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On April 15 2013 09:04 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 08:52 sob3k wrote:holy balls, post-buff karma, the mantras ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sIiC9le.png) I don't know what to do with them all! That picture is pretty amazing. Also in regards to Elementz, the first half of the LCS he was playing much better than usual. In the past couple weeks though he's certainly been slumping pretty hard.
If we're talking about slumping, don't forget Doublelift. He hasn't been performing well at all.
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Yeah Doublelift isn't doing as good as he says he is at the moment, hopefully he steps it up before the all-star game.
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On April 15 2013 11:20 eParadox wrote:
Yeah Doublelift isn't doing as good as he says he is at the moment, hopefully he steps it up before the all-star game.
In his defense he's admitted to slumping recently, still thinks he's the best though. Biggest ego NA.
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IMO its more that people caught onto the "stall until Dlift can carry use" strategy, and now when Dlift goes to "afkfarm" it turns out to be a trap and the entire enemy team just shows up and kills him.
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Doublelift slump more similar to EG slump. Everyone's pretty much figured out if you kill DL, you win.
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Wow post-CLG/Crs scrims from DLift's stream is just rofl. Chauster/DLift just screaming at each other over the stupidest shit, while Hotshot/Aphroo do nothing and Link gets ignored.
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People should stop creating a magical distinction between solo queue and competitive play. The majority of the best players on the LCS teams are ... the top solo queue players or they were in the past. Look at a new team like Quantic, their entire roster is composed of challenger players who basically always perform well in solo queue. If they were inserted into the LCS right now they would be better than the bottom 4 teams at the least and probably better than CLG. Given enough time, I would rate them as the next big NA team to watch. They show that taking any 5 challenger players who are proficient in their roles and smushing them together would create a pretty decent competitive team, provided they are decent human beings and have good communication skills. Would XJ9 be a good LCS player? If he ever overcomes his social retardation; yes.
The best LCS players not in challenger would have no problem getting it provided they play their best roles/champs. Saint is currently out of it... does that mean he is a worse jungler than Ninjaken or billowedporpoise? No, it means that he routinely mixes in troll shit like jungle huekaiser or fizz or other assorted randoms.
Beyond their champion selection, pros also obviously treat solo queue with a different attitude, the most prominent attribute being that people are always set on battle mode against their better judgment. This is not a bad thing because it makes the game more fun. If Voyboy didn't cater to his viewers and always go for the flashy big play, he would be an unstoppable machine permanently affixed to the top of the ladder.
This is not to say that solo queue completely translates over to competitive play. Coordination, communication, and the ability to understand exactly what your teammate will be doing at every point in time are very important tools for winning tournaments. However, 5 deaf-mute random D1/challenger players playing with chat disabled will still have a very high win rate vs a team of 5 lower tier players who are mind-linked together with future tech so that they are a conglomerate single sentient being. Individual skills like mechanics, general game sense, understanding of champions, reaction time, and the ability to visualize plays before they happen will trump out.
In short, is solo queue important? For the established players. not at all. For the amateur players, absolutely.
Related note: Unless Elementz is a golden god of communication and shot-calling I can't imagine Curse would be worse off with a myriad of other supports.
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Wait, are you saying that CLG, and the bottom 4 LCS teams aren't made of players at the top of the ladder?
Otherwise I'm not sure how you went from "This team of 5 challenger players is better than the bottom 4 LCS and CLG"
You do know Quantic lost in last qualification tournament to MRN, and have lost every scrim I've watched against Curse, who trolls in their scrims. They're good, maybe even LCS good, but I don't think they're top 4 LCS material yet.
Am I just misunderstanding your post?
But I agree that being high in Solo queue should be your first priority if you want to have a competitive team...
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On April 15 2013 12:37 Capriccioso wrote:
However, 5 deaf-mute random D1/challenger players playing with chat disabled will still have a very high win rate vs a team of 5 lower tier players who are mind-linked together with future tech so that they are a conglomerate single sentient being. Individual skills like mechanics, general game sense, understanding of champions, reaction time, and the ability to visualize plays before they happen will trump out.
In short, is solo queue important? For the established players. not at all. For the amateur players, absolutely.
Related note: Unless Elementz is a golden god of communication and shot-calling I can't imagine Curse would be worse off with a myriad of other supports.
