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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
May 02 2013 00:05 GMT
#681
Shouldn't we have a best riven NA thread? It's one of the first tournaments that I'm actually excited for.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 02 2013 00:06 GMT
#682
I've got over 2k wins normal and probably about 1k ranked/smurf combined

I only lose about 40% of the time so multiply that by .4 and I'm probably coming up on about 5k games total

Even if each game is only half an hour then that's still 2.5k hours of LoL played

I also used to be in a scbw clan called NO PRIDE NO LIFE

npnl HWAITING
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 02 2013 00:08 GMT
#683
On May 02 2013 08:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 08:30 nafta wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:26 upperbound wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:08 sob3k wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:05 GettingIt wrote:
I just started getting +4 and +5 pts for wins in GOLD I. How long until I actually get some decent points for wins? Or am I just going to have to win 20 straight games to get to a promo?


I vote this is a new banned topic.

No one's really gotten to the bottom of it yet and there probably is a good reason, so I don't see why it should be banned just yet. It's not confined to people near the top of their division.

Does it matter much? No. But it isn't derailing the thread for pages and pages like "what is a tank."


This happens because your mmr is a lot lower than your current league.It doesn't matter at all where in a league you are.The only reason you get lower when you are closer to a promotion is that the expected mmr gets higher.

Captain obvious out.

No, this is wrong. When you approach a promotion from a division 1 to another league for the first time, the system ARTIFICIALLY CAPS YOUR LP GAINS regardless of your MMR. The trick is to lose one game then win the very next after getting really close. I was at 70~ and gained 12 6 4 3 3 to put me at 98 then lost one for -21 to put me down to 77 then won one and it instantly put me into a promo series. Before that I was gaining +30~ a win and now that I'm in plat 5 I'm getting about +24 a win.

It's a super stupid artificial cap that only happens at the 1st division of your league promo approach.


Yeah, had the same thing in gold 1. Freaked out when I won 1-2 points per game, then lost 16, but after that loss, I got straight into promotion. Riot put that cap in to make sure people don't get into a higher league because of a fluke streak, then just lose games and stay close to 0 LP in the lowest division. The system is strange, but just keep playing (and winning ) and you'll get your promotion eventually.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 02 2013 00:09 GMT
#684
On May 02 2013 09:05 OutlaW- wrote:
Shouldn't we have a best riven NA thread? It's one of the first tournaments that I'm actually excited for.


Take charge. Go make a thread. np
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 00:21:06
May 02 2013 00:18 GMT
#685
not gonna lie, i think soraka might be hipster op.

varus + soraka is stupid, the cc on varus makes up for the weakness of the sivir/raka lane. you can go like wqewqr and play a tanky soraka where you just run in, bait the enemy team into fighting you, heal yourself and then murder them with q spam/shred and blight.

all you need is chalice + ss and you're pretty much good to go.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 02 2013 00:21 GMT
#686
On May 02 2013 09:08 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 08:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:30 nafta wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:26 upperbound wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:08 sob3k wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:05 GettingIt wrote:
I just started getting +4 and +5 pts for wins in GOLD I. How long until I actually get some decent points for wins? Or am I just going to have to win 20 straight games to get to a promo?


I vote this is a new banned topic.

No one's really gotten to the bottom of it yet and there probably is a good reason, so I don't see why it should be banned just yet. It's not confined to people near the top of their division.

Does it matter much? No. But it isn't derailing the thread for pages and pages like "what is a tank."


This happens because your mmr is a lot lower than your current league.It doesn't matter at all where in a league you are.The only reason you get lower when you are closer to a promotion is that the expected mmr gets higher.

Captain obvious out.

No, this is wrong. When you approach a promotion from a division 1 to another league for the first time, the system ARTIFICIALLY CAPS YOUR LP GAINS regardless of your MMR. The trick is to lose one game then win the very next after getting really close. I was at 70~ and gained 12 6 4 3 3 to put me at 98 then lost one for -21 to put me down to 77 then won one and it instantly put me into a promo series. Before that I was gaining +30~ a win and now that I'm in plat 5 I'm getting about +24 a win.

