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On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong.
Are you serious?
Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds
Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds
Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds
Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds
Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds
Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds
I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields.
If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too.
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On May 02 2013 14:18 Witten wrote:
I don't follow the LoL scene practically at all, but is there a reason why I've been seeing lots of Nunu tops on pro/ high-level streams today?
Because I f-ing love Nunu, and this makes me excited.
Well, they nerfing Nunu top in next patch apparently. Reducing his lane sustain. Probably a good change, probably from Smash.
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I'm going to be butt-mad over this TF change for months. Hopefully WE threatens Riot to revert them.
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Yet TF's tooltip was changed so that his blue card gives you less info this patch too lol. But my god they're trying to make him into the old eve-tier.
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On May 02 2013 14:18 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong. Are you serious? Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields. If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too.
The extra stat for luxes shield is it shields twice in a massive AOE.....so yeah
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Not a fan of the TF nerfs at all. I can take a slight increase in ult cooldown, but anything else makes me pretty pissed.
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On May 02 2013 13:24 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 11:26 wei2coolman wrote:YEAHHHHH. Mousepad just shipped in. Blood Moon Akali. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2Tj719n.jpg) Very coolman, but... It's white. As the proud owner of a GW2 mousepad that's predominantly white I can tell you that will get grubby very quickly. It's still a great mousepad, it's just that it's now a grey mousepad.
Do you not have a bottle of hand sanitizer next to you? I always wash my hands before handling my precious (computer, obviously, you dirty minded fools).
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On May 02 2013 14:26 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 14:18 Ketara wrote:On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong. Are you serious? Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields. If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too. The extra stat for luxes shield is it shields twice in a massive AOE.....so yeah
Yeah, and it's real good. But the values are really not huge in comparison to other champions shields.
If any shields have ridiculous values it's a Karma mantra'd shield, but that's being buffed by her ult and probably should be a little ridic.
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On May 02 2013 14:32 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 14:26 sob3k wrote:On May 02 2013 14:18 Ketara wrote:On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong. Are you serious? Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields. If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too. The extra stat for luxes shield is it shields twice in a massive AOE.....so yeah Yeah, and it's real good. But the values are really not huge in comparison to other champions shields. If any shields have ridiculous values it's a Karma mantra'd shield, but that's being buffed by her ult and probably should be a little ridic.
Twice as big isn't huge?
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I'm convinced that every hero I main/start learning as a main gets the nerf hammer up its bunghole.
Irelia, Ree Singa, Riven, Akali, now TF. Fck.
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On May 02 2013 14:38 Mondeezy wrote:
I'm convinced that every hero I main/start learning as a main gets the nerf hammer up its bunghole.
Irelia, Ree Singa, Riven, Akali, now TF. Fck.
Just means you play FotM, why are you surprised?
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On May 02 2013 14:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 14:38 Mondeezy wrote:
I'm convinced that every hero I main/start learning as a main gets the nerf hammer up its bunghole.
Irelia, Ree Singa, Riven, Akali, now TF. Fck. Just means you play FotM, why are you surprised?
Because I played FoTM because I liked the champs before they became FoTM 
Now I sound like a wanna-be hipster, damnit.
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On May 02 2013 14:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 14:38 Mondeezy wrote:
I'm convinced that every hero I main/start learning as a main gets the nerf hammer up its bunghole.
Irelia, Ree Singa, Riven, Akali, now TF. Fck. Just means you play FotM, why are you surprised?
My personal theory is that Morello gets beat by elo boosters and smurfs at his Silver V level and decides to nerf them (they're all heroes that get exponentially better with skill and are one of the few heroes able to outplay.
See also Ezreal
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On May 02 2013 14:18 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 14:05 Eppa! wrote:
The base values for her shield (especially level 1) is waaay to strong. Are you serious? Orianna shield lvl1: 80+0.4 shield, +10 Armor, +10 MR, also deals damage, 9 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds Lulu shield lvl1: 60+0.6 shield, boosts AA damage, 10 sec cd, lasts 6 seconds Janna shield lvl1: 80+0.9 shield, +14 AD, 10 sec cd, lasts 5 seconds Karma shield lvl1: 80+0.5 shield, +50 movespeed, 10 sec cd, lasts 4 seconds Lux shield lvl1: 80+0.35 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds Lux pbe shield lvl1: 50+0.25 shield, 14 sec cd, lasts 3 seconds I mean yeah, Lux's shield is amazing and a huge part of her teamfight, but for being the longest cooldown shield of the group, the only one that's also a skillshot, and the only one that doesn't give you other stats, I don't see those values as being "way too strong" in comparison to the other shields. If you build 700 AP on Janna or Karma or Lulu or Orianna their shields shield for a ton too.
You're so biased it isn't even funny man.
She gets double the shield strength so even with those nerfs the base value is still higher than anyone else's you just listed. Her scaling is worse which is fine imo.
Edit: lol I see others beat me to it. At least consider what her old base values were like compared to everyone else. She gets an automatic 160+0.7 shield on herself (if she's taken damage) and the same on anyone she hits with her skillshot. Base. At level 1. Of all the nerfs that might be coming, Lux's I am least sad about.
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So basically Riot decided to half ZAC's R damage. Oh wow.
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TF got gutted pretty hard, but IMO it's fair because currently he is too broken.
Lux shield nerf is also fair; so is Diana shield nerf.
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Eh. Those unconfirmed changes on PBE had better be false cause some of those nerfs are just ridiculous.
Nunu Q nerf is kinda meh
Diana shield nerf is a huge overreaction. Maybe it needs nerfing but not on that scale.
Elise ult getting the Nid ult treatment; she'll still be solid if this goes through tho.
Galio nerf super random and unwarranted
Lux nerf: I'm all for nerfing her shield as it's a stupid fuckign skill, but this seems a bit overboard
MF nerf: k
Nami buff
Rumble change: i guess it's ok
Shyvana change: really random nerf unless the "cinder" buff is really strong
TF nerf: pretty good i guess
Zac nerf: Zac probably needed nerfs but I feel it's wayyy too early to start nerfing him this hard.
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On May 02 2013 14:14 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 14:09 Cheap0 wrote:On May 02 2013 14:03 iCanada wrote:
What the fuck...
They nerfed Shyvana. That E change guts her dueling quite a bit. And I dont uinderstand why they make her R only move one person now too. Like... Wut?
Why? Honestly, that R change seems like a buff when you consider how inconsistent it is normally at actually moving its target. Also, that E change is still kind of up in the air. It got a damage nerf and lost the armor shred, but now it marks the target " with cinders". We don't really know what that means yet. I dunno, their general philosophy with tooltips has always been change to show more/make more accurate. Changing armor shred to cinders just seems... like they removing onhit effect entirely. Look at half the changes in the patch, they all making tooltip more precise/accurate/easy to understand. The big reason I dont like the change is it hurts Top Shyv a lot, which is what I think Shyvana is better suited for. Means they want to have Shy jungle, which she just not suited for at a competitive level.
When discussing it, Scarizard said that her clears were getting "tangentially buffed", so I'm assuming cinders does actually have some sort of meaning. Besides, I can't imagine them actually nerfing Shyvana that hard in the current, struggling state she's already in.
http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/93938-morello-shyvana-players-are-dying-to-know-riot-has-any-plans-for-her
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Nunu consume change is ridonkulous too
Gains a bonus based on what type of monster he ate -- wut
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An I the only one who seems to think they nerf far more than they buff and it is a bad thing for the game?
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