That post goes against pretty much what every professional player or competitive TLer has said. WildTurtle was a soloq god if you paid attention to streamed soloq but he's said in interviews that in arranged play he mostly has 0 clue what he needs to do.
Ranked 5s is infinitely superior to ranked soloq in terms of developing an amateur competitive scene. Beyond basic mechanics, the skills involved in winning games are pretty different.
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On April 15 2013 13:08 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 12:37 Capriccioso wrote:
However, 5 deaf-mute random D1/challenger players playing with chat disabled will still have a very high win rate vs a team of 5 lower tier players who are mind-linked together with future tech so that they are a conglomerate single sentient being. Individual skills like mechanics, general game sense, understanding of champions, reaction time, and the ability to visualize plays before they happen will trump out.
In short, is solo queue important? For the established players. not at all. For the amateur players, absolutely.
Related note: Unless Elementz is a golden god of communication and shot-calling I can't imagine Curse would be worse off with a myriad of other supports. That post goes against pretty much what every professional player or competitive TLer has said. WildTurtle was a soloq god if you paid attention to streamed soloq but he's said in interviews that in arranged play he mostly has 0 clue what he needs to do. Ranked 5s is infinitely superior to ranked soloq in terms of developing an amateur competitive scene. Beyond basic mechanics, the skills involved in winning games are pretty different.
I think you should be at least diamond before going into Ranked 5s if you want to be top tier. A lot of people really underestimate mechanics.
Honestly those teams of Golds/Silvers that beat Diamond teams, would probably be diamond/plat solo queue players if they played solo queue. Ranked 5s gives you mechanics practice too. It's just much easier to mass Solo than it is 5s for most people.
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On April 15 2013 11:23 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 11:20 eParadox wrote:
Yeah Doublelift isn't doing as good as he says he is at the moment, hopefully he steps it up before the all-star game. In his defense he's admitted to slumping recently, still thinks he's the best though. Biggest ego NA.
So if he's currently not #1 ADC in NA. Who do you guys think it is? Personally, and back it up with facts or recent achievements.
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Well on the bright side Aphro is improving very quickly 
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On April 15 2013 14:09 LateralusGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 11:23 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 15 2013 11:20 eParadox wrote:
Yeah Doublelift isn't doing as good as he says he is at the moment, hopefully he steps it up before the all-star game. In his defense he's admitted to slumping recently, still thinks he's the best though. Biggest ego NA. So if he's currently not #1 ADC in NA. Who do you guys think it is? Personally, and back it up with facts or recent achievements.
I could see someone making an argument for qtpie, but doublelift is still number one despite him not playing at his best.
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What is the exact date for the All-Star match?
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On April 15 2013 14:09 LateralusGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 11:23 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 15 2013 11:20 eParadox wrote:
Yeah Doublelift isn't doing as good as he says he is at the moment, hopefully he steps it up before the all-star game. In his defense he's admitted to slumping recently, still thinks he's the best though. Biggest ego NA. So if he's currently not #1 ADC in NA. Who do you guys think it is? Personally, and back it up with facts or recent achievements.
Oh god...uhm. Qtpie? I think Cop is hampered by Elementz in lane and overconcerned about his KDA. I want to say Turtle(baylife), he's done solid in lane and carried hard a few times but the sample size is so small.
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The fact that Doublelift is slumping and no one can come up with a very good answer for a better ADC should be a pretty clear indicator that he's easily the best ADC in NA.
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On April 15 2013 14:32 overt wrote:
The fact that Doublelift is slumping and no one can come up with a very good answer for a better ADC should be a pretty clear indicator that he's easily the best ADC in NA.
Like I said, I think it's Turtle, just too soon to tell and he's got a lot to learn and adjust to.
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So I was watching a Korean film called Oki's Movie and there was a scene where one of the main characters said something like, all men do are talk about girls, brag about themselves and talk shit about others. I feel like the latter two apply perfectly to league players. Never have I had a conversation with any acquaintance on league that did not fall under those two categories. In fact pretty much all of my interaction on league boils down to, talk strat which I almost always initiate, listen to others brag about themselves while I get secretly annoyed, this happens the most by far; and finally talk shit about other people which I often participate in too but with occasional guilt.
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Avoid talking with guys than and talk more with girls I guess:D
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lol, turtle better than doublelift? better check your NA privileges.
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