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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 02 2013 01:27 GMT
#701
On May 02 2013 10:18 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 10:00 MooMooMugi wrote:
Omg anyone else think Nunu's new icon is hideous?!!?

Splash art is cool, icon not so much.


it brings a new meaning to child rapist, soviet russia, etc.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
May 02 2013 01:36 GMT
#702
On May 02 2013 10:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 10:18 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 02 2013 10:00 MooMooMugi wrote:
Omg anyone else think Nunu's new icon is hideous?!!?

Splash art is cool, icon not so much.


it brings a new meaning to child rapist, soviet russia, etc.

I think it's hilarious.
fasdaf
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
138 Posts
May 02 2013 01:37 GMT
#703
On May 02 2013 09:21 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 09:08 zodde wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:30 nafta wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:26 upperbound wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:08 sob3k wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:05 GettingIt wrote:
I just started getting +4 and +5 pts for wins in GOLD I. How long until I actually get some decent points for wins? Or am I just going to have to win 20 straight games to get to a promo?


I vote this is a new banned topic.

No one's really gotten to the bottom of it yet and there probably is a good reason, so I don't see why it should be banned just yet. It's not confined to people near the top of their division.

Does it matter much? No. But it isn't derailing the thread for pages and pages like "what is a tank."


This happens because your mmr is a lot lower than your current league.It doesn't matter at all where in a league you are.The only reason you get lower when you are closer to a promotion is that the expected mmr gets higher.

Captain obvious out.

No, this is wrong. When you approach a promotion from a division 1 to another league for the first time, the system ARTIFICIALLY CAPS YOUR LP GAINS regardless of your MMR. The trick is to lose one game then win the very next after getting really close. I was at 70~ and gained 12 6 4 3 3 to put me at 98 then lost one for -21 to put me down to 77 then won one and it instantly put me into a promo series. Before that I was gaining +30~ a win and now that I'm in plat 5 I'm getting about +24 a win.

It's a super stupid artificial cap that only happens at the 1st division of your league promo approach.


Yeah, had the same thing in gold 1. Freaked out when I won 1-2 points per game, then lost 16, but after that loss, I got straight into promotion. Riot put that cap in to make sure people don't get into a higher league because of a fluke streak, then just lose games and stay close to 0 LP in the lowest division. The system is strange, but just keep playing (and winning ) and you'll get your promotion eventually.


Riot's MMR calculation probably has 'momentum' style variables in it that don't play nice with big win streaks(especially coming up on promotion from a league), and once you lose it 'sets' your MMR at a nice place that gets you your big LP jump to promo series. WC3 Ladder system comes to mind. I'm almost positive it isn't just a background Elo system(even their old system had MMR behind the Elo).

I'm almost positive it IS just a background Elo system. The old system was in fact just Elo, and Riot has in the past described it as a modified version of the Elo system (see http://na.leagueoflegends.com/learn/gameplay/matchmaking for their description; it's a bit old but still relevant).
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
May 02 2013 01:39 GMT
#704
On May 02 2013 10:00 MooMooMugi wrote:
Omg anyone else think Nunu's new icon is hideous?!!?


Yes. Absolutely horrible.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 02 2013 01:40 GMT
#705
I got a penta as Yi on ARAM, lol.


R -> QQQQQ -> penta gg
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 01:51:10
May 02 2013 01:48 GMT
#706
On May 02 2013 10:27 Dark_Chill wrote:But will that BT actually do much in an actual fight? I can see it working wonders during clean up, but in a big fight I'd think that life steal is moot when you're dead the second they get on you (and with vayne's short range, it's even worse). Seems to me that you'd want to deal as much damage as possible while your cooldowns aren't yet all down, and IE would be best for that.

The issue is IE is also grossly expensive for a Vayne (when she could instead get a BT+Zeal, or BotRK+Zeal), if she also picks up a Vamp. It's 2400g vs 3800g, basically, and 1400 gold can go into a Zeal+half of a dagger, which is way more damage (and sustain) than IE (you're going to be picking up a vamp as Vayne basically every time).