It's a super stupid artificial cap that only happens at the 1st division of your league promo approach.


Yeah, had the same thing in gold 1. Freaked out when I won 1-2 points per game, then lost 16, but after that loss, I got straight into promotion. Riot put that cap in to make sure people don't get into a higher league because of a fluke streak, then just lose games and stay close to 0 LP in the lowest division. The system is strange, but just keep playing (and winning ) and you'll get your promotion eventually.


Riot's MMR calculation probably has 'momentum' style variables in it that don't play nice with big win streaks(especially coming up on promotion from a league), and once you lose it 'sets' your MMR at a nice place that gets you your big LP jump to promo series. WC3 Ladder system comes to mind. I'm almost positive it isn't just a background Elo system(even their old system had MMR behind the Elo).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 00:44:48
May 02 2013 00:38 GMT
#687
On May 02 2013 09:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
not gonna lie, i think soraka might be hipster op.

varus + soraka is stupid, the cc on varus makes up for the weakness of the sivir/raka lane. you can go like wqewqr and play a tanky soraka where you just run in, bait the enemy team into fighting you, heal yourself and then murder them with q spam/shred and blight.

all you need is chalice + ss and you're pretty much good to go.


Soraka + blue build ez has some merits as well, if you don't die first few levels, ez can just spam spells nonstop, with endless mana and great sustain from soraka. Not gonna call it op or anything, but it could be strong.

@_red: Maybe, but I had a friend who went from gold 3 to plat promotion series without a loss, and his LP gain never even slowed down. He just went like 42->60->80->promo series in gold 1, which is nothing like the experiences I have had in gold 1.

Would be nice if Riot just explained exactly how the system works. Maybe it would be too easy to abuse, but right now it's just kinda confusing. Or maybe I should just play the game and stop thinking so much, iono.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 02 2013 00:45 GMT
#688
My first champion was Gangplank. I was like 80% with him.

I miss him.

r.i,p
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
May 02 2013 00:49 GMT
#689
On May 02 2013 09:45 Fionn wrote:
My first champion was Gangplank. I was like 80% with him.

I miss him.

r.i,p

He's still viable in terms of soloq
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 02 2013 00:50 GMT
#690
On May 02 2013 09:45 Fionn wrote:
My first champion was Gangplank. I was like 80% with him.

I miss him.

r.i,p

you can still play him

he's still alive
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
May 02 2013 00:57 GMT
#691
Has there been any consensus reached in the BotRK vs BT on Vayne? I never know which one to get, and can't adequately decide just from my anecdotal evidence. Both sides have their advantages..
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 02 2013 01:00 GMT
#692
Omg anyone else think Nunu's new icon is hideous?!!?
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
May 02 2013 01:03 GMT
#693
On May 02 2013 09:57 OutlaW- wrote:
Has there been any consensus reached in the BotRK vs BT on Vayne? I never know which one to get, and can't adequately decide just from my anecdotal evidence. Both sides have their advantages..


BoRK is only good for the active, so get it when someone's going to be diving you and Tumble and Condemn won't be enough.

Otherwise, Statikk Shiv or IE is where it's at. What's the appeal of BT?
I am the Town Medic.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 02 2013 01:05 GMT
#694
On May 02 2013 09:49 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 09:45 Fionn wrote:
My first champion was Gangplank. I was like 80% with him.

I miss him.

r.i,p

He's still viable in terms of soloq


he good at 2v1 tops too.

OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
May 02 2013 01:05 GMT
#695
Vayne is too squishy for just 6% and 2 dorans IMO. It's not like Caitlyn. And if you're getting that Vamp Scepter for 800 gold, you might as well spend just 2400 for the BT instead of 3900 for the IE. (the damage is very close until you get more crit).
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 01:15:47
May 02 2013 01:15 GMT
#696
Why do all the players I spectate/watch on stream get AD runes over ArPen runes on Fiora? Whyyyyy. AD runes gimp her damage, unless it's level 1 and you started Q (you lose damage vs ArPen page starting level 2). <_> At basically every other point in the game, ArPen is better (unless you need the AD to last hit, but wtf you have a free fort pot in damage for a W for last hitting).

...I'm just going to post a spreadsheet of the difference in starts/build paths in the TL thread.

On May 02 2013 09:57 OutlaW- wrote:
Has there been any consensus reached in the BotRK vs BT on Vayne? I never know which one to get, and can't adequately decide just from my anecdotal evidence. Both sides have their advantages..

BotRK is better versus a tanky frontline (likely health stacking? Yes), and the active is a very nice bit of kiting and small burst sustain. BT is generally better against squishier teams.

Beyond that, it depends. BotRK is better for 1-item damage then BT, and also slightly better if you're behind (given stacking on BT). BT is better if you're ahead, and a BF sword isa major lane item buy (greater then Cutlass).

On May 02 2013 10:03 Alzadar wrote:
Otherwise, Statikk Shiv or IE is where it's at. What's the appeal of BT?

Vayne can't survive if she goes IE/SS/PD first, unless the enemy team is seriously improperly built. Comparatively short range means she needs the sustain to bolster her survivability compared to Ashe, Cait, Twitch, Kog, and Trist, whose longer ranges mean they can go the IE/PD/LW given their greater safety. Vayne ain't safe.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 02 2013 01:16 GMT
#697
Oh man, the whole calling mid joke in ARAM is never going to get old.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 02 2013 01:18 GMT
#698
On May 02 2013 10:00 MooMooMugi wrote:
Omg anyone else think Nunu's new icon is hideous?!!?

Splash art is cool, icon not so much.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 02 2013 01:24 GMT
#699
I made a Quinn mid guide if anybody wants to try it out: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410637
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
May 02 2013 01:27 GMT
#700
On May 02 2013 10:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Why do all the players I spectate/watch on stream get AD runes over ArPen runes on Fiora? Whyyyyy. AD runes gimp her damage, unless it's level 1 and you started Q (you lose damage vs ArPen page starting level 2). <_> At basically every other point in the game, ArPen is better (unless you need the AD to last hit, but wtf you have a free fort pot in damage for a W for last hitting).

...I'm just going to post a spreadsheet of the difference in starts/build paths in the TL thread.

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 09:57 OutlaW- wrote:
Has there been any consensus reached in the BotRK vs BT on Vayne? I never know which one to get, and can't adequately decide just from my anecdotal evidence. Both sides have their advantages..

BotRK is better versus a tanky frontline (likely health stacking? Yes), and the active is a very nice bit of kiting and small burst sustain. BT is generally better against squishier teams.

Beyond that, it depends. BotRK is better for 1-item damage then BT, and also slightly better if you're behind (given stacking on BT). BT is better if you're ahead, and a BF sword isa major lane item buy (greater then Cutlass).

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 10:03 Alzadar wrote:
Otherwise, Statikk Shiv or IE is where it's at. What's the appeal of BT?

Vayne can't survive if she goes IE/SS/PD first, unless the enemy team is seriously improperly built. Comparatively short range means she needs the sustain to bolster her survivability compared to Ashe, Cait, Twitch, Kog, and Trist, whose longer ranges mean they can go the IE/PD/LW given their greater safety. Vayne ain't safe.

But will that BT actually do much in an actual fight? I can see it working wonders during clean up, but in a big fight I'd think that life steal is moot when you're dead the second they get on you (and with vayne's short range, it's even worse). Seems to me that you'd want to deal as much damage as possible while your cooldowns aren't yet all down, and IE would be best for that.
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