On May 02 2013 13:24 Amarok wrote:
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On May 02 2013 11:26 wei2coolman wrote:
YEAHHHHH. Mousepad just shipped in.
Blood Moon Akali. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[image loading]


Very coolman, but...

It's white. As the proud owner of a GW2 mousepad that's predominantly white I can tell you that will get grubby very quickly. It's still a great mousepad, it's just that it's now a grey mousepad.

Do you not have a bottle of hand sanitizer next to you? I always wash my hands before handling my precious (computer, obviously, you dirty minded fools).
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 02 2013 05:32 GMT
#768
On May 02 2013 14:26 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 14:18 Ketara wrote:
On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong.


Are you serious?

Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds
Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds
Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds
Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds

Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds
Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds


I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields.

If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too.


The extra stat for luxes shield is it shields twice in a massive AOE.....so yeah


Yeah, and it's real good. But the values are really not huge in comparison to other champions shields.

If any shields have ridiculous values it's a Karma mantra'd shield, but that's being buffed by her ult and probably should be a little ridic.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 02 2013 05:36 GMT
#769
On May 02 2013 14:32 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 14:26 sob3k wrote:
On May 02 2013 14:18 Ketara wrote:
On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong.


Are you serious?

Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds
Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds
Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds
Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds

Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds
Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds


I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields.

If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too.


The extra stat for luxes shield is it shields twice in a massive AOE.....so yeah


Yeah, and it's real good. But the values are really not huge in comparison to other champions shields.

If any shields have ridiculous values it's a Karma mantra'd shield, but that's being buffed by her ult and probably should be a little ridic.


Twice as big isn't huge?
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
May 02 2013 05:38 GMT
#770
I'm convinced that every hero I main/start learning as a main gets the nerf hammer up its bunghole.

Irelia, Ree Singa, Riven, Akali, now TF. Fck.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 02 2013 05:39 GMT
#771
On May 02 2013 14:38 Mondeezy wrote:
I'm convinced that every hero I main/start learning as a main gets the nerf hammer up its bunghole.

Irelia, Ree Singa, Riven, Akali, now TF. Fck.

Just means you play FotM, why are you surprised?
liftlift > tsm
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 05:41:58
May 02 2013 05:40 GMT
#772
On May 02 2013 14:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 14:38 Mondeezy wrote:
I'm convinced that every hero I main/start learning as a main gets the nerf hammer up its bunghole.

Irelia, Ree Singa, Riven, Akali, now TF. Fck.

Just means you play FotM, why are you surprised?


Because I played FoTM because I liked the champs before they became FoTM

Now I sound like a wanna-be hipster, damnit.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 05:45:40
May 02 2013 05:42 GMT
#773
On May 02 2013 14:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 14:38 Mondeezy wrote:
I'm convinced that every hero I main/start learning as a main gets the nerf hammer up its bunghole.

Irelia, Ree Singa, Riven, Akali, now TF. Fck.

Just means you play FotM, why are you surprised?

My personal theory is that Morello gets beat by elo boosters and smurfs at his Silver V level and decides to nerf them (they're all heroes that get exponentially better with skill and are one of the few heroes able to outplay.
See also Ezreal
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 05:46:10
May 02 2013 05:43 GMT
#774
On May 02 2013 14:18 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong.


Are you serious?

Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds
Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds
Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds
Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds

Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds
Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds


I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields.

If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too.

You're so biased it isn't even funny man.
She gets double the shield strength so even with those nerfs the base value is still higher than anyone else's you just listed. Her scaling is worse which is fine imo.

Edit: lol I see others beat me to it. At least consider what her old base values were like compared to everyone else. She gets an automatic 160+0.7 shield on herself (if she's taken damage) and the same on anyone she hits with her skillshot. Base. At level 1. Of all the nerfs that might be coming, Lux's I am least sad about.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 02 2013 05:44 GMT
#775
So basically Riot decided to half ZAC's R damage. Oh wow.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 02 2013 05:47 GMT
#776
TF got gutted pretty hard, but IMO it's fair because currently he is too broken.

Lux shield nerf is also fair; so is Diana shield nerf.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 05:52:34
May 02 2013 05:47 GMT
#777
Eh. Those unconfirmed changes on PBE had better be false cause some of those nerfs are just ridiculous.

Nunu Q nerf is kinda meh
Diana shield nerf is a huge overreaction. Maybe it needs nerfing but not on that scale.
Elise ult getting the Nid ult treatment; she'll still be solid if this goes through tho.
Galio nerf super random and unwarranted
Lux nerf: I'm all for nerfing her shield as it's a stupid fuckign skill, but this seems a bit overboard
MF nerf: k
Nami buff
Rumble change: i guess it's ok
Shyvana change: really random nerf unless the "cinder" buff is really strong
TF nerf: pretty good i guess
Zac nerf: Zac probably needed nerfs but I feel it's wayyy too early to start nerfing him this hard.
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
May 02 2013 05:48 GMT
#778
On May 02 2013 14:14 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 14:09 Cheap0 wrote:
On May 02 2013 14:03 iCanada wrote:
What the fuck...

They nerfed Shyvana. That E change guts her dueling quite a bit. And I dont uinderstand why they make her R only move one person now too. Like... Wut?

Why?


Honestly, that R change seems like a buff when you consider how inconsistent it is normally at actually moving its target.

Also, that E change is still kind of up in the air. It got a damage nerf and lost the armor shred, but now it marks the target " with cinders". We don't really know what that means yet.


I dunno, their general philosophy with tooltips has always been change to show more/make more accurate.

Changing armor shred to cinders just seems... like they removing onhit effect entirely. Look at half the changes in the patch, they all making tooltip more precise/accurate/easy to understand.

The big reason I dont like the change is it hurts Top Shyv a lot, which is what I think Shyvana is better suited for. Means they want to have Shy jungle, which she just not suited for at a competitive level.


When discussing it, Scarizard said that her clears were getting "tangentially buffed", so I'm assuming cinders does actually have some sort of meaning. Besides, I can't imagine them actually nerfing Shyvana that hard in the current, struggling state she's already in.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/93938-morello-shyvana-players-are-dying-to-know-riot-has-any-plans-for-her
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 02 2013 05:49 GMT
#779
Nunu consume change is ridonkulous too

Gains a bonus based on what type of monster he ate -- wut
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
May 02 2013 05:52 GMT
#780
An I the only one who seems to think they nerf far more than they buff and it is a bad thing for the game?
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