IE means you're investing in the late game: IE first doesn't pay off until you've finished IE/PD/LW, where you have the highest 3-item DPS. Before that? BT is more effective; finishing BT first allows Vayne to start investing with AS, which she scales on quite well.

Plus, BT also helps with AD ratios (Vayne Q, and her E).

Also, posted the Fiora spreadsheet of AD vs ArPen runes+W vs Q skill order here. Also includes a gigantic AD vs ArPen rune comparison (vanilla, with brut, with LW, and with both; if you want to admire the pretty colors, you're prob gonna need to download it).
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 01:54:44
May 02 2013 01:51 GMT
#707
^ Having AD quints + Apen marks would be far more useful than full Apen


Rengar towerpushing is seriously unmatched.

This game we had a dragon fight and I was toplane so I decided to push. Pushed up to their inhibitor before people came. Every time I got up to turret I just QQit and then a third Q when the tower's at low hp. Takes like 7 seconds even really early in the game(like 2-3 seconds later on). His waveclear isn't the greatest I guess as I don't max W early but just spamming QQ on minions as well makes you kill them extremely quickly. Killed 6 turrets and 2 inhibitors this game and I'm pretty sure we'd have lost otherwise.

Rengar also doesn't lose 1v1, for example he totally shits on Zed. He also has decent mobility if needed, while not global, with his ult(and youmuu's ghostblade grr)

On May 02 2013 10:39 Amarok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 10:00 MooMooMugi wrote:
Omg anyone else think Nunu's new icon is hideous?!!?


Yes. Absolutely horrible.

I was thinking it was some new trollface champion but then realized it's nunu and yeah it's atrocious.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 02 2013 01:54 GMT
#708
On May 02 2013 10:37 fasdaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 09:21 red_ wrote:
On May 02 2013 09:08 zodde wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:30 nafta wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:26 upperbound wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:08 sob3k wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:05 GettingIt wrote:
I just started getting +4 and +5 pts for wins in GOLD I. How long until I actually get some decent points for wins? Or am I just going to have to win 20 straight games to get to a promo?


I vote this is a new banned topic.

No one's really gotten to the bottom of it yet and there probably is a good reason, so I don't see why it should be banned just yet. It's not confined to people near the top of their division.

Does it matter much? No. But it isn't derailing the thread for pages and pages like "what is a tank."


This happens because your mmr is a lot lower than your current league.It doesn't matter at all where in a league you are.The only reason you get lower when you are closer to a promotion is that the expected mmr gets higher.

Captain obvious out.

No, this is wrong. When you approach a promotion from a division 1 to another league for the first time, the system ARTIFICIALLY CAPS YOUR LP GAINS regardless of your MMR. The trick is to lose one game then win the very next after getting really close. I was at 70~ and gained 12 6 4 3 3 to put me at 98 then lost one for -21 to put me down to 77 then won one and it instantly put me into a promo series. Before that I was gaining +30~ a win and now that I'm in plat 5 I'm getting about +24 a win.

It's a super stupid artificial cap that only happens at the 1st division of your league promo approach.


Yeah, had the same thing in gold 1. Freaked out when I won 1-2 points per game, then lost 16, but after that loss, I got straight into promotion. Riot put that cap in to make sure people don't get into a higher league because of a fluke streak, then just lose games and stay close to 0 LP in the lowest division. The system is strange, but just keep playing (and winning ) and you'll get your promotion eventually.


Riot's MMR calculation probably has 'momentum' style variables in it that don't play nice with big win streaks(especially coming up on promotion from a league), and once you lose it 'sets' your MMR at a nice place that gets you your big LP jump to promo series. WC3 Ladder system comes to mind. I'm almost positive it isn't just a background Elo system(even their old system had MMR behind the Elo).

I'm almost positive it IS just a background Elo system. The old system was in fact just Elo, and Riot has in the past described it as a modified version of the Elo system (see http://na.leagueoflegends.com/learn/gameplay/matchmaking for their description; it's a bit old but still relevant).


A modified Elo system isn't just an Elo system though. For example, they could have added something that makes win/loss streaks be handled differently, while still using the basics of an Elo system.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
May 02 2013 02:07 GMT
#709
botrk is good for the % damage damage on vayne too... she does a bunch of % damage that way. i've been going bt zeal and botrk for items recently on vayne
BW -> League -> CSGO
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 02:21:13
May 02 2013 02:09 GMT
#710
On May 02 2013 10:51 Shikyo wrote:
^ Having AD quints + Apen marks would be far more useful than full Apen


Rengar towerpushing is seriously unmatched.

This game we had a dragon fight and I was toplane so I decided to push. Pushed up to their inhibitor before people came. Every time I got up to turret I just QQit and then a third Q when the tower's at low hp. Takes like 7 seconds even really early in the game(like 2-3 seconds later on). His waveclear isn't the greatest I guess as I don't max W early but just spamming QQ on minions as well makes you kill them extremely quickly. Killed 6 turrets and 2 inhibitors this game and I'm pretty sure we'd have lost otherwise.

Rengar also doesn't lose 1v1, for example he totally shits on Zed. He also has decent mobility if needed, while not global, with his ult(and youmuu's ghostblade grr)

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 10:39 Amarok wrote:
On May 02 2013 10:00 MooMooMugi wrote:
Omg anyone else think Nunu's new icon is hideous?!!?


Yes. Absolutely horrible.

I was thinking it was some new trollface champion but then realized it's nunu and yeah it's atrocious.

I think Yi and Sion down towers faster. Rengar's Q is 150% attack speed but is only up for 4 seconds and then it's 50% every 6 seconds after that. Yi can have his ult up the entire time he's attacking the tower for more attack speed overall and he gets E bonus damage. Sion gets +50% attack speed and a lot of damage on E too. If he's killing a tower in 6 seconds then his Q only gives him like 4 extra attacks. I don't even know if Q even applies bonus damage as most autoattack enhancers do not hit towers for bonus damage.

Also Rengar's ult is not the best dueling ability since it doesn't make him tankier or do any damage directly. You can get away and use ult for your next empowered ability but if you're running from a duel you've probably lost it and an Empowered Q is not as strong as say Irelia's ult.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 02:21:54
May 02 2013 02:18 GMT
#711
On May 02 2013 10:51 Shikyo wrote:
^ Having AD quints + Apen marks would be far more useful than full Apen

Having AD quints+ArPen marks is better the first 5 levels (a total of ~7 more damage with 3 AAs and 2 Qs,at level 2), assuming nothing but a Dorans.

After that, full ArPen outscales it pretty heavily, and additional AD items on top of it (and ignite CD passive) skew it further.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 02 2013 02:23 GMT
#712
I'm laughing so hard right now...

I'm in the NA goes to Shanghai video

Not saying where though.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 02 2013 02:25 GMT
#713
I've been playing Rengar a bit and yeah his splitpushing/tower killing is so good. auto attack, ferocity q + q is like, 25% of a towers hp.
Retvrn to Forvms
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 02 2013 02:26 GMT
#714
YEAHHHHH. Mousepad just shipped in.
Blood Moon Akali. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[image loading]
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 02:29:03
May 02 2013 02:28 GMT
#715
On May 02 2013 11:26 wei2coolman wrote:
YEAHHHHH. Mousepad just shipped in.
Blood Moon Akali. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
*snip*

That is one hype mousepad. :0
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 02 2013 02:30 GMT
#716
Looks very cool, 2cool even.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
May 02 2013 02:34 GMT
#717
On May 02 2013 11:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Looks very cool, 2cool even.

Honestly man, it looks way too cool.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 02 2013 02:37 GMT
#718
Where did you find that glorious object
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 02 2013 02:42 GMT
#719
On May 02 2013 11:26 wei2coolman wrote:
YEAHHHHH. Mousepad just shipped in.
Blood Moon Akali. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[image loading]


My Victorious Janna pad is way better.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 02 2013 02:46 GMT
#720
I tried getting a custom Viktor phone cover, but they wouldn't print it because of copyright infringement or something
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